Monday, June 9, 2008

Where is the British equivalent?!

MTV's Aimee Allen, Ron Paul, Revolution Song.

"The system that we have today is ripping of the middle class & the poor. Can you imagine how great a nation we would have if we didn't have the Federal Reserve System printing all this money?!" - That is the cracking bridge line for this political song by MTV's Aimee Allen, straight from the lips of Ron Paul. - Swap Federal Reserve for the Bank of England, and this song is totally relevant to our situation, because our fiat money system is very similar to the Federal Reserve, and the inflated money supply caused the houseprice boom and crash. It shows that America has an informed, youth led political movement that is trying to solve some of the monetary failures of western society. Why is it, that Britain is not blessed with the same? But, regardless of the politics, its a cracking video!

Posted by planning4acrash @ 06:39 PM (1050 views)
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27 thoughts on “Where is the British equivalent?!

  • planning4acrash says:

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Don’t worry, i’ve promised to the webmaster, no more 9/11 or NWO postings! – just mainstream economics and politics from now on. And this is mainstream, Ron is Paul running for President, and actually raised more money from supporters than any other candidate! Others with more money have racked up incredible debt, or gained money from big corporations. His recent book is number one in the NYT non fiction chart!

    http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1213033360&sr=8-1

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Oh, and Ron Paul has posted this video on his myspace, so this isn’t a cheap spoof. Just incase any of you thought it might be!

    http://www.myspace.com/ronpaul2008

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  • Ron Paul LOL, the man’s a fruitcake.

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  • flintster1994 says:

    planningforacrash,

    I have just had this book delivered and I am looking forwad to reading it, especially after watching him grill Helicopter on more than one occasion.

    My understanding though, is that he is well out of the running for the presidency. I know that he is still making his point, but the presidency seems too far fetched now. Shame.

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  • flintster1994 says:

    Also, I would be interested on your opinion with regards to the 12th. What do you think are the possible repercussions on a yay or or a nay?

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  • p4ac, I agree Ron Paul is the best president America could ever have. The media seem to have deliberately locked him out, it’s all rather shady.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Hi. I’m not sure how successful it will be. The main media won’t cover it properly, that’s for sure. But, people will have their attention drawn to it, and, people who avoided reading the book, looking into it, will think twice. The strength of his movement is that it is an intellectual movement. Once you have your understanding of something like money, liberty, etc. challenged by a politician, you will be dedicated to them, and, will detest the status-quo. That is strong and could result in sustained growth.

    I think a march like that would be more powerful here in the uk, with less big cities, more people concentrated around. We just lack that movement. In reality, libertarianism couldn’t be the same here in the uk. So we need another person to lead us, and the issues are different. The issue for America, is that they have a united states, and a federal government that has taken too much away from the individual sovereign states. The problem for us is two fold. We have a bad banking system in our own country, and run the parallel risk of heading into a ridiculously overpowering and undemocratic federal EU government. Who is there to represent us on these issues? I haven’t found anything. but, we are a smaller country, and a movement could pick up speed rapidly here.

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  • flintster1994 says:

    What do you suggest?

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  • 4. Marge said…
    Ron Paul LOL, the man’s a fruitcake.

    what’s the recipe

    rash statement Marge

    we need some substance

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  • planning4acrash says:

    My goodness Marge! Here’s a recent speech by Ron, done this weekend. A challenging intellectual he may be, but fruitcake he is not, but don’t take my word for it, watch the short speach and make up your own.

    Ron Paul Speach at the Future of Freedom Foundation

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Marge, and people like you, we here always respond to inane comments with even more fuel to our argument. If you don’t have an argument, your attempts will be counter-productive, but keep going, because I like to bring more info to light!

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  • Marge, what do you know about the US constitution, the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, the IRS, the CFR, the history of European and American banking, the statements of Woodrow Wilson, and the battles of President Jackson? Probably less than most Americans I guess, which is therefore vanishingly small.

    Until you do some serious reading and get your head out of the pages of Hello magazine, it is simply meaningless for a lightweight such as yourself to pass judgement on a man like Ron Paul.

    If you want people to take you seriously on this blog, then you must research and learn to think for yourself, not simply regurgitate MSM sheeple-fodder. Otherwise you’re just wasting your time.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Flintster, what do I suggest? Well, there isn’t anybody in government right now that follows the Libertarian tradition, to my knowledge. Tho, if there were, we wouldn’t hear about it, because there would be media blackout!

