Tuesday, November 22, 2011

Getting ready for WAR by the sound of it – More cost to UK taxpayer for oil

Treasury Set To Break Ties With Iranian Banks

"Iranian banks play a crucial role in providing financial services to individuals and entities within Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile programmes, as companies carrying out proliferation activities require banking services. "London is an important global financial centre and the UK's financial restrictions will make it more difficult for Iranian banks to utilise the international financial system in support of Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile programmes.

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29 thoughts on “Getting ready for WAR by the sound of it – More cost to UK taxpayer for oil

  • Of course there will be a war – there simply aren’t enough reasons NOT to have one.

    This is the continued ”clear sweep” or regime change as first announced by G.W. Bush.

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  • Before Christmas or over Christmas, with Israeli cooperation and support but not overt involvment…unless Morgan Freeman at the Whitehouse can’t keep a lid on the Zion Godbotherers. That said, who is left in the Arab world to upset that can actually do anything about it? The Saudis want this as much as the Jews.

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  • @1 and 2

    So you’re prepared to let Iran continue taking the p*ss over the real intention of it’s nuclear programme?

    If so, you’re no different to those who appeased Hitler in the late 1930’s.

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  • will they ever find the nuclear weapons , much like they found little or nothing in iraq

    iran holds huge amounts of oil – decent catch for USA and UK to control oil

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  • @Mark “will they ever find the nuclear weapons , much like they found little or nothing in iraq”

    It’s easy to claim that the nuclear programme is for non military use.

    I repeat, if we’re so naive as to accept the Iranian version we are acting no differently than those who appeased Fascism.

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  • past results regarding the USA and UK on war decisions have been found to be rather spurious

    who knows if iran is telling truth or western governments are, but after the war there will no doubt be another investigation and probably nothing will be found as in the past

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  • @Mark

    So we sit back and wait until our interests are under threat?

    If so, we really are naive.

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  • Have you been reading The Mail again, Mr G? I can only put my utter failure to notice all the striking historic parellels of Iran to Europe in the thirties down to the fact that such WW2 cliches are such devalued currency these days. Yep, it’s exactly like Sudetenland all over (yet) again. Gotcha, innit.

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  • mr g

    if you believe propaganda good luck to you

    whilst they should not have nukes, is it up to the world police to enter only countries with oil, what about other places which are just as threatening or cause more public misery or deaths to their own citizens ooh yeh forgot they dont have oil reserves so the world police dont give a sh$t

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  • general congreve says:

    @5 – Now, I am no supporter of the Iranian regime, I’m sure it is just as corrupt as the US, UK or Israel. I’m no fan of their theocracy either, because I abhor religion. But again, they are no less theocratic than the tearful god-blessed Yanks and the pure ‘Jewish State’ of Israel.

    Now, put yourself in the shoes of the Iranian’s as a proud nation. They are sitting on the world’s third largest oil and gas reserves. They have the US military on their borders in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia (a nation that also hates them) and Iraq. They don’t get on well with the unpredictable Pakistanis, who also on their border and possess nuclear weapons. Nearby India, who are courting Israel (who want Iran dead), have nuclear weapons too. There’s also the Russians to the North with Nukes who while a notional ally, may one day want their resources too. Not to mention the Chinese. Then there’s Israel, who love war, posses undeclared nuclear weapons, haven’t signed up to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and openly loudly declare they are chomping at the bit to attack Iran. Finally there’s the US, in full on economic meltdown that needs that gas and oil, in exchange for cheap bits of green linen from a compliant puppet government that toes the line.

    Wouldn’t you want a bit of insurance to protect your assets?

    Now, we keep hearing that they’re mad mullahs and they’ll nuke everyone if they get the bomb, that they have promised to destroy Israel and have denied the holocaust. None of it is true, it has all been twisted because no one hear speak Farsi. Ahmadinejad stated the regime of Israel must cease to exist, not the country. As for the holocaust, he questioned the Israeli misuse of its memory to justify and further the oppression of Palestinians. Logically, he’d hardly be helping the Palestinians or Hezbollah, or even his own country, if nuclear fallout was spread far and wide. Plus mutually assured destruction (MAD) would see the end of Iran anyway. It is exactly the MAD the US and Israel fear. Suddenly it will be check mate for them when it comes to their economic and geo-political ambitions in the area. Suddenly they’ll have to be civil, and they don’t want that.

    So, war it is, millions dead I expect and the possibility of Russia and China getting drawn into the third world war. And then we can all kiss our arses goodbye. All thanks to those greedy idiots.

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  • @Clockslinger and Mark

    I rarely read the Daily Mail and I’m more aware of history than most people, the analogy with the 1930’s is my own, not some hack’s. I’ve become immune to propaganda of any political persuasion after watching the left wing bias of the BBC for I don’t know how many years.

    I’m basing my comments on Ahmadinejad’s threats to destroy Israel (note I am not supporting Israel)

    Why rely on conventional weaponry when nukes would make the job far simpler?

    Anyway, none of this is related to HPC therefore I propose we change the subject!

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  • actually it is very much related to house prices as war with iran would be much more damaging to both public support of the government and public confidence let alone what other damage it could do to the wider world economy

    war with iran would not be easy

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  • much more damaging than war with Iraq i should have said

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  • @Mark

    I would agree with your comment at 3 but, if Iran’s intentions are military, do we sit back and let our interests be damaged?

