Friday, September 26, 2008

Give it a rest guys

Give it a rest guys

Malct and Stevie Dee, you have posted twelve articles so far today and they are all about the general economic problems, not about house prices. The general economic problems are important but this is is the House Price Crash website. If I want to read about the general economic crisis I'll read the Economist. Please be a bit more selective about what you post.

Posted by monty032 @ 11:59 AM (3028 views)
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116 thoughts on “Give it a rest guys

  • Great Post Monty. 😉

    No, I won’t refrain from posting articles relevant to HPC!

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  • I don’t agree, the current financial and economic is very relevent to the direction of house prices.

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  • To be fair most economic problems have been created by HPI and the toxic debt usd to fund the bubble.

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  • monty032, part of me agrees with your point, but we are in the here and now and events are moving fast and on an unprecedented scale. These events HAVE influenced house prices, ARE influencing house prices and WILL continue to do so for many years.

    Those who stare at the nose on their face are likely to walk into a brick wall.

    no offence intended.

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  • HPC == “Its the Economy Stupid!!!”

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  • Monty. I echo your sentiments. Unfortunately the New World Order conspiracists are unlikely to listen. They know few people read the crackpot conspiracy websites so try to takeover those which are mainstream and widely read. Of course in the procress they drive away the readership they hoped to reach and kill the site.

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  • Monty,

    I agree that the economic stories are on the periphary of our remit here, but they are not insignificant to future house prices.

    I totally agree with you and Buctootim about the conspiracy rubbish.

    I don’t know what provokes the fantasists who can’t separate fact from Hollywood; that makes them so evangelical about bombarding other sites with their fruitcake theories, but I know I’ve had more than enough of them…

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  • Inflation, Asset bubbles, easy credit – are the cause of the current economic problems – and are also the cause of crazy house prices what more related topics do you want

    Sun: Chav downt road can’t get mortgage

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  • @buctootim

    These conspiracy theories should be aired for public debate and are definitely relevant here because they involve the economies within which our beloved housing market exists

    I think that while it may feel to some people like it’s killing the site, these views actually enhance and promote it to others like myself

    It’s a shame to me that people are so closed-minded

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Don’t worry Malct. Monty doesn’t understand that this analysis of current affairs will let us analyse the news items that follow. He probably believes that the housing market is the economy. No, the housing market follows the economy. It will take a whole year or two for this to show up in general price inflation, and the impact of these events will affect the housing market for over a decade. So this analysis is absolutely key.

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  • I do agree that some of the conspiracy stuff goes a bit far. However I also believe that anyone who does not want to understand the wider economic issues that actually cause the housepricecrash may as well just read the monthly halifax/nationwide figures and the press.

    These things are the key drivers, the actual reasons for the crash. The stock market bouncing up and down; the availability of mortgages; the way things are communicated to the buying public; credit markets and derivatives; interbank lending & LIBOR; central bank funding and interest rate policies. (not exhaustive, just examples).

    All of these are critical.

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  • Bit sad if all we can talk about is house prices, folk on here are interested in all factors that can affect house prices and the economy is up there. Thanks for posting Malct – keep up the good work.

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  • From the telegraph article
    “The 40 per cent lending tier did not exist six months ago and has been introduced as a result of the credit crisis”
    I take this to be some consensus among the lenders as to the level of value reductions mortgagees are facing.

    If you have 40% equity ( or can put up 40% deposit) you probably won’t be facing neg-equity, and we will lend to you.
    If you dont have 40%, you will be in neg-equity to please go away!.

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  • i’ll echo that

    i actually don’t mind the economic stuff as firstly, I am shitting my pants about it and secondly, of course it affects HP as if there is no financial sector as we knew it then… well, it’s obvious what that means

    when it crosses the line into deranged conspiracy it’s irritating. Hey, it’s a free country (although it doesn’t feel like it) and who am I to say that they can’t write what they like

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  • Yeah – I want to read about the suffering of estate agents.

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  • @monty032

    I sympathise and I am also a bit fed up with the truthers and conspiracy theories but in fairness to malct and some other well known posters, the blog policy is pretty wide open to interpretation. If your posts aren’t totally off topic and not removed by Fubra then you can argue that you are on topic. Perhaps spamming the blog is better than censorship?

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  • No -one said the economic context doesnt impact on housing. The original poster simply requested people be more selective. But hey – lets post every article we can find which mentions ‘finance’, ‘credit crunch’, ‘taxation’ or ‘interest rates’ – shouldnt be more than 300 articles a day. Obviously no-one will read it -but at least everyone has excercised their freedom to post.

