Friday, Dec 04, 2009

Has Mr Shapps thought about this?

HIP Consultant: Conservative Home Information Pack policy to stall property market?

It does sound as if this policy has quite severe potential consequences if not controlled properly. Certainly, i would consider delaying my house sale if i thought it would be beneficial to me. The problem is can we trust politicians to manage the housing market? based upon historic information one must question this. Anyone for the property market halting even further?

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1. crunchy said...

HIPS, the costly inconvenience that nobody even looks at. It's a solicitors job.

Double Bubble tiol and Trouble!

Friday, December 4, 2009 01:29PM Report Comment
 

2. crunchy said...

toil, even.

Friday, December 4, 2009 01:31PM Report Comment
 

3. Dill said...

Also a means of restricting supply!

Friday, December 4, 2009 01:55PM Report Comment
 

4. down wave said...

HIP, just paid out for one. Even the energy inspector said that they are an utter waste of money and time and that the outlay from a family's monthly income is often too heavy to contemplate. I have looked at the dam thing, it says nothing, is useless to any prospective buyer.

Just another one of the thousands of Nu Labour laws thought up by a bunch of un-educated zip heads that burden the tax payers.

One of the problems with NU labour is that they are too thick to be able to work out the consequences of their action, consequencies that are a burden to everyone.

Nu Labour are detested by any thinking man or women even when that person is on tyheir payroll.

Friday, December 4, 2009 03:09PM Report Comment
 

5. crunchy said...

4. down wave said..."Just another one of the thousands of Nu Labour laws thought up by a bunch of un-educated zip heads that burden the tax payers."

We've just had a rather long thread about the very same subject. lol What does your solicitor think of these wonderful must haves?

Friday, December 4, 2009 03:40PM Report Comment
 

6. Deepdoubledip said...

down wave said...

"... I have looked at the dam thing, it says nothing, is useless to any prospective buyer"

there are some useful bits of information in a HIP. For instance how many square meters a house is. In all other countries I know people tend to state the square meters/footage in the description. In the UK they just count the number of bedrooms which in newer properties are the equivalent to shoeboxes.

Never an estate agent has been able to tell me on the phone how large in m2 a house is! At least with a HIP you can find out.

It is also good to find out about the area, how the development came about etc. You can also see who really owns the property. When I see Northern Rock I tend to put the chickiest of offers.

Friday, December 4, 2009 04:12PM Report Comment
 

7. mark wadsworth said...

The HIP idea is basically an EU thing, but Nu Labour added loads of bells and whistles.

Friday, December 4, 2009 04:41PM Report Comment
 

8. down wave said...

I have just received the Energy Performance Certificate

" the fuel bills are likely to be (for 96 Metres square:-
Estimated energy use, carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions and fuel costs of this home
Current Potential
Lighting £48 per year
Heating £1,068 per year
Hot water £185 per year
Carbon dioxide emissions 7.9 tonnes per year
Energy use: 466 kWh/m² per year" (Multiply this by 96 m2)

NOW:-

Weight conversion metric and imperial, how to convert from o...
1 kilogram (kg). = 1000 g. = 2.2046 pounds. 1 tonne (t). = 1000 kg. = 0.9842 ton . IMPERIAL. UNIT. IMPERIAL EQUIVALENT. METRIC EQUIVALENT. 1 ounce (oz) ...

AND:-
Combusting coal or oil is ca. 60% efficient in recoverable work from heat. Electricity generation and transport is ca. 90% efficent, reducing overall efficiency to 54%. Accepting 50% efficiency, converting using mechanical equivalent of heat, British thermal units to cals, to Joules, rechecking using ergs per individual moleules in combustion, taking ( c1H1)n for coal (it's ca C2H2 for oil in kcal /mole)
we get "130g" carbon per kwh.

So anyone here that can use a calculator will arrive at the same conlusion about Government CO2 propognda, please do your sums and I will read your comments and get back to you all later tonight. What I can tell you that thius EPC is a certificate of introverting bullsh*t

Friday, December 4, 2009 05:01PM Report Comment
 

9. crunchy said...

