Friday, April 16, 2010

Well – What did you lot think ?

Election TV Debate

We bantered here a short while ago about how Vince Cable performed, tonight his partner in crime seems to have come out on top aswell. The electorate seem to want a change. Could the Lib Dems really turn this around and judging by the opinions of the electorate that watched combined with the fact most would prefer to see VC in No. 11 could they win the election ?

Posted by str 2007 @ 12:15 AM (1970 views)
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24 thoughts on “Well – What did you lot think ?

  • Actually thought Broon did rather well considering, and Cameron was very disappointing. Nothing on HPC, nothing substantive on handout tourism from within the EU, usual B***ks by all three on deficit etc.

    Interesting the response of the great unwashed to Clegg – I guess when he went in people had zero expectations so anything plus was a bonus. But he said nothing of any import. Not entirely surprise he won but would be surprised if anyone remembers anything he said tomorrow.

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  • Nick Clegg was the clear winning in my opinion. He appeared fresh, vibrant and realistic, unlike the other two, who just seemed to be trotting out the same old rubbish.

    I’ve not seen the viewing figures but I’m guessing they were quite high. If we get another two shows like this then the probability of a hung parliament is likely to increase as the average undecided man on the street will vote for who he believes in the most.

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  • I think a lot people went to bed marginal Tories, and have woken up this morning Lib Dem.

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  • Well montesquieu, I must consider myself the great unwashed in your eyes.

    I thought Clegg did come across with something a bit different and this time around I think it’s what the electorate want.

    With the added bonus of someone (VC) who people consider trustworthy of economic decisions and that’s important in this election.

    This is the first election where the ‘internet’ in it’s various guises could have quite an effect on what happens.

    From my point of view I hope the Lib Dems will surprise all from an underdog position to snatch a clean victory without a hung parliament.

    And if they don’t what does it say about our electoral system when after last nights performance (and Vince Cables they other day) that they don’t get into power.

    Further their basic policy of no income tax on first £10k will make the majority (on here aswell) better off.

    And with regard to this site Vince Cable is at least realistic about the house Price Bubble and IMO is most likely to ‘gently deflate’** it.

    ** It appears you’re not allowed to use the word pr1ck. – what’s the world coming to.

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  • “the fact most would prefer to see VC in No. 11”

    I suspect that most of the electorate don’t know who he is.

    If we get a high turnout I can see Gordo doing it – GHUA! However, it will be interesting to see how the questions and performances get refined over the next two weeks.

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  • “It’s not the number of votes that count but rather who counts the votes” so said Uncle Joe:

    We will have a Tory government that will be dictated to by the banks and BIG business because the Tory’s are who banks and BIG business want in power: Anyone who believes their votes matter needs a reality check:

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  • Cameron should have done better, Brown could have done worse. Clegg played the ‘divide and rule’ card well, and also got away with the old Libdem ploy of ‘anything you want, we want it too..’

    The Labour and Conservative strategists need a faustian pact to attack Clegg on specific issues, during the remaining debates..

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  • Wernerburger says:

    Cameron didn’t pick Brown up on his most telling comment..

    Brown kept insisting that the NI reduction would remove £6B from “the economy”, therefore Brown believes the economy is just the public sector.
    This is the big difference between the parties. Brown wants to move another £6B from the private sector to the public sector to spend. Cameron wants to leave it in the private sector for them to spend.
    Don’t know why Cameron doesn’t want to highlight this difference but probably because more than half the workforce works for the government these days – well at least until after the election whoever gets in.

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  • Clegg’s a clever operator and should not to be underestimated

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  • I think Clegg did play up the crowd a bit too hard with the closing piece mentioning all questioners in the audience and their question (would have been impressive if he hadn’t refered to his notes for their names and questions).

    As for most of the electorate not knowing who VinceCable is, well timne will tell, but I think a fair proportion of the electorate will now at least be sitting up and listening to what the Lib Dems have to say.

    There’s alot of dissatified voters out there, whether it be because Brown hasn’t performed or they don’t want Eton toffs running the show or are p155ed with the expenses scandal and general political bickering and broken promises.

    All of the above Lib Dems come out on top.

    Personally I think there could be a huge shift towards real change providing Nick Clegg and Vince Cable perform and bring forward some genuinely well thought out policies and don’t fluff up on their numbers.

    At leat if they did get in they’d introduce Proportional Representation which would mean your vote for whoever did count wherever you lived in the UK – that’s got to count for sometinhg.

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  • str 2007 I really, really hope you are right. If election night ends up as same old, same old then some time the following day I will wake up screaming. If we don’t get change through the ballot box now we never will, leaving strikes and insurrection as the way to go.

    Can you imagine Hazel Blears and Jackie Smith being re-elected with solid majorities? Aaargh!

    On QT last night Nigel Farage came across poorly, illustrating the difficulty of being a minor party. By contrast I think you are right Clegg (and the gig of course) made the Lib Dems appear to be major players.

