Monday, July 13, 2009

Higher Taxes if it isn’t Green

Make Your Home Greener or Pay Higher Council Tax, Government says

"Those who do not have double glazing or insulation would be hammered under proposals drawn up by an environmental pressure group which will be considered by ministers. They want the punishments to be brought in alongside 'green mortgages', under which homeowners can apply for loans to spend on energy-efficient equipment such as new boilers and even solar panels". (A useful move, stealth tax or just more politicking?)

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19 thoughts on “Higher Taxes if it isn’t Green

  • How old is Ed Milliband? He looks about 17.

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  • happy mondays says:

    But acts like his 71.

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  • tyrellcorporation says:

    A bit harsh on 71 year olds HM!

    Funny, we haven’t heard a peep about the saving the planet over the last 18 months. In fact the world has been plunged into a orgy of borrowing just to try and get back to the un-sustainable levels of growth which, we were told ad nauseam, was going to destroy the World and civilisation as we know it. Ahhh, the irony.

    Recently GB has started to re-introduce ‘green issues’ into his rhetoric. This is a prelude to a new wave of green taxes aimed at filling the tax chasm that has opened up under the Treasury.

    Global Warming ( soon changed to Climate change when they realised Earth wasn’t universally getting hotter), has always been a ‘convenient untruth’ with the amount of warped statistics reaching fever pitch about 2 years ago.

    As deficits climb across the globe, I expect the tax screw to be turned harder in the coming years and we’ll be made to feel more and more guilty about pretty much everything (the weather, driving too fast, eating too much, drinking too much, flying too far, etc) whilst at the same time being told to spend on cr£p we don’t need and buying more food, cars, holidays, etc.

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  • It is so typical of this government to contemplate such a petty, nannying, bureaucratic idea…

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  • Just to clarify, government advisers have said this. Not the government.

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  • Mrperegrination says:

    So renters will have to pay more council tax because their landlords wil refuse to spend money ‘greenifying’ the property. What a stupid idea.

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  • In principle, this seems like a very good idea. All steps towards reducing our CO2 emissions are a good thing.

    Some of you on HPC are so grumpy and cynical (uncle tom) that anything the government does must be a bad idea! They’ve made plenty of almighty cockups, but give them some credit when they do something positive.

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  • He’ll be 40 on Christmas Eve. He looks about 35 I reckon.

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    Back on to the subject – I think that the idea of coercing the general population towards a greener lifestyle is admirable, however I believe utilising taxation is a crude way to go about it ( it could be a great way to get the ball rolling, but such levies are notoriously sticky ), after all this will most encourage those who either can ill-afford to incur further charges against their selves and those for whom this excess means the most, this may not be the same set for which change would make the most sense and for some the incentives may even outweigh the benefit ( hard to judge this impact in advance however, I feel ).

    I think we need to look at the causes of differing attitudes across different locales in order to produce the desired results, and I would not be surprised at all if the root lay in the education of the very young, far over and above any financial incentive.

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    Sadly, I also think TyrellCorp has a valid point ( and the fact that this advice is being publicised could just be to get the public used to the idea and to propel debate in order to judge public opinion ).

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  • refusetobuy says:

    Green issues are just a way to increase consumption.
    If you ban CFC’s everyone has to go out and by new fridges
    If you ban lead from engines, everyone has to modify their engine or buy a new car
    etc.

    Not saying green is bad. I’m just cynical about the timing of the green push.

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  • refusetobuy says:

    Sorry, my point was it’s about increasing consumption. Tax breaks will have to be given to green projects, so the increase in taxes will come from more business in general, not from people buying green.

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  • Enough Already says:

    And how does my tax save the planet then?

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  • So if you rent a house and it is deemed to be non-green and is liable to higher council tax, who pays the extra ? The landlord or the tennant ?

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  • my thoughts exactly wage slave.

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  • refusetobuy says:

    If the landlord doesn’t pay for the upgrade you move and rent from a landlord who does

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  • george monsoon says:

    Why is it that the really bright pearls of wisdom are thrown into this blog and completely ignored, or overlooked..

    Enough already said “And how does my tax save the planet then?”

    Love it!

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  • Aidanapword says:

    @14 refusetobuy …

    I don’t think so. The cost of moving (in monetary terms alone) is in the hundreds of pounds (at least 300 GBP for the lettings agents fees alone!). And the cost to me personally (and my working time/energy/pressure cost) is substantial too. The muppets in the tax department (‘squeeze every last drop’ dept) will simply increase council tax by 10 GBP per month, coin it, and leave all of us facing *another* ‘move now and take 10 years to recoup the costs’ conundrum.

    And why would an increase in the velocity of transactions going the LA/EA books be a good thing? More excuse/scope for them to rip people off.

    *sigh*

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  • In Jap Unc style, I re-submit below a comment I originally made in July 2006 regarding one possible use of the energy rating contained in New Liebours compulsory HIP:-

    .”………Will the next step be to penalise those of us living in a less energy efficient homes by a surcharge on the council tax ? Will we then have the suited council inspector knocking on our door telling us that we have to increase our loft insulation to at least 12″, fit double glazing, install cavity wall insulation, rip out a perfectly good central heating boiler and replace it with a condensing type, all at a cost of several thousand pounds (that the individual will never recover in energy savings during their period of ownership)……”

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  • Heard the latest rumour from No 10?

    El Gordo is training up for Double Glazing Salesman for his new job from Spring 2010…….

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  • letthemfall says:

    tyrellcorp: “Global Warming ( soon changed to Climate change when they realised Earth wasn’t universally getting hotter), has always been a ‘convenient untruth’ with the amount of warped statistics reaching fever pitch about 2 years ago.”

    I’d no idea you were a climate scientist.

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