Friday, July 16, 2010

Finally, if it works, if not send them all to OZ

Ministers to end scandal of benefits claimants rewarded for staying out of work

The biggest shake-up of Britain's welfare system for decades will end the scandal of millions of people being paid to stay out of work.

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13 thoughts on “Finally, if it works, if not send them all to OZ

  • orcusmaximus says:

    About time. Of course a National Income scheme would be more effective, but hey ho.

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  • relevance to hpc?

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  • mken

    nothing these days seems to have any relevance to HPC , prices just keep going up along a new fork in the upward house price road.

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  • mark wadsworth says:

    This is excellent news, as it is a big step towards a Citizen’s Income scheme, esp. if combined with a higher personal allowance. All these were UKIP policies, of course…

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  • mken,

    Housing benefit payments are lining the pockets of private landlords and pushing up rents for the rest of us. Those landlords in turn have been supporting the market in the absence of FTBs. It’s been discussed on here before, plenty.

    If HB payments were reduced (as the govt is planning to do), then landlords would either cut their rents or sell up. This would be a win-win for the rest of us, as far as I can see.

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  • sibley's love child says:

    Exactly Drewster, i’m rather hacked-off forking out >50% of my net income for the sort of gaff that every other dole-dosser in my area are housed-in for nowt.

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  • @ sibley’s love child – Well said me too!

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  • Clockslinger says:

    Oh dear! Upset about your tax being two pence higher per year ’cause of all the scroungers are you? Well, I’m just a bit hacked off myself, only not about the poor sods on benefit. I’m afraid I’m rather miffed about all the millionaire tax dodgers with their off shore chicanery having a far bigger magnitude of a laugh at my expense, the earth raping multi nationals being let off with the equivalent of a 50p fine for their Buncefield catastrophe by their lackeys in the judiciary and the fact that their class are quite open about the fact that they are now answerable to no one. I pray in aid of the last point the performance of that arrogant little pencil neck Slack Goldsmith trying (but failing spectacularly) to undermine the intended interview with Jon Snow on Channel 4 news about his manipulation of election expenses. Well, HPC Tory voters, you wanted it. Oh yeah, now let’s wait for that house price crash payoff some of you imagined would be magically produced by the economic prudence of Spotty Osbourne and the plutocracy of the rich… and wait is all we will do, I’m afraid.

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  • clockslinger says:

    Go ahead HPC Tory voters! Get into your usual mutually appreciative frenzy about the 2p per year it costs you on your income tax to subsidise the lifestyles of the misguided poor. Feel better yet? Good.
    I’ll save my anger for the tax dodging multimillionaire scum that think they can have a laugh at my expense contributing nothing and not even being compelled to pay the correct penalty for the consequences of their poorly regulated business practices. I pray in aid todays news on the Buncefield “fine” and the performance of that repulsive little oaf, no doubt your muse, Slack Goldsmith, trying (and failing very publicly and pitifully) to front out the unflappable Snow on Channel Four news.

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  • sibley's love child says:

    @ Clockslinger

    Quite, but it’s much worse than that though isn’t it? It’s been debated to death on HPC how LHA effectively sets the floor for private rents. Max LHA in my Borough (for a two-bed house) is £813; it should come as no surprise that I, in turn have to fork-out £800 pcm for a similiar gaff. It’s one thing to rail against mass tax-evasion (£1.3bn per year was one figure I remember quoted); it’s another thing entirely to feel the injustice of competing directly with someone who has done nothing to merit their circumstance and in the process driving up rents.

    I may not be a Tory but i’m all in favour of their overhaul of the welfare state.

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  • the number cruncher says:

    Our economy is rich enough that every human could have a good roof over their head’s and every child could grow up without hunger, poverty and with good schooling, whatever the stupidity of their parents.

    The problem is that our whole economic system is based on the privatisation of economic rent. The solution to this problem, as the solution to so many problems discussed on this site, is Land Value Tax. To socialise the economic gains of our increased productivity through land values and to free productive work from taxation by the removal of income tax, NI and VAT.

    We would end up with more people in productive employment, high productivity and better housing for all.

    Loose the jealousy and anger – such hatred is really bad for you, dont blame the poor sods who are too stupid or lazy to get a job, blame the real B*sterds who are scr*wing you, that’s the landowners and politicians who insists that hard working productive people pay the rich landowners and bwankers a huge fee for the right to live in our own country.

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  • thenumbercruncher,

    “Our economy is rich enough…”
    The only reason it’s rich is because some of us are working hard.

    I have plenty of fury for landlords, but the benefits system rewards them through housing benefit. If we remove this artificial prop to landlords, we’ll all be better off. Realistically I can’t see LVT ever being implemented. Let’s fight the fights we can win.

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  • the number cruncher says:

    Drewster

    If you think about what Ricardo’s law means, you will realise we will never win, whether there is housing benefit or not.

    Take away housing benefit and what do we get:

    Mass poverty with kids dying on the streets. Yes in the short term rents would go down as would house prices at the bottom end of the market and this would force some people into work.

    You would think that this then brought down your rent, but you would be wrong.

    In the long term that money not spent on HB would go into your pocket as a productive member of society and force up the house prices and rents of what you where after and you would end up in the same position. I suppose a few sick B*sterds would feel a little superior by taking pleasure from seeing the street children freezing to death in the winter.

    You would also get more crime and other social ills that would make your life a lot worse without housing benefit and force you to move to a better area where you would pay high rents to landlords/banks.

    Ricardo’s law, the principle that economic rent goes to landlords(banks) means you are locked into position whereby the majority of your surplus income will be given to landlords(banks) if you want to share in the use of land(or any privately controlled finite resource) for a house or business.

    Lets cure the disease and not just offer short term relief of a symptom!

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