Sunday, June 15, 2008

We CAN do it

How to stop Corporations killing the Internet

I recently posted about plans to end the free access internet system. It was a negative article with no real hope. However, I have written an article in i-power's forum that I hope can engage people into solutions to the risk to our freedom to meet in websites like houspricecrash.co.uk and discuss and debate. This is extremely important to houseprices, because, without websites like this, we would only have been exposed to vested interest articles and would not have been able to debate lies in the press. Without it, many of us would be significantly poorer. I for example almost mortgaged my life away on a £250k hovel in Hackney! So I encourage you to take on board this approach and take it back to your other online communities.

Posted by planning4acrash @ 11:53 AM (1240 views)
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20 thoughts on “We CAN do it

  • Sage words P4aC.

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  • Meaningless twaddle.

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  • The link within the article stating, “The following article cites older industry sources that confirmed all of this years ago, so I recommend you look at it and do your own research: Corporations Plan To Pull Plug On The Free Internet” is a dead link.

    Any chance of the link to some genuine sources of information as opposed to an ample young lady with a bunch of ranting stoned blokes?

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Link repaired. Thanks denzil!

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  • Planning4acrash says:

    The Prison Planet article has changed and now openly criticises i-power, who were on the Alex Jones show last week, claiming to know nothing about historic sources that confirmed this years ago. Alex said, we will give you all the info, but they haven’t done anything to alter this on their website. I think that they hacked the link, because it was right when I first posted it. I’ll keep monitoring it. Let me know if it changes again. Thankyou Denzil.

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  • Nothing personal p4ac but I was being tongue-in-cheek when I commented about posting the same link you did the other day. BTW. Those puppies look as good the second time around.

    The report you link to concludes with:
    “People have raised questions about the report’s accuracy because the claims are not backed by another source, only the “promise” that a Time Magazine report is set to confirm the rumor. ”

    That sentence is really a masterpiece of understatement. As was pointed out to you the day, there is way to much at stake for the basis of your point to ever happen. People were saying the same thing as you around 2000 and they were wrong then too. E-Commerce is way too big and economies would simply go into meltdown, that is fact, not conjecture or conspiracy but good old commensense fact.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Denzil, internet 2 would be for myspace pages and e-commerce. The top corporations would have free access approved e-commerce websites, like, amazon.com – all the rest would be priced into oblivion. It is a viable, corporatist venture that benefits the big e-commerce companies that have controlling stakes in the ISP’s.

    I mean, head the same argument to fiat money. If we had a gold standard, you would be saying, oh, we can’t move to central banks and fiat paper money, because too much commerce and wealth is at stake. Well, the real question is, who’s commerce, whose wealth, and who has the power to manipulate the system into being less effective for the majority, more affective for the minority.

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  • Planning4acrash says:

    Remember that the Great Depression was a great Coup for the financiers and the NWO, because they effectively bought America by monetising all of its debt, and by buying up industry and farming land on the cheap post crash.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Remember that the Great Depression was a great Coup for the financiers and the NWO, because they effectively bought America by monetising all of its debt, and by buying up industry and farming land on the cheap post crash.

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  • @6. planning4acrash – slightly off topic but S2R1 is noticable by absence

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  • shipbuilder says:

    Companies were always going to seek to get more from the web – they have to to survive. It’s heresy to the capitalist system that something should be available for free. Sadly, if it means cheaper products or more ‘security’, most will accept it and only realise the mistake too late. However I get the feeling that the computer-using ‘community’ are a bit hardier than the population at large – their freedoms will not be curtailed without a fight and they are MUCH more powerful than any weekend businessman’s club or governmental body. I rather hope that some will find this out – a concerted effort by a few hackers could wipe out a company overnight.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Shipbuilder, you are right. Bilderburgers did indeed state in their recent press release that they were discussing the issue of cyber-terrorism, and no doubt, the have the CIA ready to counter any insurgency. These are dark times.

    S2R is on holiday in ireland. Presumably he’s been out watching or campaigning on the Lisbon Treaty. One would assume that he has enjoyed many a pint o black stuff in glorious celebration!

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  • Do any of you sad people have a life?

    All that prison planet stuff is rubbish, I cant be bothered arguing with people like you.
    I feel sorry for you. Lets stick to the real economy shall we?

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  • shipbuilder says:

    ‘Intelligence agencies’ and the governments that employ them are incompetent fools in comparison to these people.

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  • last_days_of_disco says:

    I think this is all overblown. If you really want privacy on the Internet you can have it. You do however have to pay a price, like anything.

    The reality is that you do need some kind of policing and that means there has to be a way of identifying people and keeping records.
    The problem I have is that New Labour has been violating all our other rights. Do not think you have a chance maintaining “Internet” rights
    when you can’t protect your other rights.

    Vote them out and get the new government to listen to your concerns and protect your liberty, then “Internet” rights will be safe. People have
    this idea that the Internet is somehow “free” and the hacker spooks will save us. That is wishful thinking based on irrational hope. Why should
    some snotty nosed kid come to all our rescue for no money down.

    No guys, you have to dig down deep and pay the price for this thing, time to seriously engage in the democratic process and get the kids who used to be on the University Student Union out of mainstream politics and sweeping streets and then get the descent folks (i.e. you ;-)) in positions of authority.

    It can still be won and this downturn represents a major opportunity for good as well as evil. But its up to us to get involved. Join a political party, any party that suites you and bring your values into the organization. Its amazing what one conscientious person can do to change the tone and morality of a political organization. Even the Labour party can be turned back into a party that really does good.

    See you at the next Labour/Conservative/LIbdem/etc local meeting.

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  • last_days_of_disco says:

    Also there is an added benefit of being part of a major political party. Its a *lot* harder for the authorities to detain you under the terrorist laws without having a really good reason, your buddies will make a big stink about it and hence protect you. So if you are too lazy to do it for noble reasons, think of that one.

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  • Go back to your online communities – and prepare for governnment !

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  • p4ac

    can you explain this from the article ?

    The interpersonal-net has three rules
    1) You talk about the interpersonal-net
    2) You talk about the interpersonal-net
    3) You talk about the interpersonal-net

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Oh, debt free, it was a bit of fun. It was a play on the three rules of Fight Club. I always dish in a bit of humor to my serious posts! Unfortunately, the jokes tend to be purely for my own benefit, thus beneath the radar for others much the rest of the time!

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  • P4AC I think you are way of the mark with this stuff. What on earth would ISPs gain by restricting access to particular sites? It doesn’t cost them more to allow access to anywhere rather than restrict them. All ISPs need to peer together for the Internet to work, that’s the whole point. It’s quite possible that some execs at some ISPs have been “exploring” alternative cost models – but that doesn’t mean they’ll do it and come on — Canada?

    Corporations aren’t inherently evil in my experience, they just want to make money (well I suppose that could be classed as evil!). All our websites are ad sponsored and we are rewriting them all to have far more user feedback – typically without moderation – and any moderation is only for profanities anyway. Also the ads are always served by 3rd party agencies and we don’t know what’s going to be appearing in there – we have very little control.

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