Tankus
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Wait untill fracking ramps up to the scale projected ,won't even matter if your a vegan !
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would Niagara falls be more useful in combat ? ....you could drown your enemy
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Maybe they could use fracking technology to get more out of the aquifers ........errr.....?????.
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Implications for London ?
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Big deep water LPG terminals completing construction this year and the next....
The comming glut in gas is already underway..!
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Stigma seems to be one of tesco few successful growth areas....errrr
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Sorry ...typing on my pad is a bit hit and miss , hence edits
And randomly posting before I've finished .....composting
The auto spell correction is sometimes a bugger too !
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What stigma , ? The local(ish) lidl car park that I frequent is full of jags mercs ,4x4 ' and higher end city cars.
Went into Iceland for the first time in over a decade ,and couldn't help but notice their till operation seemingly attracting the tats and prams double couple in working hours dog tied up outside during working hours
What stigma , ? The local(ish) lidl car park that I frequent is full of jags mercs ,4x4 ' and higher end city cars.I got over the social stigma very easily about 6 months ago and stopped going to Tesco and now go to Lidl. Where stigma is concerned I can report there is nothing different about the people that shop at Lidl or Tesco - except the ones in Lidl aren't getting royally shafted on price. My shopping bill has nearly halved, and the quality is better in most cases. What I also love is not having to suffer option anxiety, i.e. a choice of 50 different types of toothpaste I don't need, Lidl offer me max of 5 thanks. Ok, so there's a lot of German and foreign brands, but it's a bit like nipping into the local foreign supermarket when you're stocking up at your holiday apartment. For bulk specific items I go wholesale at Costco.
Tesco are in a sh*t sandwich. They're not going to appeal to the upmarket shoppers of Waitrose and M&S, but they're offering nothing more than Aldi or Lidl while charging a premium. They're screwed.
Went into Iceland for the first time in over a decade ,and couldn't help but notice their till operation seemingly attracting the tats and prams double couple in working hours dog tied up outside types, buying and loading straight into plastic trays for later free delivery (non car owners big families)
The foods mainly cheap but!k family packs too .....
Dunno how long for delivery as I would be concerned over defrosting. But Iceland really seem to have noticeably hit a niche target customer
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its not the main issue though is it .......fluffy pointed out one of them at the surface which is what comes back up , but thats only around 15% of the volume ....
.More data is now coming back from the States over venting/ flaring too .
It won't be just one superpad in the vicinity , communities will eventually be slap bang in a major heavy industrial zone , No demarcation . No respite
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even custard under the right conditions is explosive
The main characteristics of DU are flammability (uranium can spontaneously ignite and then burn at temperatures of above 10,832 degrees Fahrenheit) and high density (twice the density of lead)its a thermobaric explosive ,burns at very high temp with an oxidant , directed into a plume by the shape of the charge , combinations of metals are used , but Halliburton has shedloads of DU costing money to store ....go figure
One of a number of Patents here ...,used extensively in the USA .
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Thing is, you can't use emotive propaganda one minute then try to appeal to technical knowledge the next.
Propaganda is being used to sell it ....... we are sleepwalking into it . The most common one is that the lights are going to go out ,there is a strategic need, as a justification for fracking. Or cheaper gas , or its safe proven technology used for centuries .
On depleted uranium, they don't have to use this, it's just the most effective material. A whole range of other dense materials could be used instead. Does that make the process all right if they use something else instead ? What about the fact that there is significant amount of radioactive material in shale anyway ?
On "thin pipes". Steel is enormously strong. If you were actually interested in facts and knew something about well completion you might want to focus on the joints, which is always where something is likely to leak rather than the integrity/strength/thickness of the pipe wall itself.
The use of DU is just an example of how rinsed the information supplied to the general public is . The first lot of gas coming up and vented might be an interesting whiff don't you think ? regardless of the explosives used
Yes.... joints, plus a whole host of possibilities of point failure including migration alongside pipes due to lack of cement adherence to the bore wall or to the pipe itself, it doesn't even have to go into the pipes, but all this has been posted already .
Do you understand that fracking has been going on for decades? Indeed, in the 1800s the practice of 'shotting' was invented, where basically you lit a stick of dynamite and dropped it down the well..
....... also called tertiary extraction in the North sea in the 80's
the wright flyer and Concorde are 70 years apart and are both called aircraft , same thing though ?
The key word in unconventional .....kickoff was around 2004 when a number of technologies coalesced .
the difference is in the scale, lateral drilling , and the use and volume of slickwater .
Just watch the vid posted earlier of one of the guys who developed the technology in the 80's , he deals with that myth in the first part .
