Tuesday, April 7, 2009

Idiot sloanie with simplistic thinking.. oh and there’s Kirsty too!

Kirstie Allsopp: no-nonsense, enthusiastic and exactly as she comes across on TV

What makes me ill is that this awful creature and her cohorts have taken their London-centric views and transposed them all over the UK - "There is a brief suggestion that we go to a café, but then she decides that we may as well just go to her house in nearby Holland Park" - "...the Honourable Kirstie Allsopp discovers that she is locked out of her two-floor flat as the nanny has taken her sons for a walk.." - "It is a property show for the credit crunch...accused of puffing up the property market and encouraging us to buy houses we couldn't afford. This makes Allsopp cross.." - "Not a single person who has appeared on the show has found themselves in trouble. We have only ever been responsible..." - "Stamp duty is unbelievable. Then you have VAT on agent's fees..."

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23 thoughts on “Idiot sloanie with simplistic thinking.. oh and there’s Kirsty too!

  • george monsoon says:

    I think it is a bit unfair to hate Kirsty for who she is. She represents the mindset of millions of people up and down the UK who are completely oblivious to the mechanics of economics. She shouldn’t be held to blame for her low IQ, and blinkered approach to property porn. After all, Kirsty is just a prostituted puppet of the society we currently live in and she will undoubtedly feel the pain of its collapse much more than those of us who have been expecting it all along.

    I pitty her and people like her. As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

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  • inflation is eating my savings says:

    the tinkle of money

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  • I’m not so sure George.

    Whichever way you cut it, she got it spectacularly wrong. She swore on TV to eat her hat if property prices in the UK ever went down. They did and she didn’t. I think its too easy to assume that everyone’s been affected equally by the property crash. The effect her ramping of property has had on a largely unquestioning public has a hidden cost.

    The debt overhang (which will need to be repaid – there will never be a debt amnesty because those debts are someone’s assets) encumbered on the British public will impoverish us and prolong any economic recovery for many years to come.

    I’m astonished that the media still give her the time of day. She openly displayed anger at this very website and claimed that the FSA should be investigating the site because of vested interests (STRs) ‘talking the market down’ here. This alone is an eye-wateringly hypocritical accusation to make in light of her recent stance on the property market.

    Not only did she get it wrong, she got it spectacularly wrong and sat there in denial until reality bit her large behind. Irresponsible is frankly not the word.

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  • shining wit says:

    george monsoon @ 1 said…

    “I think it is a bit unfair to hate Kirsty for who she is. She represents the mindset of millions of people up and down the UK who are completely oblivious to the mechanics of economics.”

    So the millions of people who had low IQ’s and cared little for human rights and supported Pol pot, Hitler, etc, are excused because they folloowed the mindset that was accepted in their day.

    People have to realise that 20% + year on year as a return for simply servicing a mortgage is not only economically suicidal but is greed personified.

    This stupid witch thinks that solicitors, etstae agents and other service industries connected to the property market should be exempt from taxation. She consistently quoted that their wouldn’t be a property crash worse than the 80s/90s crash. Farcical !

    She is nothing less that a property whore.

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  • “If people put off moving then they also put off having babies, and getting married, and of course that is going to have a profound effect on the economy.”

    Kirstie and Bryony.

    Onto the Bonfire of the Vanities with them.

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  • still renting says:

    @Paul

    Well she does have a point about the VIs on this site, (which means almost all of us, as I think most of us hope to buy a cheaper house as a result of the crash). It is a little hypocritical of some on hpc to complain about other VIs talking the market up.

    @shining wit, not that it really matters, but why is the link marked times online when it’s links to the telegraph?

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  • “I wonder if she might next like to go into politics, given her passion for it”

    Obviously the journo didn’t see Krustie’s mad cow appearance on BBC Question Time last year. Moooooooo. Get down
    to Devon.

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  • need-a-crash says:

    She is worried that people are no longer buying. “If people put off moving then they also put off having babies, and getting married, and of course that is going to have a profound effect on the economy.”

    I totally agree Kirsty, but the only reason people many, many people have put off buying is because they’ve been PRICED OUT of the market!

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  • I agree wholeheartedly with you Paul

    Still renting: How can you defend that corporate f*** sl*t? If I said all that to the public and that if I was wrong I’d eat my hat, I’d bloody well do it.. why hasn’t she? Why is she still allowed to have a voice? How can anything she says have any credibility??????

    Does my head in. She’s deserves to live on the streets and nothing more

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  • Wake up guys. Heavy inflation is about to wipe out any further falls in nominal values, just look at the nationawide / halifax data on actual values for the last crash (not adjusted for inflation), there you will see the reality. The graph on the front of this site is very misleading (dodgy axis, adjusted for inflation). If you have saved a deposit, now is the time to get in. Unless you’ve got the balls to pile into gold, you might as well buy a house, it will perform better than your -5% ‘Real’ APR savings in the bank once the devaluation of global currencies gets under way.