7. down wave said..."Carbon dioxide emissions 7.9 tonnes per year"

Can you tell me how they can calculate that, as the weight of CO2 emissions would depend on the amount of occupants and age of those residing in the said property and how active their social lives were.

Perhaps we will have breathing meters fitted to our mouths. I can understand a concern for CO emissions, but I am having some trouble with understanding how a natural gas that the planet actually needs for it's very survival can be such a threat to us all.

If there is any text clarifing this ambiguity on the pack I would appreciate the education. I await to be enlightened.

Surely there must be more to these new packs than pure cash generation in these financially challenging times.

Friday, December 4, 2009 05:58PM Report Comment
 

10. estrader said...

@8 I think it is all the extra CO2 humans generate other than through respiration.

Friday, December 4, 2009 06:05PM Report Comment
 

11. smugdog said...

Utter garbage that nobody, yet nobody cares one jolt about, buyer beware each time every time.

Friday, December 4, 2009 06:19PM Report Comment
 

12. down wave said...

8. crunchy said...

The Government figures are based on the number of square meters of floor area and the height of the ceiling. A percentage rating for each positive or negative energy saving/not saving device in the property, eg. loft insulation, double glazing, energy light bulbs. Operating a busy whore house or even if there is only one geriatric occupant dependant on an Oxygen bottle makes no difference.

I have just received the full HIP, it is absolute expensive rubish. Everything on it is available in the public domain for a few £'s. In fact I had everything required on my computer regarding the Land Registry documents. Whats more is; I provided them with most of the information on the form I was required to complete.

I am still waiting for some smart person to confirm my 30second calculation on the total CO2 tonnage based on the Government figures above Please?

For the British public to accept and pay for a HIP, well all I can say is that we are all being robbed by Nu Labour's laws making us pay for absolute rubish.

Friday, December 4, 2009 06:43PM Report Comment
 

13. cynicalsoothsayer said...

Looked at a home report recently that said the house was a Blackburn Orlit built in 1968, yet *all* Blackburn Orlits including this entire estate were built between 1950 and '52. When looking round the owner said the home report had valued it at over £200k, yet the number I read in the report was £175k.

Friday, December 4, 2009 06:57PM Report Comment
 

14. crunchy said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpWa7VW-OME

10. smugdog said...Utter garbage that nobody, yet nobody cares one jolt about, buyer beware each time every time.

Future carbon related taxation may impede on your ability to service a mortgage and, or lifestyle. I think it might be worth looking into a little further. It may be of interest to you to look into where the money generated through these new taxes goes.

With all these recent bailouts taxation seems to be the flavour of the future and as long as one sees signs of doubt in this area plus signs of falsifying data which has been admitted to now, one should have the responsibility to ensure the best action is taken to protect earth, if indeed it requires such aid. HPC has a record of thinking for itself and not always listening to certain experts.

Long may it continue. Your future house will be built on this planet and your children born to it.

Friday, December 4, 2009 07:05PM Report Comment
 

15. crunchy said...

11. down wave

Thanks for that humorously spiked report. LVT? Stamp duty? It's all getting quiet confusing as to how this will pan out with specific regards to property.

Friday, December 4, 2009 07:17PM Report Comment
 

16. down wave said...

I am still waiting for confirmation of my sums, here is how I did it, is it correct?


The EPC data: 95 Sg metres of house x 466 kWh/m² per year x 130 grams = My XXX tons Per Annum figiue; Or is the EPC figure of Carbon dioxide emissions 7.9 tonnes per year correct?

Friday, December 4, 2009 07:26PM Report Comment
 

17. down wave said...

That should be 96, not 95.

Friday, December 4, 2009 07:27PM Report Comment
 

18. phdinbubbles said...

@down wave
Your EPC calculation is remarkably similar to the description I found here
"That's a longish calculation. Combusting coal or oil is ca. 60% efficient in recoverable work from heat. Electricity generation and transport is ca. 90% efficent, reducing overall efficiency to 54%. Accepting 50% efficiency, converting using mechanical equivalent of heat, British thermal units to cals, to Joules, rechecking using ergs per individual moleules in combustion, taking ( c1H1)n for coal (it's ca C2H2 for oil in kcal /mole)
we get 130g carbon per kwh.
or- and chris/labrat caught out my last mistake we get for CO2, multiply by 44/12 we get 480g CO2 or say half a kilo per KwH for what it's worth. "

Strange thing is, you seem to have missed out the last sentence - something to do with the molecular mass of a CO2 molecule compared with the atomic mass of a single carbon atom, if the distant memory of my a-level chemistry from 17 years ago serves me right.