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  • @theboltonfury

    “it’s a free country (although it doesn’t feel like it)”

    That suggests you feel like you’re being controlled… but by who? lol

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  • The macro-economic stuff is important, but I’d those posts a lot more seriously if they came from reputable sources and there was a bit less of the NWO, monatomic gold, water powered car, calleman, elliot-wave, end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it stuff. I respect the people’s right to write things that I think are nonsense, but I also wish they’d do it somewhere else. For example, does the Fed running short of one particular type of gold coin really shed much light on the future direction of UK house prices?

    (end rant)

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  • “give it a rest guys”

    Are you kidding? The credit/debt bubble is expoding before our eyes and the events that are unfolding are without precedent in world history, how can you even think these have no bearing on house prices?

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  • Quiet guy: ” Perhaps spamming the blog is better than censorship?” Interesting question.

    Voluntarily moderated sites dont have the capacity or desire to censor. They rely on posters using self restraint and good judgement. There cant be more than 30,000 or so articles each day which mention taxtation, credit crunch, interest rates or unemployment. Lets all post away and see how long the site lasts.

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  • Lets put it like this. Latest non HPC posting at 12:10 from thetruthseeker.com. From their random ‘Essential Reading’ list is an article that would have us belive that the US triggered the Asian Tsunami with a nuclear bomb or two.

    Interesting, but part of surfing the internet is sifting the wheat from the complete b******s. Articles from sources like this makes this task harder. Monty is right – we do need greater selectivity.

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  • i am weak and have come to accept it. 🙂

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  • For goodness sake’s, house prices are inextricably linked to all this. If you can’t understand that, reading the economist is not going to help you either.

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  • You have to ask how many interesting posts and discussions it’s possible to have on the narrow subject of house prices. There’d be two or three posts per day and they’d elicit few comments that said anything fresh.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Still Renting, the Fed running out of gold means that gold price is being suppressed so far that the coins cannot be made with sufficient profit to keep the mines and mints going. Gold price isn’t about gold price, it is about the value of fiat currency. Running out of gold reveals extreme manipulation of gold prices, suggesting that devaluation and inflation are about to go crazy, suggesting that interest rates are about to explode, plunging house prices. Presumably, it will be LIBOR, not base rates that soar, and these can be suppressed with even more liquidity, which, eventually, will feed through to Weimar style hyper inflation. So yes, a shortage of gold coins is extremely important.

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  • While I have little patience with conspiracy theories and Mayan predictions, I think we are in the middle of quite extraordinary events – the housing crash is intricately linked with current economic events, as indeed will be the direction of the housing market.

    I for one am happy to read news and mainstream commentary on this and am kind of ok ignoring the 10-20% of posts that fall into real crackpot territory.

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  • george monsoon says:

    This is the ONLY site on the net that provides me with “in depth” information and argument around the world economy. Yes this site did start out as a vehicle to promote over inflated house prices. Have we already forgotten that it was the mechanism for generating inflated house prices that has now failed and given rise to all the economic turmoil that is affecting every person on the planet.

    It started with house prices but it has become so much more… I am fascinated – guys, keep posting on here, I read them all every day with interest.

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  • and i wouldn’t bother reading the economist because, like the rest of our shoddy media they just report the news,no insight.

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  • Look – there’s a clear difference between broader macro-economic stories, which are from reasonable sources with evidence behind them and the truthseeker/prisonplanet pap we’re all subjected to ad infinitum by the mentalists out there. Conflating the 2 is intellectually dishonest. I’ve given up on this site, as it’s now just a home for p4ac and s2r1 to tell each other how right they are. Anyway, if p4ac’s right anyway, we’ll all be dead soon so it doesn’t really matter.

    p4ac:

    “I had a look at the page, and, I was the 666th person to view it, and this is the first I heard of the terrible news. This agreement certainly has the mark of the beast. So, the bible prophecies are to unfold. Yes, make sure you are in gold and silver, but also make sure that you are right with God, Jesus, your heart, whatever you happen to believe in. This is it folks.”

    s2r1:

    “The dots are Calleman/Lungold, Armstrong, Kondratieff, Fred Harrison, Robert Prechter, Oswald Spengler, 600 year gold graph, Elliott waves, 300 year debt graphs, 300 year stock graphs, 9/11, energy suppression, hemp suppression, bogus MM global waming, chem trails, drugs suppression, food/water poisoning, 2012 (or 2011), secret societies, religion, ancient civilisations, UFOs, Hollywod movies, monatomic gold, electromagnetic energy, water powered cars, consciousness, metaphysics, God etc etc etc………”

    Effing mental.