    Anyway, this won’t get through because this site has an unhealthy bias.

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  • shining wit says:

    still renting @ 6.. “but why is the link marked times online when it’s links to the telegraph?”

    Sorry in a rush and got it wrong, my apologies.

    With regards to the VIs you mentioned that proliforate this site, most of them want a home and not an investment opportunity nor a way of earning extra income from HPI.

    The trouble with people (ok old property whores) like Kirsty is that she sees nothing wrong in persuading people to ‘get in quick’ or ‘make an offer above the asking price’ – She appears to be oblivious to her part in the process of ramping property and seems to think that it’s just the government (who just happen to be of a political colour she doesn’t like) taxation that makes things difficult.

    She is of the sort that would’ve, in the past, turned her nose up at things like education for all, health care for all and the welfare system in it’s entirity. As the recession gathers pace she is also going to start whinging about the losses she and all the other people who continually maintain that you can’t lose with regards to property are taking.

    I do wish channel 4 would drop this woman (preferably from the top of Centrepoint!)

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  • still renting says:

    @watchman

    I’m not trying to defend Krustie, I can’t stand her either. The sad fact is that the drivel she talks has influenced thousands to buy homes they couldn’t afford.

    The point I was trying to make is that we should bear in mind that we are mostly VIs ourselves, before accusing others of being driven by ulterior motives. In the case of Kirstie and her ilk, I suspect most of them actually believe the crap they are spouting.

    @shining wit

    I agree that most here want a home, not a magic money generating investment. Indeed, I’m in the same position. But that does still give at least give the appearance of a conflict of interests when we’re talking down the markets. That doesn’t mean we can’t continue to give our opinions that house prices have a long way further to fall, just that we should be aware that our opinions are not necessarily more valuable than anyone elses. (Except, of course, that we’re right. :o) )

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  • shipbuilder says:

    6. still renting said…

    “Well she does have a point about the VIs on this site, (which means almost all of us, as I think most of us hope to buy a cheaper house as a result of the crash). It is a little hypocritical of some on hpc to complain about other VIs talking the market up.”

    You’re buying here into the idea that high prices are ‘normal’. The high prices are the bubble, an abnormality. Hence the market can only be ‘talked up’, it can’t be ‘talked down’ – falling prices are a return to the mean, a return to normality, a natural, inevitable occurance no matter what anyone says. I don’t care about getting a ‘cheap’ house, just a reasonably price one.

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  • still renting says:

    @shipbuilder

    No I’m not. There is no “normal” level for house prices. There are several ways to calculate what might be considered a “sensible” average price, based on long term trends or multiples of average income, or equivalent rents. During the course of a cycle, average prices can move a long way above or below what is “sensible”, but there’s no tedency for them to stay at the sensible level for any length of time.

    If you think that now the bubble has burst prices will return to “normal” you’re deluded. They are most likely to fall for a while, probably to below the long term average, stagnate for a bit, then begin rising again. The end of one cycle is the beginning of the next, or so it has always been up to now.

    And frankly, if you think that the market can only be talked up, not down, then you’re an idiot. Why should that be true of housing, when it demonstrably isn’t true in other markets?

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  • shining wit says:

    still renting @ 11 said…

    “But that does still give at least give the appearance of a conflict of interests when we’re talking down the markets. ”

    It’s not a conflict of interests still renting. There ain’t no conflict. I want property prices to FALL by another 30%. Tuff t!tty if you beleived your 2 up 2 down in surrey was worth 350k. I just don’t care.

    I am completely and utterly sick of the way the property market works in the UK. Created by a nest of vipers. Banks, politicians, VIs of all shades – RICS, estate agents, and property pornstars, all designed to keep us CHAINED to debt forever.

    I bought in the 80s and sold in the early noughties and am seriously thinking of taking may capital abroad where there is at least a semblence of sense with regards to what you can buy without selling your soul to the devil. The money lenders were bad enough in the past but recent times they have become nothing better than pimps! (and Kirsty and her type are their whores)

    Am I a vested interest – bleedin right, I want to buy a home and stay there, and I don’t even own a vest.

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  • still renting says:

    @shining wit

    I like it. There’s no conflict, but an alignment of interests in our case. We want house prices to fall, so there!

    Regarding your last statement, I have a confession to make: Not only do I own a vest, I’m wearing it right now.

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  • george monsoon says:

    BTW…. I really don’t like Kirsty, but I think some of the venom from our bloggers is a bit extreme..

    She is a dimwhitted puppet who has not helped our situation at all, but she is just a puppet, with no discernable free will of her own. Completely blinded by a job for which she is undoubtedly paid well and obviously doesn’t want to upset that apple cart.