These wells have very steep decline curves, because of the lack of mobility of the fluids involved. I'm not sure what you think is happening underground; basically you are putting some cracks in the rock and pumping in sand to try and keep them open; this increases the area of shale exposed to low pressure conditions that can then release gas. But the effect falls of very rapidly from the crack.
Solvent extraction is more often done for oil, and only when the oil company is absolutely sure that the solvents won't escape into the surrounding rock (not for environmental reasons, but for the reason the solvents are expensive).
Eventually the well becomes a "stripper" ..... it can be quite rapid , where the cost of facking exceeds the economic value of the gas returned .
Only around 15% of the fluids (millions of gallons per frack) pumped down comes back up as "produced water" (or industrial effluent for want of a better term) the 85 % remains down there.
As the well starts to strip more and more fracking fluids have to be pumped down, less and less as a percentage comes back , where do you think that is going ?
The hydrostatic environment over a very large area has been altered ....1000's of sq km if the suggested extraction targets are to be met , just take a look at any geological map and look at the faults, discontinuities and bed folding within only a few sq km let alone 1000's ... It will seek a new balance ...it will take time , there will be escape routes as 50 % of all well casements fail after 30 years (movement and corrosion) plus natural paths .
Capping the stripped well at the surface and grouting is not the end of it . It may not even be grouted as they may want to come back and refrack after a respite .
It still mobile, with biocides,still chemically slick.
Nothing to prove here as the fracking companies know it
hence the legal exemptions in the USA with the Halliburton loophole
Just like in the USA the UK fracking companies don't need to fund a bond to cover future issues , it will be down to the local council. Long after the fracking companies have disappeared and the bribes .
Acid treatment has been used, but would be rapidly neutralised.Hydrochloric acid is used to clean out the pipe train before fracking ...... its more of a surface spill issue
Naphthalene is the carrying agent for the proppant in the UK , it also acts as a solvent , it wont neutralise .
As for depleted uranium.. shales are one of the more radioactive rock types to begin with.Quite . plus heavy metals and btex compounds, not to mention venting of condensate .....Apparently the Manchester ship canal was being used as a disposal area via a sewage plant , until someone pointed out that it might not be such a good idea as the NORM just went straight through the plant untouched ....A no brainer just for that alone .
Currently nobody in the public now know where the disposal is now occurring , Theres only one plant in the midlands that can deal with NORM in fluids but its experimental and can only deal in the thousands of gallons not millions . So where is it now being dumped ?
In the US they just pump it down an even deeper well in vast volumes (look up earthquake swarms in texas ) Illegal here ...so far .....but then the law is being changed to accommodate fracking.
No trespass
No national insurance bond
tax breaks
bigger bribes for the localities immediately affected .
what next
There are possible issues with fracking - disposal of waste water being the biggest. Plus there is the real possibility that the whole shale 'boom' is more of a ponzi-with-cashflow system. But the scaremongering annoys me.They are not just possible issues are they ?.
Oil company propaganda being spouted annoys me ,along with hedge fund and banker backing pushing an obvious very short term bubble ....
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Its just what's underneath , though , its also what's venting , particularly during the construction stage ,best not be downwind ..eh?
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That's why you have a mining survey done when buying a house in a mined area , its then a risk assessment,
The insurance company's have made that assessment and have made fracking zones an exemption clause , doesn't matter what your not sure about . Best of luck with everything that that entails , including your premium's.
I'm not too sure you fully understand what unconventional extraction is ?
Its all about mobility of fluids and gas within a shale which under normal geological conditions has low permeability ,That's why the hydrocarbons are trapped throughout the bed in micropores, fissues and planes .......fracking opens up these and interconnects them to extract the hydrocarbons ...by explosive fracture , hydrostatic pressure ,chemical sovents , viscosity reducers and propants. Its how it works....by destroying the hydrostatic equilibrium within the shale , increasing its permeability, by enhancing the mobility within.
Haliburton advertising for their hyperbaric perforation guns " cuts through rock like a hot knife through butter"
If they cant get rid of their depleted uranium stocks by spraying it at Iraqi's , here's another way!
Then pump it up ....
Just watch the vid ......be better informed .
That's why you have a mining survey done when buying a house in a mined area , its then a risk assessment,Ex-coal-mining areas have far worse issues with subsidence, because the rock/coal is actually removed.. not just a well bore. So I'm not exactly sure how that could be an issue as far as mortgages go.
The insurance company's have made that assessment and have made fracking zones an exemption clause , doesn't matter what your not sure about . Best of luck with everything that that entails , including your premium's.
I'm not too sure you fully understand what unconventional extraction is ?I'd also add that your visions of 'destroyed and fissured bedding' don't seem to have much connection to reality.