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  • How about the poster must explain how the article is relevant to house prices in the UK (unless obvious). Could add an extra box for this?

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  • monty032 If you hadn’t noticed admin often removes irrelevant or controversial posts. This argument is tiresome. You can read whatever parts you like and some are removed even before you get all angry and bothered. I hope we don’t get to a stage where this site considers anything that goes against the state media’s version of events as a conspiracy theory. It seems clear that some posters here are determined to believe anything they’re are told, just so long as it keeps them feeling safe..

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  • 16. planning4acrash said…
    Still Renting, the Fed running out of gold means that gold price is being suppressed……blah blah blah.

    This is the problem in a nutshell. A few nutters take a single issue (the Fed temporarily running out of a one type of gold coins because of higher than usual demand) and extrapolate that out to suppression, conspiracy and Weimar republic style inflation.

    I used to come to this site daily. Now its more like once a fortnight. Its becoming more like the Sunday Sport for serious analysis.

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  • @monty032 – Mate we’re way beyond HPC here pall, and to ignore or not post the rapidly changing global finance stories is akin to putting oneself in a bubble – thus missing the ‘bigger’ picture. So IMO these posts are highly relevant.
    @buctootim & UT – get over yourselves.

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  • p4ac @1.12pm – given the extent of manipulation of the gold price are you happy to stick with gold? Is your view that there is a limit to this manipulation and that when this limit is reached the price will explode?

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  • where would house prices be if there were no mortgages?

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  • I love the wide range of stuff on here – i’ve learned a hell of a lot from coming here – even the conspiracy stuff, which has served to tune my bullsh*t detector no end. Check the mainstream version, check the conspiracy theory, chances are the truth is somewhere in between. Having both gets us all closer to the real story than just either side, so I welcome it all.

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  • Where would houseprices be if there was no land?
    Where would houseprices be if there were no people?
    Where would houseprices be if average temperatures in the UK dropped by 20degrees
    Where would houseprices be if there was no electricity, mortgages, bricks, contraception, immigration, emigration, etc etc .

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  • japanese uncle says:

    Discussion about how much house prices dropped, would not go anywhere without indepth insight into the wider economic development at this crucial hour.

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  • @26 buctootim – Oh great retort, how clever you are, and how valuable your insight is. Point 3 has some legs though, ooh, but you’re probably convinced that Global Warming is the reality lol!

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  • What would be cool would be a topic filter check box collection: Investments ; Fed Reserve ; Miscellaneous (eg. if water replaced petrol as a fuel) ; house prices per se; then cookies could remember the kind of posts that I like to read. I wonder what the default setting should be for a first time visitor to the site.

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  • buctootim @ 1.27pm

    the question “where would house prices be if there were no mortgages?” was presented to me about 18 mts ago by a friend who is a mortgage broker / financial advisor. He was expressing his awareness at the time of how critical the availability of mortgages is to house prices. I don’t understand the relevance of your four line rant.

    There has always been land, people, temperature fluctuations and a whole host of variables, but the mass availability of mortgages to a broad section of the public is relatively new and has undoubtably contributed to a change in peoples’ behaviour.

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  • Hi Guys,
    I just wanted to send a support message to the authors of this web site and those responsible to maintain and update the news section. I am actually reading my news from your web site on a daily basis now. In particular, I appreciate the wide range of financial / economic news posted on your web site, most of them not available on the mainstream news channels: i.e. BBC, CNN, etc… and other gov biased news sources. Many thanks and keep up the good work!
    BoDo , London

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  • Malct at 30. Yes of course if there were no mortgages then house prices would be affected. That is blindingly obvious. The reason for my ‘rant’ is that there is no more prospect of there being ‘no mortages’ than there is no electricity or of sudden climate change.

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  • HPC.co.uk achieved its main goal 6 months ago, by proving that an HPC was going to happen.

    Now the housing market is in free fall, we are left with a bunch of smart individuals who collectively have realised that HPC was just the tip of the ice-berg in the hunt for knowledge. Most people relealise that life is about to change and want to figure out how best to navigate that change.

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  • Now just look what you’ve started monty032 !!!

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  • buctootim “The reason for my ‘rant’ is that there is no more prospect of there being ‘no mortages’ than there is no electricity or of sudden climate change.”

    OK try this :-

    There are already fewer mortgages available this year than last and this has affected house prices.

