Thursday, July 17, 2008

Capitulation is near

CNBC Europe - Bill McLaren

Good graphs comparing S&P500 with 2002 bear. Capitulation is 2-6 days away according to Bill McLaren He also thinks that the final capitulation of this bear trend will come in September/October

Posted by sold 2 rent 1 @ 08:54 AM (1054 views)
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24 thoughts on “Capitulation is near

  • sold 2 rent 1 says:

    In Calleman’s model the “fifth night” destruction ends on November 13 2008.

    This final capitulation in Sep/Oct of this current trend that McLaren is forecasting here could well signify the end of the fifth night destruction period where
    1. LAW overcomes POWER
    2. East and West come back into balance
    3. A new world consciousness emerges

    The fifth night started on 19 Nov 2007, which corresponds loosely to the stock market highs of last autumn.

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  • sold 2 rent 1 says:

    I am learning all the time so I will openly review the errors I have made when trying to interpret Calleman’s model

    1. The bubble running to around 6 July was in oil and not gold.
    We all know bubbles lead to financial destruction. I was expecting the destruction to build up and guessed the wrong commodity bubble.
    Now that so much about oil has surfaced on the conspiracy theory front (no need to discuss all those again) it seems clear (with wonderful hindsight) why oil was the bubble. Gold’s time will come. I have always said gold will be the bubble to end all bubbles before crashing to zero.

    2. 6 July 2008 was not a consciousness changing day.
    I now realise that consciousness change is gradual and even catastrophic events don’t change consciousness in a single day.
    EG. 9/11 was a big event but for most people they just got on with their lives after a day or two

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  • Happy Mondays says:

    “I now realise that consciousness change is gradual and even catastrophic events don’t change consciousness in a single day”.
    It’s called a dripping tap! unfortunately us humans are not smart enough to change our views, conciousness,let go of our ego that quickly, we change at a slow pace, but it is accelerating. A few more major man made crisis, should sort us all out!

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  • Well, that’s a bit of a bombshell S2R1, but I’m glad to see a glimmer of common sense returning – your personal consciousness change perhaps!

    If you are going to make predictions, it’s best not be too specific. You are less likely to be caught out, and can get away with it more easily then. All the best soothsayer books from Nostradamus to (dare I say it) the Bible are intentionally ambiguous so that the writings can be retrospectively adapted to specific events (IMHO). Politicians have the same approach – never give a specific answer, and so leave the door open for later manoeuvre.

    I have to say that in some respects I have admired your conviction to date.

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  • sold 2 rent 1 says:

    P. Doff,

    Cheers for the non-attacking comment.

    Just had another thought.
    So if Bill McLaren is correct in that the final stocks capitulation in this trend will happen in Sep/Oct, this probably WON’T mean we have a consciousness change on that particular day.

    I am coming to the conclusion that “individual consciousness change” is a personal thing that requires much time to read, watch (Youtube LOL), research, and THINK.
    So maybe the consciousness change will occur over the next 2 years (6th day and 6th night) when unemployment sky-rockets leaving many people disillusioned with life.

    Remember it is only from the depths of despair that creativity can be hatched.
    For me I have been researching intensely for 2 years. Starting with HPC, Fred Harrison, K-waves, Elliott waves, and you know the rest.

    So for all these people who will get repossessed and lose everything, they can start to rebuild their lives from an extremely low point and a new consciousness will emerge inside them.

    So the real losers in this evolutionary test could be the people who are smart enough to protect their wealth by investing in gold, shorting stocks etc, BUT are unable to see the new reality as it emerges. These people will eventually see the light, but only from a low mental point. They will gradually see their friends and family, one by one, turn into conspira-loons. They will fight the consciousness change all the way, kicking and screaming.

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  • s2r1 – for the last time, and since you’re directing people to this thread – your claims are bunkum. All the predictions you have made to date have been wrong and yet you persist with this ridiculous ‘model’. I am utterly exasperated.

    If all the predictions the model has provided you with have been wrong, why continue to push it? Is it because you grasp to it, thinking your ‘understanding’ of it makes you better than everyone else? It certainly sounds like that…

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  • sold 2 rent 1 says:

    Happy Mondays,

    “It’s called a dripping tap! unfortunately us humans are not smart enough to change our views, conciousness,let go of our ego that quickly, we change at a slow pace, but it is accelerating. A few more major man made crisis, should sort us all out!”

