Wednesday, June 11, 2008

Think I’m going on the social …

The luxury council flats that are rented out to tenants for just £75

THE luxury harbourside apartments have stunning sea views and are built to the highest specifications, with ensuites, walk-in wardrobes, balconies and state-of-the-art kitchens. Just along the coast is the millionaires' enclave of Sandbanks, where property prices are among the highest in the world. Yet for dozens of selected tenants at Harbour Reach in Poole, Dorset, the rent is a mere £75 a week - which will probably be paid from state benefits.

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21 thoughts on “Think I’m going on the social …

  • Landedgentry says:

    if they need a plasma 42″ they can nick one from the private flats just next door, or they can take your porsche boxster for a spin. Scum.

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  • stillthinking says:

    The cost of providing the social housing falls entirely on the purchasers of the new builds, through an abuse of planning restrictions. So calling it social housing is a bit of a misnomer, because basically its paid for by the real buyers in the development. From that point of view, if this had been an ordinary development, then ordinary buyers would be shouldering a huge cost that should be shared across all tax payers in their council area. Basically this isn’t fair.
    The ridiculous thing about social housing was that a long time ago people didn’t want to be in social housing ! They were ashamed.
    Now of course social housing is better than what you would be able to afford yourself, and there is a mad scramble for for the few places, which are worth about 10K extra a year on your salary if you obtain one before you get a job. I have met some people in London who pay 300 a month, admittedly their salary is very low, but the difference between private and public provision is huge. Personally I don’t agree that social housing should be provided in this area, and I don’t think that social housing should be provided in expensive areas. Why? Many people have to move their families for work, social housing is/has become too much of a get a foot in the door.
    Public subsidised housing for the unemployed inherently assumes that the employed are capable of obtaining housing, this is no longer the case. For London specifically, I have never seen the logic in working families living far out to reduce their housing costs, while the unemployed are provided social housing near the main area of jobs, the centre.

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  • stillthinking says:

    Mock if you like, but you can see the consequences of unemployment being preferential to working. Benefits trap for one, delaying employment for another ( common in London, stay unemployed until you get allocated housing ). The cost benefits of social housing outweighs anything you can work for yourself.. Obviously this leads nowhere.
    Suggesting that unemployed get better housing than employed is absurd. People who work in London on the average wage live in little concrete boxes, where do you think they live ? Could somebody on the average wage even afford a dingy one bed flat? No they can’t. They share flats.
    Getting a job in the UK means for many that you lose your rights to decent housing. I don’t think the social housing issue will ever be examined by either party because social housing is the tinderbox of the BNP, and any debate would be radicalised along racial provisioning, so certainly best left alone. However, considering the rights of the unemployed to housing while ignoring the employed is unfair and should be regarded as unfair.

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  • stillthinking says:

    Also, I don’t see many unemployed ruined with debt because they were desperate for somewhere to live, and sick of the high expense of renting.

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  • Still-waiting says:

    This is disgraceful. Poor people should be made to live in little concrete boxes near sewage outlets, under motorway bridges, or near nuclear power stations where honest, decent, hard-working folk like us would not want to live.

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  • Uncle Fargas says:

    Good luck to the council tennents. You would think from the comments that someone was forcing the working population to buy these places for £500K.

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  • Simon_trinity says:

    Please tell me that all of the comments above are meant to be ironic! I sincerely hope so.

    There’s been a lot of far-right nonsence on this site lately. Seems surprising given that we’re here demonstrating that unbridled capitalism doesn’t always work!

    Simon

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  • Still-waiting says:

    Yes, there is a danger of a disincentive to work if the balance between what you can get by working and what you get by not working is not correct (which admittedly it currently isn’t). However your comments about people buying on new developments paying for social housing are not accurate. Most of the cost of the social housing on new developments is met by grant from central government (i.e. taken from all taxpayers across the country). Developers often do quite well out of social housing, particularly in the current climate where they are guaranteed a quick sale to a council or housing association. People buying a new home will pay market value for it, as will anyone buying a house built 30 years ago.

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  • Karla Whiffen, 23, and her 16-month-old daughter Millie live in a one-bed flat with panoramic sea views.

    Miss Whiffen said she could not believe her luck. ‘When I fell pregnant I put my name down on the council housing list then eight months later this place came up.

    This really p*sses me off.

    “when I fell pregnant”.

    There are thousands of responsible couples who would like to start a family but can’t afford it in the present circumstances and have their whole lives on hold. This single person “fell pregnant”. It just happened did it?

    What is the point of being responsible?