    She will suffer.. and suffer hard in the next few years.. I don’t think we need to attack her because she has made a rod for her own back and once the public turn (which they will) pitchforks in hand, she will go running for the hills.

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  • Happyrenting says:

    George @ 16: Wonderfully put!

    Apart from their new “cardboard HQ”, what got me going about their latest bout of Location, Location was the whole ‘revisiting couples we found homes for 2+ years ago’ thing. Anyone tuning in 20 mins into the show, who fails to see the “Filmed in 2007” caveat, could be fooled into thinking that it’s business as usual (usual for Phil & Kirstie!) and NOT that they’re turning back the clock. At best, this is [email protected] television and we might as well watch the endless repeats. At worst, this is veiled ramping and nothing short of criminal. The idea that people would contemplate paying £40,000 ABOVE the asking price now is completely insane (it was just insane back then).

    There can’t be many more series lined up… I see Kirstie’s now moved on to flower arranging and wallpaper design…

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  • holding out says:

    She will suffer.. and suffer hard in the next few years.. I don’t think we need to attack her because she has made a rod for her own back and once the public turn (which they will) pitchforks in hand, she will go running for the hills.

    Once this happens it will be interesting to see how many dinner party invitations she receives from the Camerons. Greater love hath no man than this, than to lay down his friends for his life.

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  • shining wit says:

    Vest wearers of the UK unite and declare your interest in seeing property protitutes and pimps banished to the Silly Aisles !

    Interesting that this steroid filled woman can still raise our interest (i should declare here that I posted the article and would gladly light the tinder beneath here funeral pyre).

    On the day that 900 RBS losses jobs have been announced (with 4500 in the UK) we should all take a few moments to actually thinjk what this property bubble and the credit/debt crisis that was at it’s core, has done to damage ALL of our economic futures.

    It’s a sad and sorry fact that our politicians, of almost all shades, are a complete bunch of merchant bankers who know nothing about how to run a modern economyor democratic country. We waited 18 years to change from the woeful Tory lunacy, only to replace it with a bunch of faith denying, war mongoring, boom and busting, half-blind, pocket lining, brown-nosing fools.

    Still we have the wonderful prospect of a bunch of class-a taking, public school going, bryclream hair wearing sycophants to look forward to………Now where’s my passport!

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  • shipbuilder says:

    13. still renting said…

    “No I’m not. There is no “normal” level for house prices. There are several ways to calculate what might be considered a “sensible” average price, based on long term trends or multiples of average income, or equivalent rents. During the course of a cycle, average prices can move a long way above or below what is “sensible”, but there’s no tedency for them to stay at the sensible level for any length of time.

    If you think that now the bubble has burst prices will return to “normal” you’re deluded. They are most likely to fall for a while, probably to below the long term average, stagnate for a bit, then begin rising again. The end of one cycle is the beginning of the next, or so it has always been up to now.

    And frankly, if you think that the market can only be talked up, not down, then you’re an idiot. Why should that be true of housing, when it demonstrably isn’t true in other markets?”

    As you say, prices always return to near the long term average – I wasn’t implying that they would stay there. This is a natural occurence, caused by the market attempting to return to equilibrium, but of course you know that – it can be affected, but not prevented, hence why ‘talking down’ is irrelevant. The boom is the abnormality and the bust an inevitable return – this is simply the point I was making. But thanks for the insults anyway, they always lend weight to a point.

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  • Talking the market up or down has very limited actual affect on prices, IMO.
    When house prices where accelerating sharply between 2001-2004 it was simply because of a combination of 3 things
    1. Government policy
    2 Availability of cheap and easy credit.
    3. The FTB being replaced by hordes of frothing at the mouth BTL speculators.(encouraged by krusty,phil & beeny and others).

    Thats what drove prices up to the silly peak of 2007.Talking the market up would have had minimal affect, same as now with prices falling due to the Financial crisis i doubt that talking the market up/down makes much differance in this climate, the falls will continue no matter what we say.
    Krusty and her ilk just don’t like us because they are so desperate for it to stop/stabalise and start rising again.

    As for Krusty saying:
    “Not a single person who has appeared on the show has found themselves in trouble. We have only ever been responsible. We stick within budgets. We never force anyone to buy anything. To say that a television programme watched by four million people could have such an influence is just silly.”

    How do we know that is 100% true, anyone they helped onto the property ladder who only had a small deposit since 2004 is now sitting with Negative equity that will grow and grow over the next few years.

    Shining Wit

    Are you looking forward to the footy on saturday?
    “Come on you irons”

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  • shining wit says:

    sold out …..

    “”Come on you irons” – You’ll be blowing them bubbles out you’re Assetz by 5pm Mr Out !

    I wonder which team Kirsty supports?

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