Its all about mobility of fluids and gas within a shale which under normal geological conditions has low permeability ,That's why the hydrocarbons are trapped throughout the bed in micropores, fissues and planes .......fracking opens up these and interconnects them to extract the hydrocarbons ...by explosive fracture , hydrostatic pressure ,chemical sovents , viscosity reducers and propants. Its how it works....by destroying the hydrostatic equilibrium within the shale , increasing its permeability, by enhancing the mobility within.
Haliburton advertising for their hyperbaric perforation guns " cuts through rock like a hot life through butter"
If they cant get rid of their depleted uranium stocks by spraying it at Iraqi's , here's another way!
Then pump it up ....
Just watch the vid ......be better informed .
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The insurance companies have fracking listed as an exclusion clause .
Best of luck with a mortgage renewal or selling to some one who needs a mortgage , with subsidence /crack exemptions on your bricks and mortar insurance .
Best of luck proving any subsequent subsidence damage on your property if its within or near too a lateral zone is not fracking related , once the pads are in .
As for the depth , how long and deep is a fault, ? It doesn't have to move , just provide a route !
Its a crap shot ,every well is pump and pray , with no idea how the hydrology is going to eventually pan out .
Vertical containment depends on an inch of cement lining a thin layer of pipe , pumped over several miles at massive pressure , flawlessly ! Then after its been hammered multiple times by shockwaves teaveling up from the depleted uranium shaped charges fired from the perforation guns along the horizontal.
frankly I'm amazed only 6% fail during construction.
The real problems arent now , but years or decades after proction.. Capping the well at the surface and walking away is not the end of the process, the millions of gallons of chemical crap pumped down and dissolved out heavy metals and NORM over a huge area will still be trying to find a hydrostatic equilibrium in destroyed and fissured bedding.
Just watch that lecture
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Its for running a lateral under private land , not to set up a drill pad to drill from .
Still..... if you live above ..welcome to HPC
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This has been on the cards since last year
Hardly a new leak
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Can sleep four with a double bunk
Think how low the heating costs will be .....all supplied by body heat.
There's cosy for you !
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Maybe you should inform yourself then !
Those percentages are from the oil company actual failure rates , no speculation at all.
Why do you think the fracking companies required legal exemption from all that hardwon common sense basic environmental legislation in the US with the Haliburton loophole ?
Also absolution from a bond to cover future environmental damage after the well has been capped ?
Simples really.!
There is a rush in the UK , to get it under way before the problems in the US get to big to buy off, hide , or cover with secrecy clauses.
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Cuadrilla themselves .......
They finally admitted the casement failure 6 months after the tremors happened. Its the real reason why operations were immediately suspended and the casements grouted to the point of failure ...The pipe train got trashed .
Just do the math .....6% of well casements fail during construction 50% fail within 3 decades , every 40 lateral pad is practically guaranteed to have a containment failure along its pipes .......with no idea of the hydrological response over time ....its a crap shot ...
But all this has been done to death in the other threads , just read them !
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Rubbish, the insurace companies will have precisce maps to within cm , best of luck with them !
Already covered here
http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?showtopic=190846&page=18#entry1102515108
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Don't bother ...it doesn't matter what's applicable in the US...the crown owns the mineral rights in the UK , trespass laws are now being changed in this summers queens speech , If there is a pad within 2 miles of you they can run a lateral under your house without the need of notification let alone permission .No, that's only US law. US law basically means that you own a whole 'wedge' in theory down to the core of the earth from your land, including all mineral rights. Most other countries have different laws on this (I'd have to look up the details).
The first you may know of it is when you come to renew your mortgage or sell , and suddenly find exemption clauses in your bricks and mortar insurances , a premium price hike , or an outright refusal of renewal , and all that entails . Your stuffed if your an homeowner .
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Tiny earthquakes are not a minor issue , they shatter pipe trains , they only need a nudge , its what shut down Prees Hall in Blackpool , the well casements got deformed and had to be plugged .... No doubt they look OK on the surface , but what's already been pumped down is still mobile and will be for decades .
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Its not going to be just one 40 lateral super pad in the community though , the gas is everywhere through the shale , so you need multiple pads over a large area . 1000's of superpads are needed .
40 laterals will mean continual fracking for years on each pad as the laterals get fracked in succession . the Marcellus mostly average around 8/16 depending on age .
it will mean there will be a major chemical plant with its accociatred HGV truck park of thousands of HGV lorry movements 24/7/365 slap bang within that community .
Then there is the venting plume ....
This is a typical five well 10 lateral Marcellus pad ........note the lorry queue
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Suggesting even distribution as a dilution throughout a given maximum volume is utterly fatuous anyway and as 'bout as divorced from reality as you can get !
Its like drawing safty and evacuation zones in perfect bulls eye circles .
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Maybe they could convert metros into pubs ...then ......errr ...oh ?