Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006

Social problems brewing over lack of housing

BBC "News": Housing 'key to far right rise'

MPs say the lack of housing is fuelling propaganda from far right loons. The government replies - "No it isn't", ignores problem and hopes problem will go away.

Posted by paul @ 07:36 PM (434 views)
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1. mikexx said...

Stories like this will have more impact on the big two parties than any whinging on our part. It's quite ironic I was chatting to a local Tory canvasser and said I would vote for anyone increasing the stock of houses including the BNP! Keep it up.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:28AM Report Comment
 

2. Bulltraderpt said...

Right down at the bottom of the article '"I don't think it's justifiable to say, for instance, that a Brazillian who arrives yesterday [with limited residential entitlement] has the same rights to social capital. I have heard Black and Asian people be the most aggressive about immigrants because of this issue."

So does that mean that Black and Asian people are being er 'rasict'? No, of course not, they just want some equality just like British people who get thrown to the bottom of the pile because of labour's open door policy to cheap workers.

Although I do not agree with the BNP hard right stand on any one whose skin colour is not white (that is plainly ridiculous), I do agree that it is the labour party which has made this situation worse.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 05:26AM Report Comment
 

3. paul said...

I posted this not because I think that there's a jutifiable or particularly valid link with the lack of housing and the far right at all.

It's because I'm convinced this is the tip of a very large iceberg of social unrest because of the depleted supply of affordable housing. This is even ignoring the longer term effects of a lack of FTB properties and a lack of family housing, which could be economically far more dire - especially when the government closes in on reaping some of the profits from homeowners I think there will be protests.

Just as pensioners are being thrown in prison (only of course to have their debts paid by the local councillor, fearful of negative publicity) so we will likely see homeowners taking protest stances as bills from all sides (council, utility, travel) start spiralling.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 09:18AM Report Comment
 

4. tyrellcorporation said...

Paul, I admire your sentiment but I honestly believe the average UK citizen does not have it in them to protest about anything anymore. I find it sobering that the most militant people in the UK are now pensioners. Think about it for a second. The rioting, marching, stone-throwing youth of yesteryear are too busy drinking lattes and eating croissants to care about anything. It is left to the 80 years olds with dodgy hips and blue rinses to make plackards at home and take to the streets about government waste, high taxes and poor social care.

Bewildering!

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 09:44AM Report Comment
 

5. paul said...

tyrell you're quite right to a degree. There are three things that have got me thinking recently though that make me think differently. The first was someone's clever brick and elastic band analogy. There is an undercurrent of discontent about the price of housing, especially in the SE where not everyone works for an international bank or at Westminster.

People do protest when they think they've been hoodwinked. If the Iraq war can get people out onto the streets ...

The other thing is growing concern at housing being left out of the inflation stats. The media currently pounces on any organization that raises prices above inflation and gives them the old-fashioned equivalent of a public flogging about it. Ever since the BofE unwisely decided to throw HPI out of the measured inflation stats, the issue has been biting away and has now grown to be a huge elephant in the living room.

The third thing is (I think Uncle Tom's) idea that the political, economic and social fallout from the current run on house prices and the after effects will be so bad that it will prompt the new administration to knock together legislation to cap banks' income multiple lending - for ever more.

Another year of negligible retail sales, more speculation on housing and even more social problems will do it. I'm quite sure.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:45AM Report Comment
 

6. denzil said...

Paul said:
>>It's because I'm convinced this is the tip of a very large iceberg of social unrest because of the depleted supply of affordable housing.
I'm completely with you on this but I would not limit it to the above. Add the fact that the economic miracle has been propped up by the indebted punter and council housing is given to migrants in priority to those who were born and raised within that area. Somebody mentioned hoodwinking. When Gordon's miracle economy shows its true face is that of an potemkin economy the house of cards will collapse. Recently there has been talk of the economy taking up the baton from the consumer. If that occurs and growth can happen without high levels of immigration and HPI and consumer debt my pessimism of Brown's economic miracle will be wrong and I will happily admit to it.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:40AM Report Comment
 

7. Doomwatch said...

This is just the kind of social debate that appears on Starkey's last word (More4 11pm, weekdays)

http://www.channel4.com/more4/microsites/L/lastword/

My only concern is that the VI sponsored Beeney brigade section of C4 may get an influence.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 01:26PM Report Comment
 

8. Eddie_lomax said...

mikexx said
> Stories like this will have more impact on the big two parties than any whinging on our part. It's quite ironic I was chatting to a local Tory canvasser and said I would vote for anyone
> increasing the stock of houses including the BNP! Keep it up.

Got to disagree, its not more of Prescotts "High density housing" (which in old timer speak used to be called slums) we need, its less people, too many of our current problems from housing to global warming are caused by too high a population is a relatively small island. Cut out immigration, let the population decline and we solve the housing problem, cut down on polution in the UK, reduce oil use etc. As for moving the problem elsewhere, yep its true, but the average Nigerian uses a fraction of the energy an average Briton uses.

It won't happen short of a revolution though as a high population floats supports the big earners profits, and thats what is driving everything today.

Wednesday, November 29, 2006 05:01PM Report Comment
 

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