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39 minutes ago, kzb said:
Are they reducing their energy usage by being closed down though ?
I'm not sure this is in any of our recent FTAs nor the CPTPP either.
Like you say it will probably come but bilateral FTAs are up to ourselves to negotiate.
We may end up having our hands "forced" into updating FTAs (seeing as were signatories to the likes of the UNFCCC), which contain various carbon limits et. al.
You might find this interesting...
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/106642/html/
- As part of a development-sensitive approach to trade and climate change, the Government should:
- Develop an over-arching trade strategy that supports climate change and development objectives
- Take steps to address increased emissions resulting from FTAs
- Include climate and development concerns in FTA liberalisation offers and demands
- Ensure that provisions in FTAs do not restrict policy space to support domestic green industries, or impede technology transfer to developing countries
- Insist on strong and binding climate chapters in FTAs, including provisions on the elimination of fossil fuel subsidies
- Refuse to enter any new trade agreements, and renegotiate or exit all existing agreements, that include ISDS provisions
- Introduce a target for reducing the consumption emissions embedded in UK imports
- Develop any UK Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM) in consultation with developing countries, and include exemptions for these countries as appropriate
- Introduce a UK Business, Human Rights and Environment Act to tackle environmental abuses in UK supply chains
- Increase liberalisation of environmental goods and services through UK FTAs and plurilateral initiatives, including exemptions for developing countries as appropriate
- Increase technology transfer to, and climate finance for, developing countries
- Use plurilateral initiatives such as TESSD to push for the elimination of fossil fuels subsidies and increased technology transfer to developing countries
- Ensure that developing countries play a full role in any plurilateral discussions on climate-related trade rules
- Support a climate waiver at the WTO, and reform of multilateral trade rules to address climate issues
I didn't know that..
All FTAs will increase UK carbon emissions through increased production and transport of goods and services, given current technologies. For example, the UK-Australia FTA predicts an increase in carbon emissions of 31% to 40% in transport emissions.[6] This is in tension with the UK’s net zero goals and development objectives and must be addressed through concrete mitigation steps as the UK moves forward with future FTAs.
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2 hours ago, kzb said:
From what I can see the Dutch farming industry is being systematically destroyed. They're all rioting.
The question at the WEF / generic UN function, will be, well if the Dutch can manage to reduce water usage / energy usage by this amount, then why can’t everyone else? This will be fed back through the WTO and so on, and will end up being a staple in FTAs - more energy usage, higher tariffs / non tariff barriers.
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7 hours ago, kzb said:
I recall our friend telling us on here that food carbon emissions have little to do with travel distance. It's more important how it is grown or raised.
If you have produce coming from a heated CO2-enriched glasshouse in the Netherlands, grown hydroponically, its emissions could be far higher than something grown naturally on another continent.
The Dutch are already on it...
How the Dutch took the lead in food tech and sustainability - Marketplace
QuoteReiley: Yeah, so on average over the world is 28 gallons of water to produce a pound of tomatoes. In the Netherlands, it’s a half gallon, so none of that water is wasted. And the irony is that, you know, a generation ago, they had a terrible reputation. They were just these hard bullet balls that no one wanted to eat. And so they’ve really kind of changed their reputation. And not just on the vegetable side, but also on animal ag. So, chickens, beef pigs, they’re huge exporters, now the biggest European exporter, and a lot of those ribs come to kind of middling chain restaurants in the United States. So you’ve probably — I’m not going to name names, but you’ve probably eaten some of them unbeknownst to you.
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26 minutes ago, kzb said:
I recall our friend telling us on here that food carbon emissions have little to do with travel distance. It's more important how it is grown or raised.
If you have produce coming from a heated CO2-enriched glasshouse in the Netherlands, grown hydroponically, its emissions could be far higher than something grown naturally on another continent.
If anything the last three years have taught us, is to not put too much reliance on long distance trade routes - we did, and the world trade system nearly collapsed.
We need to be as food independent as possible, or if thats not totally possible, it needs to be as close as possible.
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1 hour ago, kzb said:
And yet our food prices are 7% below the EU average, and British households spend the lowest proportion of their income on food in the EU.
Just wait till we get those FTAs going properly (admittedly a long wait).
...and then a carbon tax will come in, which will end up littering most FTAs..