    There is less electricity available this year than last and this has affected house prices

    We have experienced sudden climate change this year and this has affected house prices

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  • buctootim,

    “The reason for my ‘rant’ is that there is no more prospect of there being ‘no mortages’ than there is no electricity or of sudden climate change.”

    You are so right, but for the wrong reasons

    There is every chance that we will experience electricity backouts when oil hits $500 as people can no longer afford to pay their bills.
    And as for a sudden change of climate, a peaking of the sun spot cylce combined with “chem trail” planes blocking out the sunlight could send temperatures tumbling.

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  • erm, this thread has now become exactly what it set out to not be.

    we’re all going to die! it’s the lizard people

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  • @36.. lol

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  • No no no… it’s the derivatives

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  • furious bolton – I share your concern, what lizard people?

    seriously though, perhaps some people are right but for the wrong reasons,

    a nuclear winter would produce all three, climate change, no electric and very low house prices, unless, ah never mind

    you’re right nooneo, monty032 should never have started this

    btw love the bold text, how do you do that/

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  • This board is a microcosm of the net. Very useful, providing people with outlooks, information and services not available to the ordinary Joe before. But the price you pay for that is the 10% of nutcases who get involved with their mad conspiarcy theories. If you can’t filter out the 10% perhaps you shouldn’t be using the net in the first place.
    (Thats not to say that there MAY be grains of truth in some of the mad conspiracy theories. By a process of luck one will eventually be proved correct!)

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  • It Come Too Pass says:

    monty 032 we need not know about house prices now. our hopes and dreams are being vindecated . just sit back relax and enjoy

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  • Yes, I have a large group of monkeys typing comments to add to the site, but I only add the ones to the site that make sense

    Generally the monkeys can’t get the password right 🙁

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  • why am I the only one in my social network to think this finiacial stuff is even worth discussing? It seems that most people just don’t have a clue. I mention that it’s a bit of a worry and I am asked ‘why, what’s happening?’

    The ITV news didin’t have it as the lead story last night! Am I missing something?

    For the record, no this won’t be the end of the world but as a result Amjad at the Hale Barns Tandoori may not be able to accept my chip and pin for much longer. For me that is the real worry…. You can take away what you like, but if these clowns take away my Bombay Aloo then I will join ranks with P4AC and S2R1 and show some real anger

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  • My card got rejected at the supermarket yesterday because my overdraft reset and I had a problem with it because the bank is tightening up on lending!

    I almost didn’t have enough cash for my crisps and salsa dip! Unhappy Bear at Wimbledon’s Morrisons checkout.

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  • Carry on chaps, drive the property prices down even further with these web sites so vultures like me can pounce soon and buy again, and MAKE MORE MONEY from property. You guys are the econometrics experts, what has happened to property prices every 8-10 years ove the last 40-50 years…..doubled!!!!

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  • @theboltonfury
    Sadly too many folk live in a little bubble of their own making, never bothering to look beyond the end of their street. I remember how I know people were amazed when I explained a few years ago that the reason people had stopped dumping old cars everywhere was that the Chinese economic growth explosion had caused commodity prices to rise, meaning higher scrap metal prices, meaning no scrap cars left lying about. Fancy that they said, and went back to their Sky TVs and Premiership football. You can only try to expland some people’s horizons…………the rest is up to them. I get the same response when I mention ID cards & lost of freedoms. No-one wants to know, unless it actually affects them personally.

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  • has anyone actually read the news item that monty032 posted? i just did it was quite interesting. it talks about the morgage rates going up and concludes with—-
    ” “Last week’s news of AIG and Lehman Brothers rocked world wide financial confidence with the shocking fact that we can no longer rely on companies that were previously thought of as invincible.”

    “The inevitable backlash to these unprecedented events has now started to hit UK borrowers with a trickle of rate increases that will potentially turn into a torrent in the next few weeks.

    “Any thought of light at the end of the tunnel introduced by a sprinkling of rate reductions at the end of last month are now dashed and undoubtedly there are more dark days to come.”

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  • planning4acrash says:

    About blackouts. You can get a solar panel, enough to trickle charge a car battery from Maplin. Get one or two for each room, hanging out the window. At Maplin you can also get a converter that turns direct charge from the battery into standard 3-pin socket. No need for your freezer to stop workin, and that’s the most important bit. I’d get a cheap wind trickle charge to top up if you rely on frozen food.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Sorry, the solar panel is just £10 now. Solar battery chargers for £10 also, that charge almost as quick as the mains.

