[Inspection Trip - The Greens - Morocco]

Hi

Want to buy my place (SADIA ) ?

3 bed beach front villa.....I am desparate to sell and would take a loss for a quick sale.

There you go Dogbox, seeing as Saidia is such a great investment, why don't you snap up this bargain as well ?

[Egypt Anyone? Cheap And Cheerful - 2bed Apartments By Beach For C£20,000]

If it does get blown up then ive only lost £20k

Not if your standing in it at the time.

Idiot.

[Morocco - My Next Target]

Thanks for the enlightment there Big Log. Its great to hear the self-appointed Moroccan minister of development doing his best and playing his part in improving the country. With your bare hands you are working hard to build the country/economy, whilst with your touch typing fingers you remind us how ***** so many things are there - kudos to you.

Let me point you in the direction of the marina:

http://www.propertyshowrooms.com/morocco/p...mages/?f=MARINA

You say "Moroccan construction relies extremely heavily on lots and lots of concrete" Being in construction surely you would know that "Concrete is a construction material that consists, in its most common form, of Portland cement, aggregate (generally gravel and sand) and water" - Or are you just full of ******* ?

Just maybe that "swamp" is a mini resovoir for all the concrete that is required. In case you had not heard, Saidia is not one or two blocks of apartments, it is in the tens of thousands, none of which are over 3 stories

I know many people in construction, not many of them post on internet forums almost daily, and in the case of a Dogbox post, respond within a few hours. You must have a nice little number going on there in Morocco.

Oh and here are some more recent shots of 'some' of the apartments on the development. As many agree on here these are the FADESA apaerments and are genuinally consdisered the least aesthetic, still they

http://www.propertyshowrooms.com/morocco/p...DESA%20Jan%2007

Biglog, stop crying about people flipping, its not illegal, people have done it in the past and will continue to in the future - get over it. By writing "IN MY VAST EXPERIENCE" in big letters, and yapping on about spelling mistakes (being an engineer also i dont know many other engineers who give a damn or even notice minor spelling mistakes), it makes you look a rather sad individual whos only contribution to this thread is to post highly negative opinions about every aspect of Saidia.

I see it will be a nice 22degC this weekend in Oujda, I would guess slightly cooler up in Saidia, ideal for golf or to escape the cloudy, windy and rainy parts of northen Europe. Still Biglog would have you believe Oujda/Saidia is in some sort of bermuda triangle weather system where in the summer season its "too hot" and the off season does not last that long......Mmmmm

Oh dear, very low IQ. Seems I've touched a raw nerve there. What's up ?? Bricking it about your 'investment' ??

What type of Engineer are you ? Gas ? Plumbing ? Heating ?? Or Toilet.

Such clever investor.

[Morocco - My Next Target]

Sorry, but why do you bet the build quality is shocking What on earth are you basing these assumptions on? This a ridiculous comment and very offensive.

For those interested (if not, don't look, simple) one of the Oasis small villas complete.

R

Well Robster, I live in Morocco and I visited Saidia in 2005 and yes I visited the showroom where these buildings you so proudly show us are being built.

Personally I have extensive experience in construction, both as an Engineer and as a 'real' investor in business in Morocco (Im in manufacturing in the construction industry).

When I saw your photos it confirmed what I have always thought about Saidia and the Hype coming from Dogbox's keyboard.

Having heard months and months of hype from Dogbox, I thought maybe he may be right and I may be wrong (all this talk about Spain's largest construction company, Fadesa, 60 Gucci, 11 Hotels yada yada). But your photos, and now, the reaction's of others only confirm what I already knew.

Let me enlighten you.

Typically, Moroccan construction relies extremely heavily on lots and lots of concrete. Thick concrete walls.

As someone else said, I wonder what they look like from up close. I can predict that; nothing will be level, nothing will be straight as all of that will have been done by sight. Dodgy electrics, even dodgier plumbing, abysmal tiling (because nothing is level/straight), with final rendering of said concrete put together until it 'sort of looks right'. Windows and doors will be of the cheapest variety (as proved by your latest 'finished' picture). I could really go on and on and on.