    If you followed Ron’s example, then you may do what I am trying to do in the way that I am able right now, to educate people about monetary policy and personal liberties. Internet, as Ron Paul has found, is the greatest vehicle for that. We need people in the Commons taking that point of view also. Protest, blogging, actually questioning your MP about it and giving them literature or links to informative speaches, etc. But, for us, this has only just begun. Anybody else got any ideas, or know of any good organisations worth getting involved in? It would be great to hear of something that is British that covers similar ground to Mises.org and the future freedom foundation. Anything with Austrian economics and anything that campaigns for truth, accountability and civil liberties is a good start for me. We do need a march on London tho, something more radical than a fuel protest however, something with a radical ideology like the above.

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  • @harold

    What, you mean that maybe someday I could be taken as seriously on HPC as p4ac and lvmreader and the other conspiracy chimps?

    Youse are so deluded, it’s a wee bit embarrassing.

    The only sheeple I see on HPC are the conspiracy drones, who regurgitate the same borgspeak like robots with a ZX80 brain.

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  • “If you followed Ron’s example, then you may do what I am trying to do in the way that I am able right now, to educate people about monetary policy and personal liberties.”

    Awesome self-delusion.

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  • last_days_of_disco says:

    I detest this attitude that Britain is stuffed. We are not stuffed and the Americans are not oh so much better than we. If got our act together we could restart our empire and be wealthy again (since we are released from any obligation to the Americans). We are not like America, we are an island descended from amongst other violent types, the vikings. So our only option is to create space for us to use gainfully is to obtain captive markets (the empire excluded the Americans and they hated it).

    Our empire wasn’t some sort of optional thing, it was a necessity. And when our socialist nut-job parents decided to commit hari-kiri on our behalf in the 1950s we lost the ability to make a difference to millions of people who are now dead thanks to our inaction (yes I am talking about Africa). What is amazing is that the wealth we had amassed from the empire has actually lasted so long (our grand parents and great grand parents must have been awesome). The Americans are half embarrassed for us (although their design has always and always will be to hobble the common-wealth/british empire).

    So if you really hate American misadventures in the world and you really really want do something other than descend into a cannibalistic spiral of socialist stupidity and oppression (the EU). And if you really really want to give the Americans one right in the eye (for which they will respect us in future, rather than pity and patronize us with — wow you have such a cool accent) then you had better understand that the only way to fix our economy is to have and maintain our empire (whatever you want to call it to make you feel better). We need energy security and the only way to keep it is by force or the threat of force — sorry hippies, you were wrong, windmills and “make love not war” is not going to cut it in a world where the other guys pitch up with a nuclear powered aircraft carrier.

    So who says there are no young people with such hawkish ideas. Look at the Tories, they are young and Liam Fox is in the front benches. Look at the Mayor of London, some may think he is an idiot but if you read what he says about what Britain should do about Africa, then we do have young leaders who think in a radically different way.

    The real problem is not monetary policy, its a secondary effect. The real problem is we are going broke and printing money is a way of spreading the pain. If we had some sensible plan for making enough money to pay our debts then printing money would be less of a necessity.

    Unless of course we all want to go back to eatsing each other medevil style, which is what the eco-greenies seem to think is a cool idea.

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  • last_days_of_disco says:

    That will stir you lot up. 😀

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Have a read of 1984 by George Orwell. He makes the point that war, is used to line the pockets of a few, but mainly, it saps the resources, the abundance of society, to ensure that the middle class doesn’t get big enough to break down the power structure. Think about it, the billions spent on the war, and war machine, funded mainly by printing money, creating inflation that penalises the poor and the middle class. We have all suffered from misadventures in Iraq and would be paying 60-80p/litre on petrol if the war had never happened. Blair didn’t represent the public when he duped us about WMD’s. He lied, because he knew that the people didn’t want the war and needed to be cajoled into it, because, fundamentally, people know that aggression is wrong, and counter-productive. Would you be happy to sacrifice your son’s and daughters, nay I say, yourself, to support the empire building that you so aspire to? Where are the bags of gold and oil at your doorstep as a result of Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon Iran?

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  • planning4acrash says:

    P.S. you show a fundamental misunderstanding about money. Follow these links, which are posted on housepricecrash page on academic papers, to get informed:

    Ludwig von Mises Institute

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  • last_days_of_disco says:

    @planning4acrash

    Where do I start. I think your remarks are excellent because the represent the attitude that you will find at dinner parties/tables around the country. They are based on the prevailing wisdom of our day and hence seem to make perfect sense. As to the money remarks, I will bow to your superior wisdom.

    However, I do think that you are missing the point. The idea that we as a country can exist without an effective military capability and keep our first world status is ludicrous. Wars are inevitable I am sorry to say. History rhymes remember. Being stronger is always better than being weak. Being arrogant is obviously unacceptable. But your remark “people know that aggression is wrong, and counter-productive” is complete twaddle.

