Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009

E-poll go and have a vote

Times Online: E-Poll: Is the downturn in house prices over?

As of 08.59 in answer to "Is teh downturn in house prices over?" there is a 81% NO vote
Seems to suggest bears are not in hibernation but out there is FULL force

Posted by sybil13 @ 09:02 AM (1078 views)
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1. smugdog said...

Sybil, the Halifax post above seems to paint a different view.

We can all have an opinion in a poll; however, few of us have any influence over its actual content, perhaps only a desire.

Which would you prefer to own? A helicopter or a luxury yacht?

I would prefer and vote for the luxury yacht, yet I'm unable to afford one, not just yet anyway.

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 09:26AM Report Comment

2. happy mondays said...

@ smugdog, the Mary Celest is something you should think about when buying your yacht..

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 09:37AM Report Comment

3. mark wadsworth said...

Damn. I meant to say "the EIGHTY per cent of people who live in towns and suburbs occupy less than five per cent of the surface area".

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 09:56AM Report Comment

4. happy mondays said...

@ Mark W, i have always felt we are in some sort of Twilight zone, when it comes to Government behaviour or housing..lol

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 10:01AM Report Comment

5. mark wadsworth said...

I have voted.

Those others who post here saying that we have entered some sort of parallel universe are probably right. The dominant Home-Owner-Ist ideology is now completely in control of everything (e.g. Tories getting the taxpayer to pay for old age care so that people "don't lose their homes" and the Tories and Labour competing to promise "council tax freezes" are but the most recent examples).

And whatever contradiction you confront them with, they have yet another contradiction/lie to counter it.

e.g. Q - would you like to be able to afford a bigger house?
A -Yes
Q - So wouldn't it be a nice idea to allow more homes to be built?
A - No, because that will reduce the value of my house
Q - Is 'home-ownership' A Good Thing
A - yes
Q - so why not allow more houses to be built so that more people can become home-owners.
A - but what about the Hallowed Greenbelt.
Q - barely a tenth of the UK by area is developed, so eight per cent of people who live in towns and suburbs occupy less than five per cent of the surface area. Does that change your mind?
A - no, because we have to preserve as much farmland as possible in case there are food shortgages if there is a war or something
Q - food ain't a problem. The UK could easily be self-sufficient in food if we adapted a bit. All I'm talking about is freeing up maybe an additional one per cent of the UK by area, which would enable another five million houses to be built over a decade or two. Would that be so terrible?
A - So you just want to concrete over the South East then? More housing will "put pressure on local services"
Q - Nope. Houses don't use local services, people do. But people also provide local services, so it all cancels out, doesn't it?
A - Britain is a crowded island and we are full.
Q - I'm not talking about immigration (separate issue, I think we do have far too many of the wrong type of people coming in) I'm talking about the young people who can't buy a house and start a family.
A - When I was young, I saved up responsibly and bought a house. Today's generation can do the same.
Q - Yes but when you were young, we were building houses like topsy and they were relatively cheap.
A - that's free markets for you
Q - no, housing is not a free market. The NIMBYs have seen that new supply is choked off to nothing.
A - Don't call me a NIMBY! We have to preserve the Hallowed Greenbelt for future generations. It is our Sacred Duty.
Q - but future generations would prefer to have houses that were 50% cheaper, even if that were to make food 1% more expensive.

and so on ad infinitum

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 10:06AM Report Comment

6. happy mondays said...

Now that is weird, i posted 4 in reply to 5 definitely twilight zone !

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 10:15AM Report Comment

7. mark wadsworth said...

@ HM, true, but at least I got my correction in at 3 before my full rant at 5. Heck knows where this comment will end up.

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 10:18AM Report Comment

8. britishblue said...

MW @ 5 Brilliant!

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:17AM Report Comment

9. rumble said...


"Sybil, the Halifax post above seems to paint a different view.
We can all have an opinion in a poll; however, few of us have any influence over its actual content, perhaps only a desire"

We can all point to an (Halifax) article; however, few of us have any influence over the actual outcome, perhaps only a desire.

Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:38AM Report Comment

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