I also agree with the others regarding the beach photo and that swampy photo which I don't know what it was (surely not the marina )

So, these monoliths, even from the distance this picture was taken, IN MY VAST EXPERIENCE, look no different from the many hundreds (if not thousands) of properties I have seen myself being constructed over here.

I can also bet you that archtecturally, these properties will lack a lot in terms of privacy, how much thought has really gone into the layout of the project, the design of the living space, how adequate the street lighting will be, how easily vehicles will be able to drive in and out of the complex, safety etc etc etc. That list can go on and on also.

For sure, Morocco is a changing place, and it can only improve and it is (I'm over here doing exactly that - playing my part in improving the country), but I feel that building works over here will take many many years (decades basically) until they are lets say 'acceptable' (and I am VERY realistic about what constitutes acceptable/respectable).

Flipping properties (which does not add ONE ounce of value to a country in need of improvement) I am highly against.

Still, keep believing your own rhetoric......

Good luck.

P.S. Dogbox, even if you can't see anyone else's argument, at least try to assist your's by learning to spell properly - it's really bugging me that you consistently get your 'i' and 'e's round the wrong way (e.g it's 'friend', not 'freind', 'their' not 'thier' etc etc) - people will be more likely to take you seriously.

[Morocco - My Next Target]

So again I ask why the King with all his power and resources chose Saidia as his first showcase Plan Azure project for the world to see? If we follow your train of thought he's either a complete idiot or in the midst of a great hoax.

Dont forget Saidia is 7million m2, so far in a way his most important Plan Azure site.

Note the marina will be the largest in the Med and hold up to 60m long yatchs.

Note the 11 interntational hotel groups building hotels within the site. Muppets

It must have something going for it!

For me it will have everything I need as Ive told you many times. The further away I am from turgid tours of vineyards and ruins the better.

Open space for someone like me is poetic whereas your type (the Michael Pallin camp) would consider it nothingness. Never shall we agree. To give you an idea I would never go on any kind of organised group tour, or cruise, and would never visit the depressing heaving Pyramids, indeed I find London depressing which is why I moved into the surrounding countryside.

Ive been to Cyprus and the Ballearics which you say will be more attractive than Saidia. I wouldnt say lots of 1/2 built and abandoned property, mixed with sprawling developments, factories and nice beaches all crammed into little islands is anything particularly special and definitely not magical in any sense (and I speak as someone whos been back to the better parts of Menorca a few times).

If you owned Morocco, would you give away your best bits (Marrakech, Fes, Agadir, Tangiers etc) or would you give away parts that you didn't really care less about, in the corner of nowhere, and say "there, have that, see what you can do make of this"....... Saidia is a nothingness made up to be something special by commission-paid hypers like you.

You talk about Cyprus since you've been there (well done, you are getting out after all), but you have never set foot in Morocco ?? How do you know whether it will have all what you need ?? You've never been there, it hasn't been built..... you are on a commission aren't you ??

LOL regarding the Michael Palin reference btw, but I like nothing more than a nice beach - speaking from experience, saidia is nothing special at all regarding beach/sea quality. In fact it's very ordinary.

Finally, due to your lack of local knowledge, you talk about the King as if Saidia is this prestigious place that he's overlooking on a daily basis. Let me tell you (from experience) that the King gets about in his country and sees everywhere, this is normal for him and the fact that he goes to Saidia doesn't surprise anyone (except easily impressed people such as yourself), nor does it guarantee that it'll be this monumental awesomeness you predict it to be.

Finally, over here Saidia is very very low on the list of worthy news items regarding property in Morocco.

[Morocco - My Next Target]

So the Kings got it all wrong? According to you his showcase first Plan Azure development is a mistake.

Saidia will be a premier destination and offers a fairly unique vacation proposition. If you cant see it, thats fine with me.

You often ask '"whats to do"? Not a lot right now, but once built it will offer everything most holiday makers want all in one close to the UK resort.

Im an average sort of guy, and for certain most of my average freinds and aquaintances are'nt interested in culture in the main. If we fancy a bit of culture we do a short city break, but most of the time we want rest and relaxation.