I'm not that sure about these calculations - not my kind of thing really and I think my wife would like to spend some time with me now that I'm home, but I'm struggling to understand why you only plagiarised part of somebody elses work? I'm a bear of little brain you see - I'm still trying to work out what introverting bullshit is.

Friday, December 4, 2009 08:34PM Report Comment
 

19. devo said...

is this the real life?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2HpR-eEPgk

get a job
get a girl
(get a house)
get a life

where did it all go wrong?

Friday, December 4, 2009 10:03PM Report Comment
 

20. down wave said...

17. phdinbubbles said.....

.............I'm a bear of little brain you see - I'm still trying to work out what introverting bullsh*t is.

Well let me tell you, it is exactly what you have done above, created a smoke screen called me an idiot covertly, not answered my question, possed yourself as a top ape, confused other readers and made a feble excuse to cover up your words.....i.e. "and I think my wife would like to spend some time with me now that I'm home"

Now I have just dicovered one more thing about you and this is for everyone to see here: you used the word Bullsh*t whereas as I copied your words into this blog it would not allow me to post unless I changed your "i" for "*".

Friday, December 4, 2009 10:11PM Report Comment
 

21. devo said...

christmas on hpc starts here

coventry carol - the cambridge singers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1khUv74ETHs

peace and goodwill

Friday, December 4, 2009 10:22PM Report Comment
 

22. phdinbubbles said...

@down wave
"possed yourself as a top ape,"

Am I the one that copied and pasted something somebody else has written and tried to pass it off as my own and then left a bit off because it didn't fit with my prejudiced view?

"un-educated zip heads that burden the tax payers.", "One of the problems with NU labour is that they are too thick to be able to work out the consequences of their action, consequencies that are a burden to everyone". "Nu Labour are detested by any thinking man"

You are the one that posed yourself as top ape by describing others as being thick, and describing (presumably) yourself as a thinking man. I'm not trying to pass myself off as anything - just pointing out the obvious flaws in what you've been saying - seeing as you were challenging everyone else. I'm certainly not defending labour or HIPs by the way.

"Now I have just dicovered one more thing about you and this is for everyone to see here: you used the word Bullsh*t whereas as I copied your words into this blog it would not allow me to post unless I changed your "i" for "*"."

That's a priviledge extended to illuminati - and those that can think of a way of getting past the swear filter by inserting html tags.

What is introverting bullshit anyway? Please explain.

Friday, December 4, 2009 11:42PM Report Comment
 

23. phdinbubbles said...

that should say privilege, before I'm torn to pieces

Friday, December 4, 2009 11:49PM Report Comment
 

24. phdinbubbles said...

Ok, so let's do the sums then.

"The EPC data: 96 Sq metres of house x 466 kWh/m² per year x 130 grams = My XXX tons Per Annum figiue; Or is the EPC figure of Carbon dioxide emissions 7.9 tonnes per year correct?"

Given that I've found the source you quoted from and it actually says 480g (of CO2 rather than just C), then 96m² x466kWh/m² x480g/kWh = 21.5 tonnes (the EPC is in metric - you've quoted a conversion to imperial tons and stated 'My XXX tons' which is plain daft given the EPC figure is in tonnes) per year.

Is that the answer you were looking for?

"So anyone here that can use a calculator will arrive at the same conlusion about Government CO2 propognda, please do your sums and I will read your comments and get back to you all later tonight. What I can tell you that thius EPC is a certificate of introverting bullsh*t"

I await your reply.

Saturday, December 5, 2009 09:53AM Report Comment
 

25. phdinbubbles said...

"source you quoted"

Sorry for the mistake. It should of course read "source you plagiarised"

Saturday, December 5, 2009 09:59AM Report Comment
 

26. phdinbubbles said...

I'm still waiting for your reply down wave.

Saturday, December 5, 2009 11:47PM Report Comment
 

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