Tuesday, May 20, 2008

Get informed.

Taking the Liberties

Think that you may want to protest at some point against the theft of our wealth from monetising the debt? From bailing out international financiers with our money? From being priced out of having a home and family by the banks for the past decade? Think again. Good O'l Mr Blair took away that liberty from you. Watch "TAKING THE LIBERTY" to see what you don't read in the newspapers. It is a shocking but hilarious polemic documentary that charts the destruction of all your Basic Liberties under 10 Years of New Labour. Released to coincide with Tony Blair's departure, the film and the book follow the stories of normal people who's lives have been turned upside down by injustice - from being arrested for holding a placard outside parliament to being tortured in Guantanamo Bay.

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20 thoughts on “Get informed.

  • planning4acrash says:

    http://www.Amnestyinternational.org
    http://www.CAMPAAC.co.uk

    http://www.no2id.net
    – If enough people refuse to hold ID cards, they will scrap them.
    Incase you don’t manage to get to the end, here are the links they suggest, and a quote that sums it all up.

    http://www.liberty-human-rights.org
    – Learn more about your rights and liberties.

    When people fear the Government, there is tyranny
    When the government fear the people, there is liberty
    Thomas Jefferson

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  • japanese uncle says:

    When I visited Reichstag in Berlin last time, I had a chance to have a chat with a police officer guarding the German parliamentary building.

    ‘Officer, do you know what makes this particular building so famous throughout the world?’
    ‘Yes, Adolf Hitler set fire and put a blame on the communists’
    ‘Absolutely! Incidentally, don’t you think nearly the same thing happened in New York in 2001?’
    ‘Frankly none of my colleagues believes the rubbish American government want us to believe. A friend of mine is a pilot, and he told me that maneuvering a large jet airliner into the skyscraper was an incredibly difficult task. No chance for any make-shift pilot who trained just by simulator.’

    German cops are certainly better enlightened, and open-minded, aren’t they?

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  • JU – what is your alternative version of events? Do you think that planes did not hit the towers?

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  • Your German policeman also speaks remarkably good English and doesn’t mind being patronised!

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  • james – official version – no plane hit WTC7

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  • malct – yes, and?

    Ju said – “A friend of mine is a pilot, and he told me that maneuvering a large jet airliner into the skyscraper was an incredibly difficult task.” Which suggests he believes no planes hit any towers. I’d like to know how he manages to square that belief with all the evidence to the contrary.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    James, if you want to know what happened on 9/11, watch:

    http://www.loosechange911.com/finalcut/

    Of course, you need to investigage for yourself, and you can google screw loose change, but there aren’t many other things on the web that try, inefectually, imho to support the government’s conspiracy theory.

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  • I have watched loose change. It’s a tissue thin conglomeration of falsehoods and smears, imho. However, it doesn’t try and claim that planes didn’t hit the towers. JU and his german policeman do. What does he think happened?

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Look at the earlier versions. Basically, they claim that planes hit and that devices were throughout the buildings.

    A third building fell, WTC7. Just after the first two fell. It was a CIA HQ, with the Mayors bunker. It fell, no planes hit it. You need to separate the issues of WTC7 from the twin towers.

    Guys, talking about this police state stuff, a huge two blade (Cheroke?) helicopter just flew over my flat, with the back open, it was so close and I saw out of my window soldiers looking into my window. It was no less than 50ft up. That was the second circle its done today. What the Fu*K? I fear that something is up and about to happen here in London. I’m in EC1, what the heck are army helicopters doing a low mission with the loading bay open over the freaking Barbican? Did anybody else living or working in the City see it or any others like it?

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  • planning4acrash says:

    James, you have a decision to make. Are Bush and Blair, after lying their way into Iraq, is their conspiracy theory to be believed? Or, are you willing to take blinkers off and actually ask questions posed by independent individuals? Come on out with it, what actual part of the independent theory do you put into question? The CIA don’t have ANY evidence linking Osama with 9/11, it is all conjectural!!

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  • p4ac – the chopper’s a twin rotor ‘Chinook’

    you should try living in crop circle country

    they’re always ‘lookin for clues’ (thanks Robert Palmer) sometimes in the dark with no lights

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  • dohousescrashinthewoods says:

    If you get “this video is not available right now” (malct, p4ac and titaniccaptain, I’m looking for a volley of conspiracy here), try this one

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  • dohousescrashinthewoods says:

    I’ve seen a lot more Chinooks flying around Surrey of late – starting to feel a bit militarised around here. That and we now regularly have (police?) helicopters buzzing around, whereas a couple of years back we never had any such activity. It can be stressful.

    I’m not too keen on the hard-core hyper-conjectural tenuous-link conspiracy stuff, because much of it smacks of counter-manipulation, or just part of the plan to breed hate ald fear.