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59 minutes ago, kzb said:
Wonder why pick Somerset ? Don't we have enough industrial wastelands where they need jobs ?
Anyhow, the EU rules of origin applies to the chemicals in the batteries. Neither UK or Germany can make batteries within the rules of origin ! That is something I have read.
Its the old BAe munitions dump. Its right on the M5. Avonmouth is just up the road...
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33 minutes ago, kzb said:
They could well use it as an excuse that is true. After all everything must be due to Brexit.
Have you read the paper?
The Border Target Operating Model: Draft for Feedback (HTML) - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
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8 minutes ago, kzb said:
I'm not here to defend Boris !
Not that long ago I posted the actual transcript of a meeting with the Irish customs authority. They did not envisage a physical border. I keep being expected to re-post the same things time after time. That EU report I linked upthread, that is at least the third time I've posted it here.
I barely hang around here any more, because its the same old arguments (on both sides), over and over again... For me, the most important milestone is the beginning of November, for the first phase of physical checks come in for Dover et. al. being phased in over the next year. Food inflation especially, could well take off..
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5 hours ago, kzb said:
The Irish customs were also enthusiastically saying there was no need for a hard border, and presumably they would know about phytosanitary checks. That is, until the EU told them to keep out of it. So I think it would have been quite possible to do it, had the EU wanted to do it. Who is Richard North anyhow -an ex-local government officer who seems to think he is an expert on everything.
Got a link for that? Boris made the backstop the front stop, then promised that there would be no form, checks..etc.. Can a smart border put a probe up a cow's behind? Byproduct of leaving the single market, and its surveillance regime.. but then we still haven't had a proper Brexit yet...Stuff in UK ports are still currently being waved through... Little to no checks.. That's more of a concern to me..
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45 minutes ago, kzb said:
It's gone very quiet on this all of a sudden Bob ?
Do you think you'll send a message to
Lars KARLSSON, President of KGH Border Services; Former Director of World Customs Organization; Deputy Director General of Swedish Customs
to tell him he is stupid and a liar?
Smart Border 2.0 Avoiding a hard border on the island of Ireland for Customs control and the freemovement of persons
Abstract This study, commissioned by the European Parliament's Policy Department for Citizens' Rights and Constitutional Affairs at the request of the AFCO Committee, provides background on cross-border movement and trade between Northern Ireland and Ireland and identifies international standards and best practices and provide insights into creating a smooth border experience. The technical solution provided is based on innovative approaches with a focus on cooperation, best practices and technology that is independent of any political agreements on the and offers a template for future UK-EU border relationships.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2017/596828/IPOL_STU(2017)596828_EN.pdf
He has little to no knowledge of non-customs systems...
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The situation in Scotland, after they banned S21 a few years ago.
Scotland rental market warning as more landlords look to sell property | HeraldScotland
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7 minutes ago, kzb said:
Not a tariff free.
I'd forgotten to mention that we have in fact obtained some enhanced trading conditions with individual US states. I'm not sure what it all means, but it's something we didn't have in the EU.
EU has 72 agreements with the US...so its not a pure WTO relationship...
Search the Treaties and Agreements database - Consilium (europa.eu)
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2 minutes ago, kzb said:
You've got to bear in mind that exports to the EU were flat. They weren't increasing whereas exports to RoW were increasing. So we were in the ludicrous position of having trade barriers to our growth areas.
Our own trade deals also cover services, which the EU deals did not. Services are 80% of the UK economy and our service exports to RoW are growing.
Carbon taxation will be the next non-tariff barriers. The further the goods have to travel, the more expensive they will cost..
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35 minutes ago, AThirdWay said:
Get a grip!
Clearly agreement can be reached, haven't you read the headlines over the last week? We've had years to implement UK alternatives to EU legislation and what have we managed to get done?
"Nothing can ever be agreed".... Sheesh! 😳
...and it wont much...seeing as the "double coffin lid" comes into play. We repeal EU law, but are still signed up all the relevant law, as most of this law will consist of global regs - which underpin much of the FTA system. Of course there's the conversation to be had over the role of these global bodies, but unilaterally repealing this law will only end up with big gaps in our legislation, which would then lead to bad law when trying to cover these holes with patches.
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3 minutes ago, AThirdWay said:
What do you need to check for animal-borne pathogens then? Very difficult to check the cheese itself, tracking it via a system maintained and updated by vets seems to be the sensible option?
