Friday, June 18, 2010

Better cap all wealthy and talented people to go to UK………

Thinking Cap

Official data show that the number of non-EU economic migrants employed in the UK is falling - down 76,000 last year compared with the year before. Some sectors of the economy are already complaining that they cannot fill key vacancies. At the moment, the only non-EU economic migrants admitted into the UK are those with enormous wealth, enormous brains or with specific skills in areas where Britain has an identified shortage.

Posted by simon68 @ 10:02 AM (1666 views)
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22 thoughts on “Better cap all wealthy and talented people to go to UK………

  • Misses the elephants in the room – the people who arrive on student visas and never go home, and those who come in as spouses, partners or ‘close family’.

    Can we trust the statistics on immigration? I’m far from sure we can..

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  • “At the moment, the only non-EU economic migrants admitted into the UK are those with enormous wealth, enormous brains or with specific skills in areas where Britain has an identified shortage.”

    Bullsh!t. There are plenty of non-EU economic migrants here. Many of them enter on student visas then over-stay. Others are sponsored by family members (and if you come from a country where families have 12 children and 35 uncles, and everyone has the same surname anyway, then it quickly adds up). Others come in via dodgy marriages. Some enter as asylum seekers. Some enter on forged or stolen identity documents, and some simply enter in the back of a lorry.

    Just to give a simple example, there’s a Turkish kebab shop not far from where I live. Turkey isn’t a war-torn country, so they can’t be refugees (they aren’t kurdish, I’ve asked). There isn’t a specific skill shortage in selling kebabs. So how did they get in?
    Or consider some of the poor immigrant neighbourhoods, e.g. Sparkbrook in Birmingham. Local unemployment is 31%. Evidently they have neither enormous wealth or specific skills. (Source for figures: BBC)

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  • mark wadsworth says:

    What UT and Drewster say.

    The whole debate on immigration appears to completely miss the point. There are clearly hundreds of millions of people in the world who would love to come to the UK, for whatever reason. Our country is not particularly well run, but it’s still in the top twenty per cent of “nice places to live”. And we have the luxury of being able to pick and choose who comes in or not and chuck out the ones we don’t like. It must be obvious that there are clearly “good immigrants” who should be welcomed and “bad immigrants” who should be turned away. Even the BNP would be happy accepting “white ethnic British” people from abroad (I think).

    Quite how we set and enforce the criteria (and how we ensure that immigrants integrate or at least assimilate, which most of them do and always have done) is another topic, and inevitably we will let in a few baddies and turn away people who would have made a positive contribution, but when you are dealing with hundreds or thousands or potentially millions of applicants every year there will be “wrong” decisions, that’s as can’t be helped.

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  • Sibley's Love Child says:

    Quite Drewster, I used to recruit junior office staff for an agency (South London); a high proportion of applicants would be BME, what I found most staggering was the number that held ‘Highly Skilled Migrant’ visas. If you’re that highly-skilled, what on earth are you doing on seven quid an hour. To be honest, I find the ‘we might lose out on all those highly-skilled migrants’ argument to be a little disingenuous in this context.

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  • Afterall, this is the case of bad money drives out good money.

    Illegal economic migrants won’t leave despite you don’t want they come in.

    Wealthy and talented people won’t come in and you don’t want them to come in, that fair enough.

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  • To: Sibley’s Love Child

    I’ve got your point. Perhaps, there isn’t any need for highly-skilled migrants in UK. If you are a scientist (be it bio-tech or nuclear energy disciplines) you better go to America or China.

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  • Even if you’ve got a Phd Degree in Nuclear Engineering & have been granted a highly skilled migrant visa; you would probably end up in the loo working as cleaner in UK.

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  • Sibley's Love Child says:

    @ Simon68

    Doesn’t # 7 contradict # 6?

    After all, if there was such a skill-shortage in such niche industries, wouldn’t these boffins be ‘snapped-up’. However, you’re conceding that this isn’t the case so what point is there of applying for a Visa here?

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  • TO: mark wadsworth

    Where is your source saying UK is one of the worlds’s best place to live?

    As far as I know, UK has been kicked out of the best list for ages but in the worst list since 2008.

    http://images.businessweek.com/ss/10/05/0526_best_places_to_live_2010/1.htm

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  • “Some sectors of the economy are already complaining that they cannot fill key vacancies” … for a pittance, you forgot to say.