    Like most people, I know we’re not getting the truth. I strongly feel that our civil liberties and basic humanities are being systematically swiped from under our noses whilst we, the people, look on in credulous, disinformed appeasement of the advancing state.

    I want to leave before they close the airports.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Bottom line is, we SHOULD be protesting about this. Anybody fancy arranging a Housepricecrash rally? Against rampant price booms and crashes, bailing out of banks, failure to regulate mortgages appropriately, allowing the pound to tumble to facilitate a housing boom? Anybody fancy arranging a rally at Parliament Square? This website gets national media attention folks. We’d get coverage.

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  • planning4acrash says:

    Fundamentally, it would be a rally against the Treasury and the Bank of England. Ideally, timed to co-incide with interest rate setting. Boy, I’d like to do it once a month!

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  • I am sick of this bs, p4ac – *you* need to separate wtc7 from the twin towers. I’ve not mentioned wtc7 – stop obfuscating. Simple clarification requested from JU and his overly friendly (fictional) German policeman – do you not believe that planes actually did hit the twin towers? If not, how do you explain the (literally hundreds) of eyewitnesses? You idiot conspiracists are always demanding your questions to be answered, but you can’t respond to a single straight question.

    here’s a question for you – why are you prepared to believe any garbage posted on the net? There is no ‘independent theory’ as you like to call it. Where is the narrative? Who did it, in your version of events and why? Even the king of the idiots, s2r1, admits he can’t provide one. The only way you can connect loose change’s guff into a narrative runs like this article.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11818067/the_low_post_the_hopeless_stupidity_of_911_conspiracies/2

    BUSH: So, what’s the plan again?

    CHENEY: Well, we need to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. So what we’ve decided to do is crash a whole bunch of remote-controlled planes into Wall Street and the Pentagon, say they’re real hijacked commercial planes, and blame it on the towelheads; then we’ll just blow up the buildings ourselves to make sure they actually fall down.

    RUMSFELD: Right! And we’ll make sure that some of the hijackers are agents of Saddam Hussein! That way we’ll have no problem getting the public to buy the invasion.

    CHENEY: No, Dick, we won’t.

    RUMSFELD: We won’t?

    CHENEY: No, that’s too obvious. We’ll make the hijackers Al Qaeda and then just imply a connection to Iraq.

    RUMSFELD: But if we’re just making up the whole thing, why not just put Saddam’s fingerprints on the attack?

    CHENEY: (sighing) It just has to be this way, Dick. Ups the ante, as it were. This way, we’re not insulated if things go wrong in Iraq. Gives us incentive to get the invasion right the first time around.

    BUSH: I’m a total idiot who can barely read, so I’ll buy that. But I’ve got a question. Why do we need to crash planes into the Towers at all? Since everyone knows terrorists already tried to blow up that building complex from the ground up once, why don’t we just blow it up like we plan to anyway, and blame the bombs on the terrorists?

    RUMSFELD: Mr. President, you don’t understand. It’s much better to sneak into the buildings ourselves in the days before the attacks, plant the bombs and then make it look like it was exploding planes that brought the buildings down. That way, we involve more people in the plot, stand a much greater chance of being exposed and needlessly complicate everything!

    And then do the Pentagon too. And then crash a plane into rural Pennsylvania for no real reason at all. YOU ARE A MORON. A CREDULOUS FOOL.

    Listen to this:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5658516

    On 9/11, thousands of real people died. Don’t take this stuff lightly. You’re not ‘seeking the truth’, you’re playing a parlour game. You should be ashamed.

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  • Landofconfusion says:

    > 6. planning4acrash said…
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    > Ideally, timed to co-incide with interest rate setting. Boy, I’d like to do it once a month!

    It would only get banned under anti-terror laws. After all, the printing presses are now a key function of government.

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  • 7. James said…
    malct – yes, and?

    The collapse of New York’s World Trade Centre on September 11, 2001 is arguably one of the most well documented events in human history. Less well documented is the controversy over why the buildings fell as they did.

    At the time of writing, 357 architectural and engineering professionals have signed a petition which directly challenges the National Institute of Standards & Training’s official finding that the destruction of these massive buildings was caused solely by structural damage from the impact of jet airliners and the resulting fires.

    A major focus of research is the mysterious collapse of the
    47 storey WTC 7 (Salomon Brothers) Building, which was not hit by any plane, yet suddenly collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon of September 11, 2001.

    Building 7 came down in six and a half seconds, generating a massive dust-cloud similar to the one that had enveloped Manhattan when the Twin Towers collapsed earlier the same day.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2240510.htm

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  • Great cut and paste. How’s about you answer the question?

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