How would you do it?
I thought vets were used for live animals & cattle? What do they do with a lorry load of tuna for instance? I'd go down the food safety route, with practitioners who knew all about all the various food safety regs..
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Just now, AThirdWay said:
You do understand how cheese is made, yes? What the source material is and where it comes from... 😳
...and what will a vet do? Check its heartbeat? You dont need a vet to to this job. Just because the EU says it should be done this way, doesn't mean its always the right way...
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13 hours ago, Dweller said:
Like NOBODY knew this was going to happen!
Cheese ‘blockade’ warning amid plans to enforce vet checks on EU imports
Cold Chain Federation head calls for Government rethink on Brexit controls, warning of shortages, less consumer choice and higher prices
Why do you need a vet to sign off on Cheese?
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7 hours ago, FTB-house-hunter said:
It's interesting to think would would have been, if a handful of MP's on both sides of the trenches decided to compromise, instead of frothing at the mouth, stuck being brexiters/remainers. Ken Clarke's EFTA was what, 4 votes short of passing? How different things might have been!
The TCA is it. We aren't going back into the single market. The next interesting milestone will be the end of October, when SPS border controls start being introduced. I can see food inflation go to the moon...
The Border Target Operating Model: Draft for Feedback (HTML) - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
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9 hours ago, winkie said:
One thing for sure, getting rid of the 4000 EU laws we had a democratic impact into help making are to protect us the people and European people, work and health protections, human rights, our freedoms....to just take a swipe into removing the lot must mean some of them one or two maybe, the rich and wealthy capitalists far right types want to disolve to further enrich themselves.....no regulations for them.....plenty of new Brexit rules and regulations for us.....the plebs, why would they care about us?....
It you repeal at a whim, it may also collapse many, if not most of our FTAs...seeing as much of that legislation within EU law, consists of global rules, which is used to facilitate trade.
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A third pillar, which looks similar to the EEA, whilst not joining EFTA?
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6 minutes ago, winkie said:
Truss tried it, the markets don't like it and the people don't want it.
plus, under the TCA, we can't...well, we could, if we were happy to lose the zero tariff zero quota offer..
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30 minutes ago, pig said:
Well I half agree - there have been funny, almost live instances of ministers going out to defend things the government have in the meantime had to abandon !
Leave support is low in the population, high in the Tories but not quite high enough. So there is a significant but silent minority of Tories whose lives are being tangibly trashed who are being asked to make sacrifices.
Tory remainers won't simply blame it all on Ukraine or Covid and will quite reasonably ask if everybody has to make sacrifices then Brexitists will have to as well.
That may point to serious division and while @Dave Beans is right to point out the threat of Farage, I think we may have moved on from 2016.
The nub of it is this: Brexitists won't let Remainers any where near this project or there will be an accusation of betrayal. But its universally acknowledged that Brexitists have been shown to be completely incompetent or worse in government. They have also broken fundamental pre-referendum promises (Norway +, no need to leave the single market etc etc). And now we are in a mess.
We don't know if in principle Brexit can be made to work and we can't find out because there is nobody we can trust to implement it anyway. In the meantime, out in the real world people lose their homes and go hungry...
I'm not convinced we have moved on from 2016...especially the hard core lot.. They even see the TCA as a betrayal, as it leaves NI "exposed"... they want(ed) a full on Singapore on Thames, with a quick free trade agreement with the US..it was destined to fail. Doesn't Farage realise that congress will never pass a deal (it wouldn't even get through the Ways & Means committee), which left the island of Ireland even more divided?
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1 hour ago, slawek said:
80-90% of those who want to vote Tories think Brexit is a good thing. There is no much political space for them to change their position on Brexit. They are cornered as UKIP-lite. I can only see some tinkering on the edges like standard alignments.
It would be fascinating to see what Farage would do, if ultimately, he was shouted down...
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3 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:
This hasn't come out of the blue. It was being talked about in Whitehall weeks ago. Most Tory MPs realise Brexit is failing and that it will take them down with it if they don't quickly change course.
A Swiss style deal isn't and won't be on offer. It is a stalking horse to be dropped in favour of whatever can be negotiated most likely some sort of associate or shadow membership.
The TCA is pretty much the only game in town..
Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.
in House prices and the economy
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What they say and what they do are two different things. People will get poorer whilst little changes..