    Very wise words.

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  • Side issue.Does anyone know why all the artices posted keep disapearing? Is it a conspiracy?

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  • shipbuilder says:

    5. sold 2 rent 1 said…

    “So the real losers in this evolutionary test could be the people who are smart enough to protect their wealth by investing in gold, shorting stocks etc, BUT are unable to see the new reality as it emerges. These people will eventually see the light, but only from a low mental point. They will gradually see their friends and family, one by one, turn into conspira-loons. They will fight the consciousness change all the way, kicking and screaming.”

    Perhaps there is a ‘consciousness change’ on the way, to a fairer system, after we experience a severe recession. I would welcome it, as it would be toward my way of thinking.
    So the real losers could be the people who put all their money in gold because they believed a few idiots on the internet and can’t see beyond money as ‘wealth’. Their ‘low mental point’ could be a paraniod mess, fighting a non-existant ‘enemy’, while everyone else gets on with their lives.
    Perhaps the winners will be the people who learn the real lesson and invest in something real, not gambling.
    Some of us recognise that the change is in ourselves, not reliant on a calendar or an a shadowy ‘evil’.

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  • shipbuilder says:

    s2r1 – a question.
    Say we do see a change in the public – calls for a fairer monetary system etc. and a more ethical society, after we experience a recession (which is fairly predictable), but that there is no ‘revealing’ of the NWO.
    Will you claim that you were right, or wrong? Is your overarching theory the Mayan calendar, or the NWO?
    If the ‘change of consciousness’ happens without free energy, without 9/11, global warming, peak oil etc. being revealed as lies, will you just forget about these and believe you were right all along?
    You readily admit that you don’t know what the events leading to the change will be, so isn’t there a possibility that they might be something else and not related to conspiracies at all?

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  • It’s got to be the pesky NWO up to their old tricks again, nooneo. S2r1 (or was it p4ac, or malct, I always get those loonies mixed up) said the NWO were deleting his posts a few days back.

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  • pelethar…
    It’s not the comments? I posted an article entitled : FSA is accused of maladministration over collapse of Equitable Life – and now it’s gone, with the ranmge of about 8 or 9 comments? Does this happen a lot. I’ve emailed the webmaster but no reply?

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  • Not sure, they sometimes take down entire threads if (eg) they go in a dodgy direction. There was one a while back which veered into a debate about political correctness, a couple of people started posting slightly racist comments and then the whole thing disappeared. Were there any particularly offensive comments on there?

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  • sold 2 rent 1 says:

    shipbuilder,

    I discovered Calleman’s model last November (after my graphs said 2011/12 would be a massive low in stocks)
    I discovered conspiracy theories purely by accident when viewing videos on quicksilverscreen.com.
    I was looking at videos about consciousness such as “What the bleep (f**k) do we know?”

    If the ‘change of consciousness’ happens without free energy, without 9/11, global warming, peak oil etc. being revealed as lies, I will admit I was WRONG.

    Believe me, by 2011 the NWO would have been and gone mate.
    It will be considered ancient history.
    Remember change is accelerating into a Singularity.

    Visualising the Tenth Dimension: 11 minutes (for all the folks interested in quantum physics)
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-97057222894136590

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  • S2r1
    How on earth did a singularity crop up with regard to human consciousness, my understanding of Hawkings work is that a singularity is a superdense concentration of matter/energy. As for the tenth dimension and possibly more, surely that is special relativity? – I find some difficulty in relating the prevous two points with the theories of Max Planck, are you using these terms and concepts as aphorisms-if so can you give an English version.

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  • shipbuilder says:

    s2r1 – fair enough. You’re right – there is a lot we don’t know, but I prefer to take the evidence as it is and reach a reasonable conclusion, for now.
    Asking questions is great, but I think that it is unhelpful to jump to wild conclusions about events – human psychology means that the conclusion we reach is generally more influenced by our own prejudices than by actual logic.
    Inevitably the people who ask ‘What do we really know?’ are simply trying to sell their own agenda, which is just as fixed as any other idea of the world.
    Ask yourself – if we are so genuinely open-minded, why then do we always end up rejecting one point of view and accepting another? Why do we believe in the ‘truth’ of one religion and not another? Goths, for example, see themselves as ‘alternative’ – so why do they all dress the same?
    The reality is that none of us are truly open-minded about things – this is why I try to stick to facts, evidence and logic. Any interpretation I care to add to those facts is my opinion only.
    There is a reason why mainstream commentators are mainstream – because their analysis and work stands up to scrutiny. Any crank can say anything they want on the internet, unchallenged.