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  • goweresque,

    “You can only try to expland some people’s horizons…………the rest is up to them. I get the same response when I mention ID cards & lost of freedoms.”
    Consciousness can only change at its own set rate.

    “No-one wants to know, unless it actually affects them personally.”
    This is why the destruction has to take place before any CHANGE can happen

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  • @49. So when this change of consciousness takes place will it effect everyone ? Even against their will ? Bit like a BIOS update sort of thing ?

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  • Whatever is going to happen I wish it would hurry up and start happening!!

    I can’t take all this till 2012 lol

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  • I have not posted here for a very long time. The last times that I posted a number of members
    ridiculed me for saying that we would end up with a 1929 style depression. I even posted a free
    PDF one of my web site for you to read, print & circulate Entitled: Rule Britannia- Prime Minister
    Blair’s and Chancellor Brown’s Legacy. Some of you ridiculed that.

    Now that it is piling down on us, I don’t feel vindicated, rather, I am spooked almost sh**less, even that I
    new in 2003 that this was inevitable. There are going to be just too many traumatised people. I
    suspect that right now, there are many thousands of individuals with nervous diarrhoea.

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  • I am happy to have the economic analysis. Although this site is called House Price Crash, that is just the subject that has brought the readership together. Now that house prices ARE crashing, we need something else to talk about, and the extending our analysis to the general economy seems a good way to go.

    I read this site every day – there is a great deal of momentum in the arguments presented. Let’s see where they go.

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  • @down wave

    I’m interested in looking at your site, can you post a link?

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  • Down wave – “ridicule is nothing to be scared of”

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  • handle_it & watchman,

    Consciousness is changing all the time, it always has.
    It will become much more noticeable though as the exponential function accelerates into the singularity.

    The myth about 2012 is that it is not about a single event on a single day, but a 16 billion year process that completes in 2011.

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  • http://www.whalemedical.com/pdf/boombust.pdf

    This is a direct link to the pdf. I am not scared of ridicule. This crash was completely avoidable. I wrote to Sir Mervin King perhaps som 20 month back now and got a 2 page reply, after that the BoE started to inch up interest rates.

    I am medical and my life’s work has been about people’s wellbeing. That is more than I can say about politicians.

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  • @down wave

    thanks for the link

    @handle_it

    I’m reckoning it’s more like Windows hotfix updates but what happens when god stops patching our version of the spiritual evolution when we run out of money?

    That’s probably when the cockroaches take over lol

    @s2r1
    I know it sounds like I’m mocking (well supppose I am really) but I actually buy into more of this than not and like (most of) your posting so keep it up 😉

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  • @down wave

    Thanks for the link

    @handle_it

    I’m reckoning it’s more like Windows hotfix updates then but what happens when god stops patching our version of the spiritual evolution when we run out of money?

    That’s probably when the cockroaches take over lol

    @s2r1
    I know it sounds like I’m mocking (well I supppose I am) but I actually buy into more of this than not and I like (most of) your posting so keep it up 😉

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  • @55 So explain please ! Say there was a tribe somewhere completely disconnected from any civilization. Would these people have their consciousness updated ? It seems to me that evolution from that perspective could be just a step of forced events and changes. In fact it wouldn’t be evolution at all, so why start 16 billion years ago ? Could start from 2012 instead. You need to think about what you’re saying because it makes no sense…

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  • Its a fine line between conspiracy and ‘just the way things are’. A slight change of viewpoint can lead to a radically different picture. Are we not conditioned daily by advertising from big business, Government spin, our biased teachings of history and so on? How conspiracy is defined is a good place to start.

    The reality of the world is far from as cut and dried as some on here make it seem. Making excuses such as human nature, natural order etc is just as much of a copout and no less dangerous than “dangerous conspiracy theories”. I feel that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Be cautious in your judgements and suppress your pride I say.

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  • This site (unfortunately) should be renamed bearfood.co.uk or something like yetanotherconspiracywebsite.co.uk

    A shame.

    I agree with the original sentiments of this post, and have ignored most of the comments. A quick scan of them should tell you why.

    I’m only posting here, because it is a real shame. What was interesting informed debate about housing has become a race to see who can post the most negative economic news stories.

    A shame, a shame, a shame. Or is it? Or is there something out there? Do-do-do-do-do? “Quick Mulder come here!” etc etc zzz

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  • Techieman @54

    Don’t you ever, don’t you ever, stop being dandy showing me you’re handsome!