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  • tenant super says:

    I didn’t watch it but have read all three manifestos and feel unable to vote or express support for any of them. I like lots of lib dem policies (on drugs, mental health, judiciary, prohibiting unfair charges from banks and utilities) and I’m sure Clegg did well but that doesn’t change the fact that those who describe themselves as social liberals support the welfare state (which is already completely out of control and unaffordable), higher taxation and increased public spending (remember cutting waste is more easily said than done especially when a culture of inefficiency is so indemic in the system and the people who work in it).

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  • ts

    You don’t have to vote for anyone, but if you want your vote for a minor party to count in 4-5 years time then the only party that will introduce Proportional Representation for you this time around are the Lib Dems.

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  • i didnt watch all of it, one of the reasons being i cant stand that alistar whatsisface, i saw about half an hour, then i had to go and re-arrange my sock drawer.

    Anyway, I thought that Clegg did well really, even better than i thought. I thought he would do well since he can always just say that both of them have promised everything over the years and look where we are now (i assume he will save that for the final bout).

    Cameron was Mr. Anecdote and did badly i though, even though he was silky smooth (which may not be a good thing) there was no substance. Of course the tories dont have the books to sift through which MAY be a legitimate argument (maybe MW will tell us otherwise) .

    Gordon was erm Gordon – nuff said really. All in all, to me it really makes it more likely that the Lib Dems will resonate more with voters so i agree with Doomwatch.

    But as TC says, you always wait till near the end of the round to come out with your “bombs”- the third debate will (if the parties have any sense) be the only ones worth watching as by then the gloves will be well and truly off….. hopefully!

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  • The viewing figures were around 9 million (way down on the 19m some were anticipating) as a consequence David Dimbleby has now been replaced by Ant & Dec and the programme re-branded election factor. The candidates will also now face a vote off from a panel (Simon, Cheryl and Piers).

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  • I don’ t understand why Vince Cable is considered to be our economic saviour were he to become Chancellor by whatever means. True he can’t be any worse than Badger and enough said about Boy George.

    Cable’s claims to economic competence are based on his career as a Treasury Finance Officer to the Kenyan Government from 1966 to 1968, Chief Economist at Shell from 1995 to 1998 and his so called prescience of the financial crisis described below, the rest of his career has been spent as a politician and in academia, none of which inspire me with confidence in his abilities.

    Cable is credited by some with prescience of the Global financial crisis of 2008–2009. In November 2003, Cable asked Gordon Brown, then Chancellor, “Is not the brutal truth that … the growth of the British economy is sustained by consumer spending pinned against record levels of personal debt, which is secured, if at all, against house prices that the Bank of England describes as well above equilibrium level?”

    I reckon that many contributors to HPC would have been as prescient as Vince was in 2003 with regard to Brown’s “miracle economy”

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  • mr g – but at least VC said that which is far more than anyone else did. His moral standards certainly seem to be higher than the other potential No.11 residents. If the Lib Dems don’t make significant progress this time I don’t think they ever will. I think it depends how many are prepared to vote for them rather than not vote at all. I certainly think they came out on top last night, but more because of the dislike of the other 2. I’ll be voting for them this time around which will be a first for me. I just wish they had someone with more ability to inspire the voters, so people would vote for them because they wanted them to win, rather than because they want the others to lose.

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  • @timmy t

    Didn’t Clegg not do that for you last night, inspire you? He did for me so time to get out the vote.

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  • Reluctant Heretic says:

    I think that they should adopt the Jeremy Kyle format with DNA tests, lie detectors, free therapy and trial by angry mob. Yeah – that would pull in the crowds!

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  • vacuouspolitician says:

    Having watched last night lets hope that Clegg continues to do well. Cameron and Brown were flat as old beer…nothing new to say…promises promises. Yawn. As always these two promise you the world and will never deliver…they just give you false hope so that they get a spell ‘in charge’.
    Here’s to a hung parliament with Clegg and Cable…can’t be any worse than tweedle dum and tweedle dee.
    Two fingers to the city. Jar Spoon Spoon Jar.

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  • letthemfall says:

    Vince Cable didn’t just predict the problems, he voiced his predictions in public. Nobody here did that (I presume). His qualifications are less about his experience than the quality of what he says.

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  • @LTF “Vince Cable didn’t just predict the problems, he voiced his predictions in public. Nobody here did that (I presume). His qualifications are less about his experience than the quality of what he says.”

    I assure you this isn’t a personal criticism LTF but surely, that speaks volumes insofar as a lot of the contributors to HPC do nothing but spout a lot of hot air and tosh.

    Without wishing to sound a smart alec, it was patently obvious to me that the UK economy was built on sand back in2003.

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  • mr g
    Perhaps you’re right, but then what else is the purpose of this forum? We all pretty much believed the same; but that does not undermine a politician who said as much several years ago. Courage of convictions, out on a limb, and all that.

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  • @LTF ” Courage of convictions, out on a limb, and all that.”

    Yes, I’ll agree with you on that.

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