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    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    15 minutes ago, pig said:

    Well for me the Remain option would have to be reframed to include putting in place the immigration control that the government has always had.

    Other than that calling it 'reframing' is of course disingenuous nonsense. It would be the FIRST referendum with an actual Brexit option on display and a Brexit designed and curated by Brexiters, not 'stymied' by them.

    We wouldn't be off to a good start if Brexit politicians couldn't take responsibility for their own idiocy and / or incompetence.

     

    I’d love another referendum based on truth.

    you could tell people that if they remain the UK govt still won’t enact any of the controlling powers they’ve had for years and if we leave the EU will demand a lot of money and make it very awkward for us.

    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    3 minutes ago, HairyOb1 said:

    Well quite, that's before the bonfire of the regulations and the race to the bottom for standards.  Chlorine bleached chicken soup sir, no, it most certainly wasn't pressure washed off then bleached.....

    Steroid injected beef, genetically modified grain.  We may become the circus freak show of Europe...

    How many food scandals have come out of Europe in recent years?

    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    Posted · Edited by EmmaRoid

    10 minutes ago, HairyOb1 said:

    Because I am hoping the people who voted for brexit get precisely the brexit they deserve.  The bit that tickles me the most, is that in general terms, those who voted for brexit will be most adversely affected by the outcome of brexit, yet vote they did.  I think we'll have a very interesting few years post brexit, if we do leave, where people wake up to this.  The people who will be least affected by brexit, will look on.

    As for them taking action, please, you keep droning on about how useless this government is, then state they'll suddenly be competent post brexit.  As I said away with you and your glittering Unicorns.

    Well, you see, that's different than what's coming out of the EU; the head of the German automotive industry stated the other day, Of course the UK is important, but the EU is more important, so if we need tariffs, they will be implemented.

    Once folk wake up to the EU being an ideological union, they'll wake up to the fact we're not getting a great deal.

    We can do deals with the rest of the world.  I am sure our farmers, and businesses, are going to love competing with them, when they start coming in tariff free, which they don't currently.

    And again, the ‘Brexit the British deserve’. 

    You are lovely aren’t you? ? 

     

    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    21 minutes ago, dryrot said:

    Possibly related.? FDP nix Euro integration: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/17/german-court-threatens-qe-plans-die-euro-fiscal-union/

    "The new kingmakers of German politics have dashed hopes for a Franco-German ‘Grand Bargain’ to relaunch the eurozone, dismissing plans for a joint budget and shared banking debts as totally unacceptable. Christian Lindner, the fiery chief of the Free Democrats (FDP), said his party would not tolerate any drift towards a fiscal transfer union, and demanded that holders of eurozone sovereign debt should suffer sobering losses before there can any further rescues for governments in trouble. Mr Lindner is a crucial figure in talks over a three-way ‘Jamaica’ coalition in the current splintered Bundestag. Chancellor Angela Merkel is relying on his bloc of 80 seats along with the Greens to form a new government. "

    Is'nt the EU wonderful! From the elections in France, Holland, and Austria, to the  warm agreement over the Euro... Its all rosy! Seriously, the Euro is a disaster. As I see it either (1) Germany or the Southen states leave the Euro, or (2) Germany provides fiscal transfers to the poorer countries. Germany has just nixed the second option. The sooner we stop paying to prop up the creaking mess the better.

    Don’t forget the EU’s success is REAL and PROVEN

    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    1 hour ago, HairyOb1 said:

    No, that's absolutely not the case - Brexiteers aren't stating facts, they are actually using their vote to voice complaint, as you have many times.  I, however, am simply pointing out the folly of having such a view, given immigration will not change and the situation you're all complaining about, insist will be 'fixed' will not be, it will continue, unabated, but from a different demographic: I have never suggested I have concerns about it, quite the opposite, you made this comment up, whist I actually welcome it. The fact you keep labouring the wrong point, projecting by accusing me of being racist, when everything I have said is factual.  I voted for FOM, I agree in open borders.  How on earth can that be the same as voting to stop FOM and closing our borders for more control?

