Friday, Feb 06, 2015

....and cities are greener than the Green Belt

FT Martin Wolf: The solution to England's housing crisis lies in the Green Belt

M Wolf writes that cities (with all their parks and gardens) are greener than the Green Belt, much of it under 'hideous' arable monoculture. Outstanding amenity? The Belts are rather sources of increasing misery as an ever-larger population is crammed into an artificially limited space. There should be a presumption of development in green belts unless the cost of new infrastructure exceeds the benefits. Developers should pay the local council for the additional infrastructure costs, and some combination of fees and subsequent taxes on beneficiaries should also meet the additional cost of public services. A tax on undeveloped sites would help to ensure that they are developed. Sounds like our own MW has morphed into....MW. (Non-subscribers - google the title if the link doesn't open it).

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1. mombers said...

Gotta love all of the comments about immigration. We have too many OLD people, how exactly do these people plan to 'control' the population? Shut the borders then slowly descend into an economy that is just a massive underfunded pension and healthcare scheme trying to wring as much out of a shrinking working age population?

Monday, February 9, 2015 09:46AM Report Comment
 

2. hpwatcher said...

We have too many OLD people,

Not sure 'OLD' people relate to the rapidly expanding population figures in any significant way. In an expanding economy, immigration is good, everyone wins; in a contracting economy, you have wage deflation and inflating executive pay - sound familiar?

Shut the borders then slowly descend into an economy that is just a massive underfunded pension and healthcare scheme trying to wring as much out of a shrinking working age population?

So what jobs do you think the migrants are going to do? They won't be skilled high paying jobs, they will be low paid, service type jobs and they will be going head-to-head with the existing work force and wages will continue to fall. There is simply very little wealth creation in the UK economy, the only thing that is increasing is the massive welfare bill.

Monday, February 9, 2015 10:49AM Report Comment
 

3. mombers said...

@2 The demand for low skilled carers for old people is going to grow and grow. Will Britons want to do it? Not unless you pay them a great deal, most people would rather do something else or sit on the dole. Judging by the latest 'older voter bonds' fiasco, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a 'guest worker' program for people to come here to look after the elderly. Already happening in Germany (http://www.dw.de/foreign-workers-meet-elder-care-needs-in-germany/a-16915979) Chances of 'pay for more expensive local care workers in exchange for a reverse mortgage or downsize' are not good I fear...
I agree re wage deflation btw - it has been horrendous for the low skilled and will probably get worse. Add in an ever increasing burden of taxes on labour and I thank my lucky stars I'm not in a low skill occupation. Fingers crossed that my job doesn't become commoditised!

Monday, February 9, 2015 01:05PM Report Comment
 

4. hpwatcher said...

@2 The demand for low skilled carers for old people is going to grow and grow. Will Britons want to do it? Not unless you pay them a great deal, most people would rather do something else or sit on the dole.

Foreign workers can work for less money for number of reasons; they are more happy to share accommodation with others to reduce their costs. They have little idea of the REAL cost of living in the UK and they don't tend to take a long term view of things.

I think you have a rather unfortunate pre-conception; which is that UK workers are lazy. That is, in my experience, simply not true.

Monday, February 9, 2015 01:49PM Report Comment
 

5. mombers said...

@4 I'm not saying that UK workers are lazy, I'm saying that in a tight labour market, people will be less likely to take jobs in care than other industries. At current pay rates, the calibre of people being attracted is not good, there have been horrific instances of neglect and abuse. Decent carers can't be printed like GBP :-)

Monday, February 9, 2015 02:12PM Report Comment
 

6. A Different Simon said...

Mombers ,

Only people who earn approximately twice the average lifetime earnings pay more in tax than they use in services .

Most of the immigrants we let in make a net negative contribution to the economy .


Isn't never ending immigration a Ponzi scheme ?


The people who suffer most are those Briton's who are only capable of lower paid work . Don't they deserve some protection from over qualified foreigners ?

Monday, February 9, 2015 03:21PM Report Comment
 

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