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  • @unplugged

    That explains things 🙂

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  • @unplugged

    That explains things 🙂

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  • To add the the initial thread of this discussion. Obviously this site was set up for discussions regarding house price crashes, now that it is plain for every chav and his pitbull to see that the houseprice crash is a reality, should we therefore just sit around posting links to the Sun regarding the falling house prices and all nicely agree with ourselves. Of course not. House Prices are a symptom not a cause. I initially came to this site because no one in my social network thought that house prices could ever go down and even if they did it would be over very shortly with maybe six months of levelling off. This site helped my reaffirm my belief that they were going to fall and I sold to rent. From a perfectly selfish point of view I want to know how best to protect that nestegg and this site still gives me the best chance of that.

    If someone had said 18 months ago that there would be a run on a bank in 6 months (NR) and that by the 3Q of 2008 that capitalism would be on its knees in the US you would have been dismissed as a conspiracy loon. (although I think it had been said on this site!) I’m wise enough to know that I don’t know everything and intelligent enough to apply what I know. If some posts disturb you, then don’t read them, get over it, but don’t think that because you find it irrelevant that every one does it is arrogance like that, that has helped the world get into the mess it is now.

    I shall now get off my soapbox.

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  • Techieman @54 OK make that 03:49pm – 17 Posts have appeared from nowhere!

    Don’t you ever, don’t you ever, stop being dandy showing me you’re handsome!

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  • down wave – i do remember that sign in from years ago.

    Don’t know how you can read this site for so long without posting. I just don’t have that level of self restraint (which might I suppose explain my addiction to crack cocaine).

    Brucieg @59.

    oh dear. Some people don’t learn. Dare I mention it, but Brucieg you haven’t made more money, the money has just devalued. House prices haven’t doubled, the currency has halved. At best your debts have been dwindled by inflation – and therein lies the root of the problem.

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  • #78.. I’m not playing a game.. what is currently happening is historic.. the fact that it is slightly depressing.. is because it is.. if you have something positive to contribute.. please enlighten me.. As for space lizards, you’ll need to talk to my girlfriend about that..

    I can not believe that this article has 80 replies and counting.. yawn

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  • Those who think that wider economic matters don’t have anything to do with HPC might not get this. Lol.

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  • “Carry on chaps, drive the property prices down even further with these web sites so vultures like me can pounce soon and buy again, and MAKE MORE MONEY from property. You guys are the econometrics experts, what has happened to property prices every 8-10 years ove the last 40-50 years…..doubled!!!!”

    Yawn.. Okay…

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  • I get called a bear at work. I am a bear on the stock market at the moment. I do not see how knowing that the stock market is going to crash and assets deflate makes you a bear as if this is a negative thing. These things will rebound later and then I will be a bull I am sure.

    I am currently bullish on gold and small commodity companies, as well as debt management companies, green technology and mobile technology.

    So am I a bull or a bear? You know what? I’m informed, and I’m neither. Anyone who is only a bull or a bear is an idiot and will become very poor if they try to invest their money.

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  • HPC lost it’s purpose about 6 months ago when house price crashes crashed and those wise bloggers who could think outside of the box were vindicated. It’s only really purpose now is to come and wind-up the conspiraloons and hear what their youtube videos have told them that what they can think today.

    Sadly, I think this blog and perhaps this site should be wound-up as it’s become a sad shadow of its former self due to the quality of the constant stream of repetitive posting providing close to no value or insight whatsoever.

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  • @afrobaggie at 5.00.

    Nice one! That was funny.

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  • looks like admin were holding back on a load of comments

    love their sense of humour

    69. Digbypenguin said…
    I am happy to have the economic analysis. Although this site is called House Price Crash, that is just the subject that has brought the readership together. Now that house prices ARE crashing, we need something else to talk about, and the extending our analysis to the general economy seems a good way to go.

    I read this site every day – there is a great deal of momentum in the arguments presented. Let’s see where they go.

    hey ho the way to go

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  • “Give it a rest guys”

    How about everyone limits themselves to one article post per day?

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  • @86. beartil2010

    Good point well said. People will pigeonhole you… it helps to break things down to make sense of the world. But there is no need to pigeonhole yourself.

    @ 87. denzil

    Step backfor a second… can you appreciate that you are one opinion towards one end of the spectrum? Nevertheless you may have a point but it’s sad that you think the site should be wound up… you almost sound bitter. You shouldn’t resort to belittleing poeple who dont conform to your ideals.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Most views and posts on a single post, ever!