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  • What is interesting is that the specifications of social flats in some developments are better than the flats that are sold to the public, because the local authority has regulations about how big rooms have to be in social housing etc. It is not that I believe that social housing should be concrete boxes, but that all flats etc. approved in a local authority should at least meet the same standards.

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  • Yet another government policy the consequences of which were not thought through. Was the decision to enforce a social housing quota in this development a local planning decision or was it mandated by central government? Do the local authorities have no flexibility at all in this matter? I can’t believe a local housing officer or planning officer would have let this pass, unless their hands were tied by central govt.

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  • nopensionnohouse says:

    I don’t read the daily mail because it always makes me so angry!

    Take this with a pinch of salt. There is no way this can be 100% true.

    This is what the Mail do!

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  • matt_the_hat says:

    What a pathetic bunch we have on here, all sitting on your ar5es moaning about what other people get. I’m sure its no fun being unemployed (which might yet be something that most people on this site will experience in the near future) and having to bring a baby up by oneself. Get a life….house prices are finally coming down… if people were a little less greedy then there would be plenty to go around. One last thing, when commenting on other peoples situation just consider how lucky most of us have been (good parents, good school, good friends, safe country, the rule of law), if those complaining are so bl00dy hard working and intelligent then I ask the question would you spin the dice again or is your current situation more down to random luck than perceived skill. GROW UP…..

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  • Landedgentry says:

    This is a scheme to get low income voters into more affluent areas.

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  • Comment at end of article. Exactly what I would have thought would happen:

    “I moved out of Poole 18 months ago, I could see this happening then. The council have been giving them away as the developers have not been able to sell them. This is not just a few flats we are talking hundreds and hundreds on all the town centre developments. When we started seeing large gangs of youths and vandalism appear in our previously quiet area we new it was time to get out. I feel sorry for the people who paid top dollar for these flats.

    – Neil, Wimborne, 10/6/2008 14:00”

    I don’t see any sense in demanding social housing be included in the same blocks as new private housing. Would have thought three social housing units could be built further out for the cost of one in these prime locations. Just because regulations force developers to include social housing, it does not mean that social housing has been provided ‘for free’. It has been paid for by the mortgages of the private buyers. God help this country.

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  • Landedgentry says:

    Must be a terrible living on one of these developments, instead of social cohesion which was one of the intentions of this scheme, there will be a a type of apartheid system. What happens when all the posh people hold a cocktail party @ one of their properties and don’t invite the social people in the block? a tribe mentaility of us and them and were not good enough will form, breeding more resentment. A bizzare form of social engineering between people that have very little to do with each other in their day to day lives.

    Maybe, the more affluent may raise the bar for the social people to do better, work harder, but I doubt it, they will see their education and affluence and feel envy and inferior.

    I’m all in favour of people comming together, but on their own terms. I don’t want to be forced into Europe, but that doesn’t stop me having continental friends.

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  • Tipping Point says:

    matt_the_hat

    Fate is not controllable, peoples decisions and actions are. The argument being put here is that we need to have a housing policy that incentives people to contribute to society.

    If the current system benefits those that don’t then the country falls apart as is happening slowly at the moment. Don’t get me wrong, I do not think social housing is a major cause for concern, its just one more factor why the UK is becoming a less attractive place to live.

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  • matt_the_hat said…
    “What a pathetic bunch we have on here, all sitting on your ar5es moaning about what other people get”

    There is a big difference between complaining about abuse of the system or lack of personal responsibility and whinging simply because someone has something that someone else doesn’t.

    You should feel very differently about helping someone who suffers a ‘poor spin of the dice’ from someone who goes out to deliberately screw the system with no regard for those others who pay for it.

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  • Still-waiting says:

    I tried to post this before but it hasn’t shown up: It is not the mortgages of private buyers which cover the bulk of the cost of the social housing provision on a development, it is grant from central government which comes from EVERYONE’s taxes, including those who rent.

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  • Tiggerthetiger says:

    These blocks are the future slums anyway.I wouldnt want to live in one.So why not let some of the less articulate/poor,inadequate people,or whatever one wants to call them,live in them.These blocks are rubbish

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  • landofconfusion says:

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    > I’m sure its no fun being unemployed (which might yet be something that most people on this site will experience in the near future) and having to bring a baby up by oneself.

    On the opposite side of the town where I live there are several estates of social housing. Being brought up in this town I happen to know several of the families who live on those estates and I agree with you completely. The single mothers spend good 5-8 hours a day sitting around doing nothing or having to deal with their (unofficial) live-in boyfriend. They also have to deal with their dole ticket kids’ lack of attendance at school and behavior.

    And that’s not to mention all the alcohol, tobacco & grass that they have to find money for.

    Yes, life must be really hard for them.

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