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  • sold 2 rent 1 says:

    Shippy,

    “facts, evidence and logic”

    You are a “Left Brain” person.
    That is why you are stuck in the old “Western” consciousness.

    You really, really, really need to read “The Transformation of Consciousness” by Calleman.

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  • Moonglum101 says:

    S2R1

    Just a couple of things… do you know what you mean when you talk about co-creation?

    Have you ever considered that there are too many people in this world for anything good to come of it? Life is not fair and most importantly, life is not centred around human beings. When are people going to deal with the fact that humanity and its somewhat pathetic plight is not really all that significant.

    Lungold admitted towards the end of his 3 hour presentation that you have referred to on numerous occasions, that he is simply someone searching for patterns. That’s all this Mayan calendar stuff is. Someone found a pattern in something. Doesn’t make it real or true. I was wondering how deeply you have thought about the implications of it. He keeps referring to us as being “on a schedule”. Who decided the 6 billion years ago and how did they decide the start day of the calendar? Who is to say it is not a few days or weeks or months or years or centuries or millenia out. How do you prove that one either way.

    My questions is, “Who’s schedule are we on”. If there is an answer to that question then it makes everything that we do somewhat pointless. I mean, if you think it through.

    Me, I just want to look after my family and make sure my children have as happy lives as possible.

    And on a side note, I spent a great deal of my day smiling today, thinking that despite all that is bad in the world maybe there is some good in it. You know what? I made lots of people smile as a result. Good karma. Smile and spread good karma.

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  • moonglum101 says:

    S2R1

    Just a couple of things… do you know what you mean when you talk about co-creation?

    Have you ever considered that there are too many people in this world for anything good to come of it? Life is not fair and most importantly, life is not centred around human beings. When are people going to deal with the fact that humanity and its somewhat pathetic plight is not really all that significant.

    Lungold admitted towards the end of his 3 hour presentation that you have referred to on numerous occasions, that he is simply someone searching for patterns. That’s all this Mayan calendar stuff is. Someone found a pattern in something. Doesn’t make it real or true. I was wondering how deeply you have thought about the implications of it. He keeps referring to us as being “on a schedule”. Who decided the 6 billion years ago and how did they decide the start day of the calendar? Who is to say it is not a few days or weeks or months or years or centuries or millenia out. How do you prove that one either way.

    My questions is, “Who’s schedule are we on”. If there is an answer to that question then it makes everything that we do somewhat pointless. I mean, if you think it through.

    Me, I just want to look after my family and make sure my children have as happy lives as possible.

    And on a side note, I spent a great deal of my day smiling today, thinking that despite all that is bad in the world maybe there is some good in it. You know what? I made lots of people smile as a result. Good karma. Smile and spread good karma.

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  • shipbuilder says:

    18. sold 2 rent 1 said…

    Shippy,

    “facts, evidence and logic”

    You are a “Left Brain” person.
    That is why you are stuck in the old “Western” consciousness.

    Sorry to disappoint, s2r1 – i’m right brain dominant apparently (although fairly evenly split), and INTP in Myers-Briggs terms.
    Was called a ‘dreamer’ by my teachers, did A-level art, but am now an engineer. I’m equally happy drawing or grappling with scientific/engineering concepts – which is why I think the whole left-right brain thing is a load of b*llocks.

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  • sold 2 rent 1 says:

    moonglum101,

    Thanks for the interest.

    The schedule is creation itself.

    God, consciousness, life, the universe(s), us, everything could all be the same thing.
    In laymans terms. Maybe God blew himself up in the big bang and started a creation process lasting 16bn years.
    So God’s existence is not external to us but includes us as well as everything else.

    The schedule refers to a path of global consciousness. Within that realm there is free will for an individual, because the mathematics are set at a global level and not at the individual level. So implicitly one individual’s thoughts can affect another on the other side of the planet. Quantum physicists call this entanglement. Spiritual healers call it remote healing etc.

    Your on the right lines. Keep searching and follow your intuition

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  • 23. sold 2 rent 1 said… ”life, the universe(s), us, everything”

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