People I know that own villas in Spain and Cyprus didnt have 'culture' on thier shopping list thats for sure.

Im pretty sure Dubai lovers are'nt driven by a hunger for culture.

Also you underestimate the importance of the 'coast factor'. Not many people Ive met would want a week in a hot inland city like Fez

And...................?

The professional speculators make up a small part of the market.

A gem like Saidia will have longevity thanks to its unique market position.

Those moving on will likely find the later Plan Azure resorts more expensive and those further down the Atlantic coast a longer flight.

The King knows exactly what he's doing, it's muppets like you that haven't got a clue. You should take a very good look at a map of Morocco and see which little corner of nowhere you are buying into.

What I can see is that you are a ramper, hyping a place you claim to be so interested in for Holidaying yet you've never even set foot in the country let alone the town you claim to know so well !!!!

Spain, if you like that sort of thing, has tons of culture (it's the brits that lack in that department), same as Cyprus, steeped in culture, history, sun, good food, plenty to do and see, relax if you want, nice people etc etc.

I don't even like Dubai and what it's got and represents, but we all know what there is at Dubai and if we want that, we know where to go. It's a glitzy, over the top, luxury luxury luxury place, if that's your cup of tea.

So if it's Coast you are after, why pay so over the top for your bit of nowhere ??

Or why are you such a ramper ??

Me thinks you are on a commission......

[Morocco - My Next Target]

Most holiday makers don't select their destination based on culture or heritage of the place. They select their destination based on other criteria, such as climate, beaches, facilities, accessibility and cost.

I agree that they have used the term exotic a little loosely. It will be more exotic than Southern Spain and some of its popular islands, but I'd still hesitate before using the term about Saidia. I like Fez and would sooner holiday there or in Marakesh / the Atlas mountains than Saidia, but I realise that most tourists aren't like me. Hence my selection of Saidia.

Thanks for summary of article DogBox, I'll be picking up a copy on the way home. Darn, just realised article appeared on the 15th!

I write this in Morocco dressed in WINTER clothes (wearing them indoors, it's that cold) .....

Let's interpret your first liner generalisation a bit shall we.

Firstly, taking what you say as correct (and I personally don't), it would therefore mean that people would NOT come to Morocco as, first and foremost, Morocco is about Culture, History, Deserts, Camels, Oasis, Souks etc etc etc etc !!!! (so, own goal there by you I'm afraid).

Morocco is NOT about CenterParcs, facilities, Beaches etc. It doesn't pretend to be. Whether it'll have that in the future I don't know, but then if I was in control of Morocco's tourist industry, I wouldn't steer it down that route as the competition would beat it hands down (I'd stick to souks, desert rides, camels, culture etc which it does best).

Also the Climate as you mention as being so important, In Morocco it is NOT the type of sun you want to be in all day but the type you want to keep out of most of the time (you get heatstroke over here very very very quickly, like 20minutes - and that means ANYONE does, including the Moroccans who you'll very often see here 90% of the time holding ANYTHING above their heads to keep the sun off it). So, so much for your round of golf and beach holiday

YES, Morocco has lots of beaches. BUT in MY EXPERIENCE they are very unhygenic/dangerous (or very windy or unsuitable for safe swimming). Yes, they might clean them, but the problem is that the Moroccan's prefer to soil the beach rather than put said litter in bin. Local Education......

So, if I chose a holiday based on your criteria, I wouldn't' for the life of me, choose Saidia. Sheesh, I don't know how much easier this could be !

I could choose Greece and have a better Holiday if you we're to use your criteria as a holiday basis. Trust me, NO ONE is going to go to Saidia for a Holiday other than for a speculative visit/see what the fuss is about (and even Dogbox can't get off his ar$e in that regard !). And they would NOT come back.

Fes and Marrakesh *are* Holiday destinations and good ones at that. No there isn't a beach at either, but people who choose Fes/Marrakesh as a Holiday would know that.

I trust Catara MORE than Dogbox on the origins of this Daily Mail article - Dogbox is a VI (and a not too bright one), Catara isn't a VI (and neither am I - I am trying to give the real side view of what Saidia is all about and to expose Dogbox's ramping and flipping intentions).