    You can't simply fabricate someone else's argument, just so you can make yourself feel better than you obviously do. It's obvious to everyone here, you're making up my 'concerns' when I have none, none whatsoever.  Grizzly and I discussed my view regarding open borders.  How can I have concerns, if I want open borders; you make no sense at all.  Stop fabricating arguments, it makes you look a bit touched.

    As I said, projecting.

    And still not answering my question.

    Look, don't beat yourself up SS, if Will Self is right, then at least you're in majority company, which I am sure agrees with you.

    You clearly do have issues. What sort of person would say they hope the UK turns into a 3rd world hole just to teach the British people a lesson? 

    IF immigration remains an issue post Brexit, IF, that will still be a domestic political issue and the public will express their opinions, the politicos will say something about it and these actions and reactions will take us to a new position. I know it’s hard for you to take but you are not the boss.

    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    9 hours ago, HairyOb1 said:

    Yes, I know, being a supporter of something that is real, proven, is exactly the same as a mythical land of cake and eating it, which was your proposal - Lets all stay where we are, but also move about freely...

    The EU is about 5 minutes old. Pursuit of a single currency has thrown several countries under the bus and the largest members have a growing populist hardcore right wing political movement. The tolerant large country without a hardcore right wing faction, the UK, decided (in a democrat referendum) it wanted to leave the EU.

    If that's real and proven continuing EU success, I'd hate to see things going badly.

     

    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    5 minutes ago, HairyOb1 said:

    I know, the 50's and 60's were perfect, in winter we ate stews of root vegetables, and in simmer whatever there was.  It was a green and pleasant land and all was good in the world....

    Cue sparkling unicorns, fields of lush hay and farmer walking from farm to farm for the harvest....

    Honestly, it's utterly amazing.

    It’s a bit rich you throwing in unicorns when you are such a proponent of European peace and harmony.

    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    16 minutes ago, kzb said:

    The only bit of all that relevant to the point is the paragraph in bold.  However you agree 100% with what I and HY said in the underlined sentences.

    The rest of it seems to be about difficulty recruiting suitably qualified and experienced people.  There simply are not enough no matter what pay you offer. 

    I agree this is a difficulty, businesses need to respond with training and education processes.  One of the things needing a good sorting out are employment agencies and recruitment practices, the idea that you just plug someone in from an agency, as a widget, is one of the things going deeply wrong with society.

    It’s why I posted the EE migration story. How do you unwind this FOM disaster? 

    If people leave to go home, the host suffers. If they don’t go home, their country of origin suffers.

    What then? The countries of origin get immigrants from somewhere else? Wtf?

    Can’t we all just get along living in our own countries, allow freedom of movement to travel and work but have measures in place to prevent destructive migratory patterns?

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    2 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

    Don't think University is a lifestyle choice, probably need a degree now to get a good job when previously you didn't.

    Excellent, you've come round to our way of thinking *strokes white fluffy cat*.

    The trouble with that dislocation is it put the housing they would have bought into the hands of you know whom, breaking what we would know as society. 

    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    20 minutes ago, HairyOb1 said:

    But they're voting change that will affect them the worst, that's the bit I cannot get my head around.  If, as predicted, we're going to be in strife for a long time, we're talking a generation, their kids maybe, in strife for a generation....

    It's lunacy really. 

    No the lunacy is selling the dream of death by a thousand cuts because that is claimed to be the least worst option by the very people bringing you death by a thousand cuts.

    (and in this instance it’s not even the EU as such but the British political establishment)

    Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

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    Posted · Edited by EmmaRoid

    5 minutes ago, casual_squash said:

    Well yes, the issue always was our economy was arranged/rigged unevenly to the single market when we first joined.

    Fast forward today's climate and the clue alone explains why the brexit vote hardened the further North you went in England. 

    You are preaching to the converted, yes a Brexit will cause an adjustment to the current economic arrangement but you continually refuse to acknowledge the people who were thrown overboard in this current setup and continually criticise them for voting for change. It's difficult to convince a disenfranchised electorate to prop up an economy they were never part of in the first place. 

    Yes

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