    Aggression works brilliantly in certain circumstances it is exactly the right solution. It saves lives spectacularly. The most poignant example of this I have seen is the picture of a single Afrikaner policeman running with an automatic rifle towards the scene of a gang fight involving AK47s in Johannesburg. The guy is a hero, he saved hundreds of lives because the gangs ran away when they saw him coming. This belief in the piety of pacifism is the underlying rubbish that completely disables Britain’s ability to really make a difference in the world militarily.

    Yes, I would be proud for my son or daughters to give their lives to serve their country with all its blemishes, because I love it, do you?

    Its time we started behaving a little bit more like a unit instead of always trying to be oh so morally superior.

    “Where are the bags of gold and oil at your doorstep as a result of Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon Iran” — You are joking right? We are such pathetic losers in Iraq and Afghanistan and hopefully the Americans ask us please not to bother coming to Iran with them. Just face facts those were stupid missadventures based on hubris. Also our military has become such a disaster and is so riddled with corruption and inefficiency that its amazing we even were able to do what we did. Obviously you know nothing about the current British army’s woeful state thanks to 10 years of missrule (revenge for your money remark ;-)). From a purely survival point of view I would rather be fighting for the rebels than the British army in Afghanistan, they seem to have better kit and to be better organized and have the support of the locals.

    One thing I am utterly convinced of, if Britain reintroduced the prize system they had during the Napoleonic wars, we would have already have sorted out Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan and made a healthy profit in the undertaking. Additionally the war would have been done and dusted and less people would have been killed. We would give them a lesson in capitalism.

    Ok, now to tie this back to housing prices. A bit of stretch but I will have go. Because we don’t have the means to protect our vital strategic interests ourselves, we piggy back on the back of all those red-neck American GIs who are doing our dirty work (because we deplore such brute violence and aggression), hence we have no economic independence from America. That means, even if we want to pursue different economic policies, i.e. drop out of the “system”, we can’t because the Americans call the tune. We could choose to jump on the backs of the Germans (i.e. the EU) but I think that will be much worse for us because the Germans are nearer and they are oh so convinced that they know the best way of doing *everything*.

    Housing prices are following crash the US, but worse because our economy is in a much worse state. Democracy will be curtailed because its a luxury of being a rich country. There are very few poor countries that have real democracy sad to say.

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  • last_days_of_disco says:

    errata: “Housing prices are following crash the US”, should be, “Housing prices are following the crash in the US”

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  • planning4acrash says:

    I am not against a military capability. What I abhore, is that we have inflation to fund an illegal war based on lies about WMD. Basically, a pre-emptive strike and war against a country that posed no threat against the people, albeit a threat that Saddam may have wanted to nationalise his own country’s oil. Now we have created an even bigger problem for ourselves!

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  • last_days_of_disco says:

    @planning4acrash

    I think we both agree about that, what I think we disagree about is that global capital is an all powerful force that we can’t win against, simple nationalism can break the power of global capital easily, its been done time and again. You are, if I am not mistaken, some flavour of Christian from your other posts. I think you should read the story of the tower of Babel again. Its an excellent example of how these things come to grief.

    I still think you are a pacifist hippy though 😉 (don’t rise to it).

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Well, the Libertarian viewpoint considers that fiat money is not capitalism, that it is a form of command and control economics, not much better than Communism of Fascism. Democracy somewhat avoids the hyperinflation that occurs in fascist regimes, but the affect is actually more incidious in some ways in that it occurs more slowly and is easier to conceal in our system. Like the boiling of a frog.

    The gold standard is actually the tool of the true globalist. A gold standard provides the potential for a stable global currency, without inflation, without exchange rates, etc. It favours industry, saving thrift and hard work, whilst fiat encourages financial speculation, which steals money from workers rather than encouraging work. But, inflation always leads to a recession or depression, eventually. Fiat is the cause of most financial crisis’s. When that happens, socialists blame capitalism, that there is too much capitalism. But it is neither or, it is the case of there being too much fiat money in circulation, and not enough currency stability.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    I am not a complete hippy, I would protect my country and family if directly at threat. BUT, I don’t believe that governments should try to have influence beyond their borders by military means, particularly if it bankrupts them!

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  • planning4acrash says:

    This is actually the behaviour of a true Conservative, who believes in small government by the way! Our debt is now greater than our GDP, and our welfare state would be far smaller without the inflation that has been necessary to pay for our many military adventures over the past two decades. I would rather have less war, less tax and a smaller welfare state (out of reduced need for it).

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