    We have enough able bodies people with enough brains to do everything that we need doing here. All thats missing is MOTIVATION and thats partly due to immigration pushing down wages and partly due to our absurdly generous benefits system.

    If cheap skilled immigrants were not an option then industry would be forced to offer decent pay and decent training.

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  • simon68,

    Those rankings only measure cities by the standards of high-level corporate executives. They tell us nothing about life in the middle or at the bottom of society. Low earners in poor countries often have no clean water source, squalid accommodation, and no access to healthcare. Educational opportunities for children are few. The chances of dying at an early age are far higher than in the UK. No matter how bad we sometimes perceive the UK to be, it’s a lot safer than many places in the world.

    I recommend watching the recent BBC Three series, Blood Sweat & T-Shirts / Luxuries / Takeaways, for a glimpse into the working conditions in third-world countries.

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  • @Drewster “I recommend watching the recent BBC Three series, Blood Sweat & T-Shirts / Luxuries / Takeaways, for a glimpse into the working conditions in third-world countries.”

    Never mind watching the BBC, go to certain parts of Bradford and Dewsbury and see it at first hand.

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  • It is not the British who has been misguided but the illegal immigrants who misled by the smuggling gang about the real situation in UK.

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  • To: drewster

    Are we in a beauty contest or beast contest?

    I am sure there are lots of underdeveloped place in the world worse than UK. However, if you compare with other western countries (such as Australia or Canada) I don’t think UK is attractive.

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  • The reason the EU guys have gone home is because contract rates have dropped and the pound has dropped.

    They will not work for low wages.

    Unfortunately, we must.

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  • There is no shortage of Labour.

    Employment agencies pander to the preferences of clients, although there is no intelligence in their preferences.

    Someone from overseas who can forge his credentials and references is much more likely to get a job than an honest person who is trying to upgrade his pay-grade.

    One of the key governers of success in employment is to have just finished a similar contract or (better) still be in employment.

    Unemployment and apparent inactivity is like leprosy.

    Idiotic labour ministers go on about “we need skilled immigrants in the UK”.

    I can’t believe they are socialists, as we all want to get into well-paid work (like them).

    No, we don’t want to see an illegal immigrant or a quite nice European in our job. We want work, we want a life.

    Why would Labour Ministers promote the destruction of our prospects?

    The first thing I would do if Prime Minister is examine all the credentials and job-references of high-earning public sector staff and get the £billions mis-paid back by suing them.

    Equally, consultants who pander to silly request from clients in order to keep milking the government, should be banned from employment by the public sector.

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  • “I am sure there are lots of underdeveloped place in the world worse than UK. However, if you compare with other western countries (such as Australia or Canada) I don’t think UK is attractive.”

    not the best examples i could think of…. beauty is in the eye of the beholder…. g’day mate.

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  • To: Sibley’s Love

    My point is there is a wrong perception that UK is excellent in technologies and industries but the fact is government sapped funding for nuclear power project. The mistake is that boffins chose the wrong country but that doesn’t preclude him to go elsewhere, perhaps China.

    “One of the most high profile casualties of the Treasury’s review of pre-election spending is an £80m government loan to Sheffield Forgemasters to support Britain’s civil nuclear supply chain.”

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  • To: titaniccaptain re: comment 15

    Unfortunately it doesn’t work here. For politicians and governments the biggest the lies the more successful you are.

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  • Sibley's Love Child says:

    @ Simon68

    Ah, I misunderstood your stance.

    My view is that, by and large, immigration does little to benefit the UK other than create a surplus workforce handy for suppressing employee bargaining power.

    However, you’re saying that actual skilled migrants (of which surely there must be very few proportionally) are being woefully underutilised due to underinvestment in particular industries?

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  • sibley's love child says:

    Test

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  • To: Sibley’s

    You don’t have to be a genuine to find a high pay job. It is like stock market investment, when the market is booming everything is rising up even rubbish company shares.

    China spent and continues to spend trillions in sustainable energy projects including nuclear power plant. There are plenty of opportunities for professional engineers. Take an example of accounting profession, there are only 140,000 qualified accountants in China (member of Chinese Institute of CPAs) but the demands of accountants is more than 2 millions.

    Although pay for labour work in factories is low but professional is not. The remuneration for professional accountant role in China is slightly more than those qualified CPAs in Hong Kong since exchange rate for RMB is higher than HK dollars.

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