Brrrrr......I'm cold.

I'm sorry Soup Dragon, I think you've contradicted yourself. Saidia, isn't going to appeal to your sector of Holiday Maker for the simple reason that if that's the type of Holiday they want, there are a million places they could choose before Saidia.

In fact, I fail to see which Holidaying Clientele would choose Saidia ?? (Don't bother answering that one Dogbox because you haven't got a clue).

So, anyone. Why Saidia ??

[Morocco - My Next Target]

A paid page adbout Saidia.

Can you provide a link Catara as I can't find anything in the Daily Mail to support Dogbox's claim ??

[Morocco - My Next Target]

..........Once people get used to the idea and recognise Morocco combines well planned luxury with the exotic plus a short flight...................

They'll fly to Marrakesh or Fes........

Saidia, where's that ?? They'll say.

60 Gucci shops, Marina, Golf. No thanks they'll say, I want History and Culture (get that in Marrakesh and Fes).

Besides, Saidia is miles away from anywhere, best be around where the action is........

[Pre Plan Marrakesh Advice Wanted]

Big log

Please could you do me a great kindness. i am trying to do my research

but i cannot find out much information about the developer.Since you live in morroco perhaps you may be able to find out a little more.

His name is Abdelaziz Belhassan Alaoui.

Apparantly of morrocon high society.

Currently he is selling Olive Grove Marrakesh

He is Also Developing a project called Atlas mountain development.

Apparantly he succesfully developed a major investment project on the Dubonnet estate Marrakesh,which he purchased and then syndicatedto a high level consortium including Hilton Hotels.

They say he is also the pioneer for the large scale introduction of decentralised solar lighting and solar water pumping in morroco.

His initiative resulted in electrification of over 3000 households and water distubution to 175 villages.

He is a friend of the King.

All this information has been provided by the company i am puchasing through so i want to try and verify these facts if i can

your help would be very wecome

I'll find out for you Lina, funnily, being a man of my word, we're going to Marrakech after Christmas, so you're in luck !.

Where did you hear about this man's credentials ?? I'm a bit wary of people saying that they are 'connected' or that they are 'high up' - usually turns out to be bs......

Especially the 'friend of the king' bit - but I may be proved wrong, let me find out and I'll let you know what I find out.

BTW, I know people who are friends of the King - in fact, I'm convinced I'll get to meet him myself one day (I've already seen him in his car driving past at least 6 times, and that's without going out of my way, he travels a lot ! In the UK I only ever saw the queen once !!

Marrakech is great because it is so central, unlike Saidia which is right out in that corner, where no-one goes basically ! It's also a very safe/developed town, really nice, Atlas Mountains (which I get mesmerised by) - basically a safe bet.

I wouldn't pretend that the constructing ones own site would be a piece of cake, but the savings you'd make and the overall quality of construction you'd end up with would definitely make it worth your while.

For sure in Morocco, once we've decided where we're going to settle down, then that'll definitely be our route. The quality of construction (Moroccan style) is very low - trust me, I see it every day (that's why I'd rather do it/over look it/run it myself) - off-plan is notorious for surprises in this regard.

Good luck and I'll let you know in the new year (we're not going to Marrakech for a couple of weeks).

P.S. Do try to come out to Marrakesh, it's really nice.

[Pre Plan Marrakesh Advice Wanted]

Hi Biglog,

do you know where to find advertisements for sales of land in MOrocco? Can foreigners purchase land?

Sales of land in Morocco isn't difficult, you just have to come out here. I'm sure there are loads of places I could search but as I'm not interested in Land at the moment, I'm not looking.

Regarding Foreigners purchasing land, I must admit I'm not 100% sure, but I'm a foreigner (UK !), but I do have a national Id card over here as I live here. Never thought about it to be honest. I'll find out and let you know, but I really don't think it'd be a problem as logically, if you are allowed to buy property, then I don't see why land wouldn't be allowed (but I'm only guessing).