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  • 43. Bodo1825 said…
    Hi Guys,
    I just wanted to send a support message to the authors of this web site and those responsible to maintain and update the news section. I am actually reading my news from your web site on a daily basis now. In particular, I appreciate the wide range of financial / economic news posted on your web site, most of them not available on the mainstream news channels: i.e. BBC, CNN, etc… and other gov biased news sources. Many thanks and keep up the good work!
    BoDo , London

    well said bodo
    some of the authors/contributors acknowledged their appreciation of the webmasters efforts yesterday – did we not?

    we don’t take partiticapation in this thing lightly

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  • monty032, you’ve certainly started something here.
    I’ve had a skim through the comments and I’s like to add to my earlier comment.

    To me, there seem to be a lot of American news postings but not much discussion of how this will affect the UK. I cannot disagree with the many comments about the importance of economics but there seem to be lot of posts just talk about the US dollar, Ron Paul and suchlike without even mentioning the effect on the UK. I can understand that bloggers from the States like malct will have a bias towards his side of the pond but surely the majority are from the UK?

    Discuss: will the proposed $700bn bailout be to the advantage of the UK (bailing us out while the US taxpayer gets stiffed with the bill) or is there more to it than that?

    Peace.

    @planning4crash

    “Most views and posts on a single post, ever!”

    Not sure, but I seem to recall seeing some posts hit about 150ish in the past. I suspect that S2R1 holds the ‘record’. It’s always the slightly offbeat posts that get the most hits.

    @theboltonfury

    “why am I the only one in my social network to think this finiacial stuff is even worth discussing?”

    I know what you mean. It’s weird listening to people at work; they don’t see any problems coming.

    @Brucieg

    Nice bit of trolling there. Good to see there are still some left.

    @handle_it

    “when this change of consciousness takes place will it effect everyone ? Even against their will ? Bit like a BIOS update sort of thing ?”

    Hilarious! My BIOS certainly needs an update.

    @malct

    “we don’t take partiticapation in this thing lightly”

    Perhaps some of us do 🙂

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  • malct @89, [email protected] Comments are delayed when you forget to enter your password (or don’t have one?). Presumably a moderator has to OK these manually, which obviously does not happen straight away.

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  • My post at 76 referred to post 55 which at the time was written by STR1 but now isn’t. The number somehow changed ?? Hmmm why’s that ? Anyway I’ll redirect my comment at 76 (still at 76 for now at least) to STR1.

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  • We can definitely push this one over 100, no bother.

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  • shippy

    97. shipbuilder said…
    We can definitely push this one over 100, no bother.

    Friday, September 26, 2008 07:57PM

    can we do it ? oh yes we can!

    for starters – quiete guy said I can understand that bloggers from the States like – malct – will have a bias towards his side of the pond but surely the majority are from the UK?

    exxxxxcuuuuse me mush quite mush guy [email protected] droppings banana skin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I was born in Newcastle, Northumberland, the son of a Kentish saxaphone and a Geordie miner’s daughter.

    I am English, even though the country no longer exists and have never been to that colony over the pond.

    If I post stuff that gives you that false impression it is because we have allowed ourselves to be overtaken by the half baked psychopaths that bliar has used the liarbour party to wealse their way into our economy.

    Although I’m a geordie at heart, I’ve lived in wiltshire since 1972 – digital communication is very limited – but HPC webmasters are doing fantastic!!!

    shippy? what do you reckon ? my kentish dad had a thing about Harland and Wolf – not sure about the spelling but I reccollect Mayo and mercury and a link between Chatham and Belfast – I’m probably confused.

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  • shiipy – it’s just come to me Short Brothers

    dog that doesn’t look right

    hey! have I got to do this on my own?

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  • OK aeroplanes

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  • Aye, Shorts and Harland and Wolff are still limping along – the cranes will be monuments in a few years, though – where the shipyard was we now have the ‘Titanic Quarter’ – ‘luxury’ apartments and an aspiring financial district! Sign of the times or what? If things were going the opposite way, we might have a chance….been to Newcastle once on a stag weekend – friendliest people i’ve met in England.

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  • i knew you was a brit malct

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  • shippy – thank you
    sold out – I knew that –

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  • shippy – thank you
    sold out – I knew that –

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  • @malct

    “exxxxxcuuuuse me mush quite mush guy [email protected] droppings banana skin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

    OK. Let’s have a look at:

    http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/newsblog/2008/09/blog-this-may-prove-to-be-the-dollars-epochal-moment-the-moment-historians-look-back-at-as-its-major-17368.php

    Comment number 1 begins:

    “1. malct said…
    is this fair? from comments –
    The US is collapsing.. I immigrated to the US ten years ago…”

    Now if you want to get picky with me and say you did not take US citizenship then fair enough but by your own words you moved to the USA a decade ago. By my reckoning, that places you as a person across ‘the pond’. That is all I wanted to say. Surely you will not disagree that you have posted a lot of articles about the US economy? Should we all assume that your interests are centred around Northumberland based upon your postings? I think not.

