Friday, May 23, 2014
Government determined salaries
Government immigrant worker list
Our charming government seems to think that should salaries go above 27,000-29,000 a year for jobs such as engineering geologist, hydrogeologist, geophysicist , clinical neurophysiologist , chemical engineer etc, then that indicates a shortage that must be fixed with immigration. The fact that these salaries are appallingly low in the UK for the skillsets required might be why so many people are deciding to vote UKIP. As we all know, when the government fixes prices lower, you inevitably end up with a shortage. Who is expected to borrow 40K for a degree in chemical engineering? You would have to be nuts to do it.
Posted by stillthinking @ 01:32 PM (3380 views)
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khards says:
Before I agree what are the salary for those occupations in the rest of the EU & America? If the UK was paying less, then why would people consider moving to the UK with it’s high taxes, high cost of accommodation and transport?
If there are 10,000 unemployed Greek chemical engineers then what is the problem of them moving here? Surely it’s the cost of studying and accommodation in the UK that makes these jobs prohibitive at these salaries?
alan says:
My local Conservative MP says that the cabinet have lost touch with the ordinary family. On the other hand Milliband doesn’t know the price of his weekly shopping.
Time for our career politicians to go off on a long holiday, again.
Striebs says:
Alan ;
Remember Cameron , Osborne and Clegg have had no expenses spared educations at the best schools money can buy .
What are they doing while the stack of cards is coming down around them ?
Playing soggy-biscuit while England burns .
libertas says:
The main problem with Europe is that it is unaccountable. Non-democratic.
As Stillthinking said, Government have no role in private job markets. Any manipulation of wages, prices, etc. will cause shortages. Regarding immigration, the main issue is that immigrants should not have access to the welfare state and should not be able to vote until they are Citizens. But they actually get preferential access to welfare in many cases, due to “equal opportunities” and EU rules that appear to protect immigrants over and above locals, i.e. if you withdraw welfare from a Brit, EU will not care, but if you restrict access to EU migrants they can appeal to the Court of Human Rights.
britishblue says:
Libertas at 3. I agree. But unfortunately immigrants all get tarred with the same brush. Around 30% or my workforce areimmigrants. These guys tend to share rooms in houses and use lounges as bedrooms (as is common practice all across eastern europe). Therefore 100,000 extra immigrants in London do not use up the space that 100,000 increase in the indigineous population would. Most of the immigrants that i know hate the spongers as much as we do. Sorry, they hate them worse They think our givernments is crazy as generally those that are sucking on welfare have a better standard of living that those immigrantsthat work hard, are in multi occupation, dont have time to go to the doctors when they are ill because the are working. There is also the little side scam of dropping a couple of kids here, going to back to eastern europe and claiming on the UK social whilst building your own home there
rumble says:
“These guys tend to share rooms in houses and use lounges as bedrooms (as is common practice all across eastern europe).”
– So we’re not becoming Victorian, we’re becoming eastern european.
Striebs says:
You are right .
This policy certainly puts a ceiling on the starting salary of skilled jobs . Typical Govt market distortion .
Far better to let a shortage develop which will push wages up and send out a signal that people should skill-up for those jobs .
Seems even our children are not immune – immigrant teachers now .
Panda says:
The penny hasn’t dropped for many people, so if this is news to you, you aren’t alone.
I correspond with engineers from abroad. I’ve worked in Europe, and for quite some time and in various places. Sometimes this has been on very advanced projects. I have to say in response to this article that the UK is rapidly becoming a no go area for engineering and a CV jam packed with jobs in the UK is not a good thing to have. I face companies in the UK who have, and I emphasize this, grossly inadequate equipment and facilities, who are essentially run by the HR people. One astonishing thing is that now, employment agencies are beginning to contain people with higher qualifications and deeper knowledge than the company personnel that they are recruiting engineers for. This is an astonishing thing to have happened.
I don’t mind admitting that I am stuck here because of atrocious circumstances and relatively poor health, but aside from that, I really do feel like a loser in the sense that I am left here in the UK, and it is becoming all too clear that the talented and younger people have long gone.
Again, for emphasis, LONG since gone. The salaries in the area are surreal and so low that now, get this, special dormitory accommodation is often arranged by agencies. Yes, this is for software engineering, hardware development and even ASIC verification.
Think about it this way – why would a successful mixed signal engineer leave the secure first world environment of Europe and come to some dingey hole and the thoroughly dangerous world of Bristol or London? Exactly what kind of people are actually attracted to the UK?
Don’t you see now that this is only going to get worse – and have a disastrous effect on infrastructure development? And look what has happened with Iain Duncan Smith’s project.
I am very much afraid that this is only the beginning of the affair.
stillthinking says:
Of the many problems I have with it are: usually demand is in cycles and when the cycle ends it’s inevitable that the market is flooded causing unnecessary unemployment, that the government are currently borrowing (excessively) to stimulate the economy to the point that these additional workers are supposedly necessary but only domestic workers are liable for the debt, that the tax system assumes that families are present in the UK when those of immigrant workers are not and are thereby not liable to V.A.T. costs amongst many many other stealth taxes, that the ability to compete is tilted away from the UK worker due to the expense of degree education here,
and also of course that it is fiddling around repressing people’s wages.
Further, those salaries hardly represent critical shortages of the skills. It’s just wage repression and there is, rightly, a reaction against it.