[Pre Plan Marrakesh Advice Wanted]

Lina,

Have you been to Marrakech ?? I personally like the place a lot and go there very often. So I commend you on your choice.

Excuse me for perhaps teaching you to suck eggs, but why don't you come over and take a look at the place ??

And also, why not think about buying a plot of land and building your own property yourself ?? It doesn't take much.

Cut the middleman out ?

I took a quick look at the website you mention, not too keen on husband/wife service outfits personally.

Radio's suggestion sounds good.

[Property In Dubai , Morroco +]

disclaimer - my opinion only but I'm pretty sure it's an opinion shared by many others

Yes, shared by those who are banking on it......... wake up and get real.

[Property In Dubai , Morroco +]

2 bed appartments on 'The Greens' Saidia are c£80000. 40% now and the rest in 2 years by mortgage or cash. Bargain if you ask me. Wont be in 2 years.

Why would I want to pay £80,000 for a 2 bed appt in Saidia (have you seen a two bed appartment in Morocco) ??

To knock a golf ball around in Saidia ??

Why would I want to do that ?

I don't think hitting a golf ball in Saida will be much fun, the Moroccan sun if very unforgiving (can't show you that on a DVD sorry Dobbogx) - the season isn't what you think it is, so why as a golf fanatic (and you've already admitted you don't even play the game) would someone trek over to empty Saidia to hit some golf balls ??

To 'shop at any one of 60 Gucci shops' I await the reply.......

Really ?

If I really wanted to play some golf in 'nice' sun, I'd choose Spain - simple (or Portugal, or South Africa, or the US, or Cyprus, or Turkey........)

Morocco has golf courses, a few I'd say, so your £80,000 2-bed appartment looks *very* expensive to me.

Now, £80,000 for a villa, and I might wake up (and so should you).

And to the guy who keeps going on about Essaouira, I've been there and it's nothing special. Again, a very very windy place (you'll spend most of your time trying to find shelter to get out of the wind !). I met some English people out there (from Norwood, London) and they offered me a house for £30 a night

Needless to say, I didn't bite into the hype and went and stayed at a French couple's Maison D'hotes - far more civilised and authentic

There are nice places in Morocco, but then, you have to come over here and find them.

[What's Your 2007 Overseas Property Prediction?]

This is really childish thinking.

It's more than that - it's pure Armchair Pundit talk.

[Moroccan Property Hype]

I am a happy purchaser in Morocco at various sites, including Saidia, which in my opinion is has the greatest potential for both capitol growth, rental income and for a personal holiday home. It feels like WIN WIN WIN at present, but I do accept the various risks associated with this country/development. One of which, terrorism, I consider v.low and based on what the powers that be in blightly tell us, the risk of living or regularly commuting in London is much higher.

I know several people (including Spanish and French speaking Romanians) who have also visited and subsequently purchased at Saidia and have great confidence in the development. Of course there will be many issues that need resolving along the way, but that is life. Saidia is probably 3-5 years away from being a fully established resort.

I find it amusing that whenever I check this forum and a positive comment about Morocco and/or Saidia is made the ‘3 musketeers’ (they know who they are) launch into a barrage of negative spin worthy of Alistair Campbell. Does anyone else find it peculiar that one, or all three of them seem to respond almost instantaneously, strange that…I value anyone’s opinion positive or negative, however these three’s constant attacks is getting somewhat tiresome and smells of a hidden agenda.

Just by living in a country/area does not guarantee you know everything about the area and more importantly be able to predict what will happen in the future. I have worked and lived in many European cities and knew much more about nightlife, culture and places to go than locals that had spent 30years+ in the city!

The man with Moroccan connections Biglog lost a lot credibility for me regarding posts about ‘weather’ and ‘nothing to do there’ a while back on another thread. Claiming Saidia would have a 2-3month season, mmm.… OK. Based on my research since my interest back in March, my visits and various peoples personal experience out there the ‘season’ will be approximately 8-9 months. However, its seems obvious that the end of this resort’s ‘season’ is not going to be typical of the costas, Majorca, Tenerife season in that at some date the majority of the local Irish bars, greasy spoon café, sky sports bars and Sharon and Tracey meet market shut there is ‘nothing to do’….