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  • handle_it,

    “@55 So explain please ! Say there was a tribe somewhere completely disconnected from any civilization. Would these people have their consciousness updated ? It seems to me that evolution from that perspective could be just a step of forced events and changes. In fact it wouldn’t be evolution at all, so why start 16 billion years ago ? Could start from 2012 instead. You need to think about what you’re saying because it makes no sense…”

    The BIOS example is not good. Consciousness evolves at a set rate, it is not updated in one hit.
    Examining a group of people in isolation such as remote tribes is also the wrong way to view the situation.

    Consciousness can be broken down into individual and global levels. Whilst individual consciousness can alter quite substantially over a short period of time, global consciousness can only change at its predetermined rate. Global consciousness is made up from all the individual consciousnesses, but is more than the sum of its parts – like a plane.

    Calleman’s model says the big bang happened 16.4 billion years ago. But the current estimate is only 13.7 billion years. Hopefully in the next 3 years the 13.7 figure will be revised up to 16.4. So the global evolution of consciousness that started at the big bang will complete in an exponential blow-off that will end in another singularity.

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  • quiet guy,

    “is this fair? from comments –
    The US is collapsing.. I immigrated to the US ten years ago…””

    Malct’s statement was from a US user’s comment under the Telegraph article.
    Malct lives in the UK

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  • I value the varied and broad-reaching media links and comments this site. Thank you to everyone who puts more time and effort than I can into searching for items, and passing on their knowledge and perspectives. A lot of the stuff that isn’t directly about house prices has helped me understand how homes became so unaffordable and the economic mess that is unravelling along with property values.

    Okay, some of the conspiracy stuff (personally I reckon they did land on the moon, but cos the actual photos were so poor, they took a load of colour Hollywood mock-ups for the glossy magazines!!) gets a bit daft and pretentious, but if I don’t want to read it, I don’t have to….and if I want a laugh I carry on reading :o)

    To be honest this site would be pretty boring if it was purely about houseprices…there’s only so much we can say about the Haliwide figures.

    As long as it relates to the economy in some way, I’m happy!!!

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  • I’m pleased to have provoked so much discussion. Of course the general economic background affects house prices, as it affects every other price. My original point still stands that this is HousePriceCrash.co.uk and I come here mainly in order to read articles about UK house prices. I can go elsewhere to read general economic news. It is great to be able to post articles and have them come up immediately, but at the moment 90%+ of the posts are about the US economy because some people are abusing the facility. I agree with Mountain Goat that people should be limited to one post per day, then they will be more selective about what they post. Either that or there could be a filter function, so that I can block viewing of posts by people who are obviously abusing the facility.

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  • monty032 @ 8.21am

    of course you like everyone else are entitled to your own opinion, but don’t forget that’s all it is, this post should tell you that clearly.

    I’m sure the content above will be anylised carefully by our webmasters and others

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  • @S2R1

    “Malct lives in the UK”

    Thanks for explanation.

    @malct

    There are over 100 comments on this post alone and you post incessantly abut the USA. In the context of the traffic on this site, the mistake was a simple and natural one. No need for sarcasm.

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  • quiet guy @ 8.36am

    the sarcasm was uncalled for, I am sorry.

    I hope we can all build positively on this mammoth exchange of views.

    thank you s2r1

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  • There is a filter function, its called the brain. Read the headline, read the source, read the synopsis and decide whether it is an article that you will find interesting or relevant. Although I do agree that sometimes there are far too many stories posted and quite often by different people about the same story but from different sources. However the answer is not limiting the number of posting to one a day. Maybe a fixed number per week is a fairer system.

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  • Thank you STR1. What’s a few billion years between friends. I still say you’re wrong to put any time limit on human development,be it physical or spiritual. I’m also sure my argument regards tribes in isolation is valid. We evolve in a direct relationship to our environment not time. When 2012 comes around I’m sure you’ll have lots of events and situations to fit in with your theory but mankind will only be 4 years older. Not even a blink of an eye in the great scheme of things. To my mind it would be better for you say “I Think” or “maybe this might happen” or “this could be” instead of saying you know. You don’t. No-one does. :o)

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