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  • Sorry, that should have read comment at 13.

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  • what interests Mr G? OIL? GAS? or our day to day life and security within the UK?

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  • @Mark

    Aren’t oil and gas part of our day to day life and security in the UK?

    You already complain regularly in your posts about price increases therefore I’m sure you would complain loudly when energy prices went through the roof as a result of Iranian nuclear blackmail.

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  • general congreve says:

    @11 – Threats to destroy Israel?

    From Wikipedia – Translation controversy

    Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that “Israel must be wiped off the map”,[5][6] an English idiom which means to “cause a place to stop existing”,[7] or to “obliterate totally”,[8] or “destroy completely”.[9]

    Ahmadinejad’s phrase was ” بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود ” according to the text published on the President’s Office’s website.[10]

    The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement “wiped off the map” was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the “regime occupying Jerusalem”. Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, “the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time.”[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad’s statement should be translated as, “the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, “Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to ‘wipe Israel off the map’ because no such idiom exists in Persian.” Instead, “he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse.”[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as “this regime” must be “eliminated from the pages of history.”[14]

    Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran’s foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: “How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime.”[15][16][17]

    Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.[18]

    Ahmadinejad was quoting the Ayatollah Khomeini in the specific speech under discussion: what he said was that “the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time.” No state action is envisaged in this lament; it denotes a spiritual wish, whereas the erroneous translation—”wipe Israel off the map”—suggests a military threat. There is a huge chasm between the correct and the incorrect translations. The notion that Iran can “wipe out” U.S.-backed, nuclear-armed Israel is ludicrous.[19][20][21]

    The Guardian columnist and foreign correspondent Jonathan Steele published an article based on this line of reasoning.[22]

    In a June 11, 2006 analysis of the translation controversy, New York Times editor Ethan Bronner stated:

    [T]ranslators in Tehran who work for the president’s office and the foreign ministry disagree with them. All official translations of Mr. Ahmadinejad’s statement, including a description of it on his website, refer to wiping Israel away. Sohrab Mahdavi, one of Iran’s most prominent translators, and Siamak Namazi, managing director of a Tehran consulting firm, who is bilingual, both say “wipe off” or “wipe away” is more accurate than “vanish” because the Persian verb is active and transitive.

    Bronner continued: “..it is hard to argue that, from Israel’s point of view, Mr. Ahmadinejad poses no threat. Still, it is true that he has never specifically threatened war against Israel. So did Iran’s president call for Israel to be ‘wiped off the map’? It certainly seems so. Did that amount to a call for war? That remains an open question.”[13] This elicited a further response from Jonathan Steele, who noted that Bronner agreed that “map” or any other place noun had not been used and criticized this Wikipedia entry (as it was on June 14, 2006) for “claiming falsely” that Ethan Bronner had “concluded that Ahmadinejad had in fact said that Israel was to be wiped off the map”.[23]

    Ethan Bronner of the Jewish NYT says it was a definite wiping off the map though, so let’s INVADE!

    Just one last after thought, what if those sneaky Iranians already have Nukes and retaliate with them when attacked?

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  • Well good for all you Iran supporters, I hope you’re optimism is proved correct.

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  • Mr G we are not supporting Iran, we are just not supporting more war under false pretences

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  • Once upon a time Sold2rent1 regularly posted on this theme and was pretty much condemned as a nutter – some of his predictions are becoming more main stream by the day.

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  • general congreve says:

    @17 – Is it blackmail? Or is it just refusing to accept devalued pieces of linen at the end of a gun in return for your country’s limited resources?

    I’ll admit, I’m a complete hypocrite. Yes I want cheap oil and gas, but no I don’t want a war under false pretences so that we can extort that gas and oil at below market value, prop up the criminal state of Israel while we’re at it and potentially start WW3.

    But it’s going to happen and to hell with the consequences. I just hope Russia and China can leave be and that we don’t blow up Iran’s operational nuclear plants and spread even more radioactivity across the globe – such a move would beyond criminal.

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  • Nothing wrong with not wanting war but being naive is irresponsible.

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  • On a lighter note and going back to title of this article, are the treasury breaking ties because they’re not getting a good enough return from Iranian banks!?

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  • Mr G a fiver it is not about returns but readying for war

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  • mark wadsworth says:

    General C at 10, excellent summary, thanks, completely agreed, saved me the bother.

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  • Well I personally cannot wait for Iran to get a bomb. I always felt a real sense of anti-climax that long promised Nuclear nightmare of the cold war turned out to be such a damp squib. I had a ring-side seat living on top of Europe’s largest Nuclear weapons depot. I knew the fireworks were going to be good up our street when Armageddon kicked off. I’m sure you can imagine my disappointment when Peristroika and all that peace malarky became the modern fad. As my dear old Granny used to say “nuclear war will be mankind’s salvation from the hell of civilization” and “Ye cannie throw a jam piece ootie the windie of a twenty story flat.” She was dead right on both counts.

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  • general congreve says:

    @27 – Cheers MW.

    @28 – Tis true. Convential warfare has failed to but all but the slightest of dents in rapacious population growth, that will ultimately be our undoing. Perhaps a decent nuclear war will temper things. Saw a program on Chernobyl recently and most of the animals and plants are getting on quite reasonably in the dead zone now, it’s quite the wilderness by all accounts.

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