These days many people go on holiday for a change of scenery and to just get away from the stresses of life. The approx. 3 months when the weather wont be as nice, (but will still be much warmer and dryer than UK, Germany, northern France, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe) one could walk along the beach, relax on balcony with views of sea with a book, going to new restaurants, spas, and maybe more with a whole host of other potential on-site activities the brochures claim (sports etc). Off course these are nice ideas on paper, but they will make money and create jobs so what is stopping them ? All these resort based pastimes is excluding the opportunity to visit the Oujda medina for a day, or hire a 4x4 and drive to the Riff mountains for some walking or mountain biking.

Bringing me on to the ‘on-season’ well the resort is right on the med, so a day on beach, a days boat trip, windsurfing, scuba-diving, water-skiing, jet skiing, parasailing are all possible activates I would guess?? However, I think one of the musketeers thinks nothing less than a mini-Disneyland is good enough, which is exactly what most buyers and target audience do not want here !

In my opinion Saidia’s biggest attraction is the Marina and Golf. Anyone seriously into boating knows you need serious money to participate. These people will bring this money into the hotels, restaurants, spas, shops etc in the resort/area. I am sure in years to come Saidia will be a place of the map for boat-folk from all around the world as another place to stop of in the me for a short stay. The on-site golf courses is the icing on the cake, where the husband can play a round whilst the missus relaxes in the spar. Lovely stuff :-)

And I am NOT an agent, just someone that was worked hard, invested money and has decided the stream of anti-Moroccan/Saidia comment/spin from certain people is not giving a balanced argument for any casual visitor to this site. Bad news for BrickLog, Catpee and Bigdog I have a busy working life and limited access to the internet so wont be on hand for you to quote back some of this with a witty smart alex reply.

I don't care what you think about me, you don't know - we do. I couldn't give a toss.

My wife's from Oujda (know where that is ?) - she used to holiday in Saidia every year, knows the climate like the back of her hand. So if you want to believe something else, that's your perogative.

And regarding 1+ve get's 3 negative remarks, I could easily say the same vice versa, one comment by me and Soup, Dog, and Euro retort back like a big band brass section.

P.S. You're not Dogbox by any chance ??

[Moroccan Property Hype]

biglog, i have lived here in morocco for years. I wont say where as its a small place in some respects and would certainly not want to run into you. im pretty well known where i live. you have your experiences and viewpoint and your own issues. i in fact came here as a lifestyle choice and things organically grew from there; right time right place etc...in terms of property and investment. i too have had to learn things the hard way, and after reading some of your other posts, i see you probably had some similar experiences. thats the difference about being on the ground and being involved in the local politics etc.. the people who are investing in off plan properties will never have to experience the beauracracy as its already been taken care of; they will never have to pay off mekedums and so on; these are nice and easy safe investments for people who do not wish to live here and go through it all; they are fully government backed and therefore easy with no nasty surprises. also, i holiday all over morocco and have friends from the desert to the mountains in many towns, they (the moroccans) are behind these developments and are certainly winning. investment here is very safe and positive from where i sit.

Why wouldn't you want to run into me, I'm a really nice person !

How long have you lived here ?

[Moroccan Property Hype]

Welcome Morockin

Interesting to hear a more positive take on the ground.

Some people cant get thier head around Morocco as a tourist destination, I recall exactly the same 15 years ago with Turkey ('oohh dont go there, they put you in prison and bugg£r you like in Midnight Express').

With 3 hour flights, a long season, huge unspoiled beaches, snow cappped mountains, exotic culture and deserts it has to be a winner.

I also like what the King and Government have been doing in terms of raising thier populations educational standards.

Tomorrows Dubai but with class not overblown chintz, half the flight time, much more diverse enviroment.

Talking to a freind who's been to Dubai many times and recently Morocco. He said the religious atmosphere felt more intense and opressive in Dubai.

'Positive' as in agreeing to agree.......

Morocco *is* as Tourist destination, who'd disagree with that ? Only last weekend were we in Marrakech - go there often in fact (Saidia? That's a totally different kettle of fish).

Dogbox, you talk out of your backside, Morocco isn't and will never be Dubai but with Class yada yada...... and it isn't even trying to be.

You show that you are nothing more than an armchair punter.

And to morockin, don't answer or can't answer ?

[Moroccan Property Hype]

The sort of people that holiday in morocco are certainly at the classier end of the spectrum, which is why the developments are geared towards the high end.

Really ??

You sound like a troll.

Where exactly in Morocco are you ??

[Morocco - My Next Target]

What is ********? I see no reason for dogbox to 'brick it'? We are slipping back to useless comments.

Well, which one would you believe ??

A Ramper who hasn't set foot in the country and believes an Agent's say so ??

Or someone who lives here, doing business here day in day out (and no vested interest) ??

[Morocco - My Next Target]

Some guys have been flipping thier LeJardinDeFleur penthouses. They paid £150000 early this year and I am told are now re - selling for over £200000, one agent said some have resold for £220000.

People who say Saidia prices are high have'nt grasped the significance of the site.

What a complete load of bullsh*t.

Of course, if I told you otherwise Dogbox, you'd not believe it - you only want to hear what you want to believe......

Dogbox is bricking it, needing to hype for all he's worth in order to get his money back, right eh Dogbox ?

[Morocco - My Next Target]

Adi

I thought it interesting that 30% of the top 30 threads on Channel 4s 'buying overseas' forum, concern Morocco.

Yes, of which your posts on them, as Thorr, make up approximately 80% there of...............

I said all along, and now others at long last are joining me - I detest ramping/flipping. You wouldn't like it done in your back yard, but are smug and selfish enough to play the part of exporting this great British pastime into a 3rd world country.

One of my many customers (Moroccan) very recently told me she detests Speculation. I felt ashamed on behalf of the brit brigade that I know on here to be aware of their plans for Saidia.

What a sad bunch of 'investors' you are.

P.S. BTW, Andy Welland is a Salesman that was his own words on his *very* first post on Morocco - in my experience NEVER trust a Salesman......

[Morocco - My Next Target]

This website is called housepricecrash

Probably like adibrown I find this thread assuming as this thread is biggest fish out of water i've ever seen and its compounded by some of the most ridiculous hype and 'sales talk' (the tunnel by 2008) I have have read.

OK this is the overseas property investment section, but all the same, its like everyone else left the back door open to pop down the shop and in snook dogbox et al and set up home in the spare bedroom.

Sorry, can you say that again in English ?

[Morocco - My Next Target]

Esmerelda. I think the reason Saidia gets a disproportionate numbe of posts boils down to one thing - it was the first of the 6 PLan Azzur sites to release prices. Most other reasons for this thread being so popular and there being a focus on Saidia come down to this factor. For instance, had Port Lixus been first people would likely have bought into it and be posting about it rather than Saidia.

Saw the Barcelo being constructed in July. It was huge ( not high, just wide.) My guide mentioned that it would be the largest in Morocco and that there would be a casino near reception (between its two wings.) Don't see any mention of the casino on link. Swim to bar sounds good.

I think you'll find the reason Saidia gets a disproportionate number of posts is that it boils down to one thing, Dogbox.

As is often the case, he is talking out of his ar$e about a place he has NEVER even visited (yet claims it's brilliant!).

Those in the know are just giving their experienced perspective (which Dogbox the flipper *has* to counter as he is bricking it)

Dogbox is on one mission - to flip a place (after all, who buys a villa in a country they've never visited, claiming it's for their holidays ?)

[First Foray Into Foreign Property]

There are 400 messages about Saidia, what else do you expect to be discussed about it?

Dogbox (or Thorr how he/she is known on other forums) will tell you that is the best investment and Biglog will tell you that it is a dump.

Please don't misquote me, I have NEVER said it's a dump. what I have said is that I fail to see the attraction of Saidia as there isn't anything there special.

I would also concur that it appears overpriced and I'd question whether you will be getting anything of any quality (I live in Morocco and believe me, our idea of quality and theirs are poles apart).

I'm with Scottishguy.