Saturday, Nov 11, 2006

BBC Video: House price protests in Spain

BBC News Video: House price protests in Spain

Thousands of young Spaniards have become so frustrated with property prices that they regularly stage demonstrations. If we thought the situation in the UK looked bad, Spain seems to have it worse. Maybe we should stage demonstrations too?

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1. tyrellcorporation said...

You're kidding aren't you! The UK population are labotomised!

They only march when petrol goes up a bit or Big Brother is cancelled...

Saturday, November 11, 2006 07:48PM Report Comment
 

2. Pricedout. Org. Uk said...

There's been talk on www.pricedout.org.uk about organising one of these...

Saturday, November 11, 2006 07:59PM Report Comment
 

3. inbreda said...

tyrell - sad but true.

If you think of the slaughter in Iraq, and the lies that were told to take us there - and Tony Blair is stil prime minister !?!?!?!

It's such an assualt on democracy you'd expect protests to be continuous and violent - but there's hardly anything.

X Factor must be on.

Saturday, November 11, 2006 08:12PM Report Comment
 

4. kpjcomp said...

This country is getting bonkers, and it needs some sort of demonstrations.

What really got me angry this week was when the BNP won it's court case, and then Gordon said that they would have to look at changing the law.
Now I'm not a BNP supporter but saying you will change the law because you lost is practically a dictatorship. In fact I that sort of move by Gordon, makes me want to support BNP.

And yet you here stories of that lady who's practically had here flat stolen, because 2 Pole's claimed squaters rights. Yeah I'm not a BTL fan, but that was just damb right steeling. If I was her, I might try and find 2 big friends with 2 big baseball bats. Oh no, should I say that? might get done for the "Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2005". Oh, well they will just have to kick me out of this country, it's a shith*le anyway.

So in other words-> steeling somebody's house is fine, but speaking your mind is of course much much worse. Frigging Goverment, I can't beleive I was once a Labour suporter!! How frigging stupid do I feel now??

Saturday, November 11, 2006 09:59PM Report Comment
 

5. V De Vivienda said...

Here you can see last house price protest at Barcelona (30 September)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4qac2A6h2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwSB2PbaR3o

More info at: http://www.vdevivienda.net

Sunday, November 12, 2006 01:20AM Report Comment
 

6. Crashedoutandburned said...

The Beeb are at it again. The problem isn't excessive banking and the nightmare of inflation the Euro has given Spain. It's not that the world and his wife have hoovered up homes as buy-to-let.

Nope, the it's 'corruption' and 'scams'. How the heck does giving a council official a back-hander to build an aprtment block make prices rise? Under supply and demand, surely that would just create more homes and falling prices?

It's speculation, greed, and a rotten banking system.

Sunday, November 12, 2006 09:10AM Report Comment
 

7. inbreda said...

kpjcomp - did you mean 'dumb' instead of 'damb'?

the BNP lot would not have got off at all if they were brown - they would have been held without even having charges bought against them under the anti-terrorism laws.

Squatters have been round for a long time. As soon as you here about a couple of foreigners squatting it becomes some kind of justification for racism?

Perhaps I'm incorrectly thinking that you are inferring some level of moral support for the BNP on this basis, but really kpj - one bad Pole (or even two in this case) does not a slaughter justify.

Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:29AM Report Comment
 

8. Retiredbanker said...

inbreda-

I have had some of my collection of vintage cameras renovated by a Polish chap who is reputed to be one of the leading camera
restorers in the UK.
He told me that whilst the initial wave of Poles coming here were useful people, "we were now getting a lot of drossers".

A lot of what kpjcomp says is right.I have been told by various members of the police that they have been instructed to avoid
confrontational situations where ethnic minorities are concerned. Are you not aware of the complaints from residents of Brixton
and other inner London boroughs that the police just stand by and watch whilst drug dealing takes place.

PC= politically correct

Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:07AM Report Comment
 

9. kpjcomp said...

>> Perhaps I'm incorrectly thinking that you are inferring some level of moral support for the BNP on this basis, but really kpj -
>> one bad Pole (or even two in this case) does not a slaughter justify.

Strange!!, my reference to BNP was nothing to do with the Pole's.

And just as I thought, somebody would pull out the race card. It appears that if your a different race, and you do something wrong, if somebody points this out "hey presto, your a racist.".

Sunday, November 12, 2006 12:08PM Report Comment
 

10. little professor said...

Copy/Paste from an earlier post:

Interesting piece on PM on Radio 4 yesterday - apparently in Spain 70% of under 35s still live at home with their parents, due to the high cost of houses. Prices have risen by 400% in 5 years. There've been street protests and riots.

Sunday, November 12, 2006 01:05PM Report Comment
 

11. Bfskinner said...

kpjcomp,

actually you post referenced Poles explicitly! You mention two tennants who had claimed squaters rights and explicitly mentioned they where Polish as if that were relevant somehow.

Sunday, November 12, 2006 01:32PM Report Comment
 

12. paul said...

inbreda,

I'm afraid I think you've walked into that one in your innocence - it's not about their race its about their claiming squatters rights.

There are a host of social issues bubbling away quietly under the surface in the UK surrounding unaffordable housing. There are a smug few whose next move will be trading downwards, or who own their properties outright (2/3 of the population I understand), but their interests are being served at the collosal detriment of the rest. When spending from overstretched FTBs dries up, repossessions kick in in force and people stop having children because of unaffordable housing the government will listen.

I admit it could still be some years away though.

I wonder how much longer this can go on in the UK without riots developing.

Sunday, November 12, 2006 02:41PM Report Comment
 

13. inbreda said...

OK - I've re-read the post and I stand by what I said. Please note I used the word 'infer' because it seems to me that kpj is inferring that the BNP is a 'good' thing, and situations where - and I quote - "because 2 Pole's claimed squaters rights" would be stopped by the BNP.

Why else are the two things mentioned in the same blog?

"Now I'm not a BNP supporter but ..."
"...makes me want to support BNP."
"...practically had here flat stolen, because 2 Pole's..."

Please don't try to tell me that I'm imagining racism here. It looks fairly plain to me.

I really don't understand why people feel the need to have such hatred against an entire race or ethnic group just because of the actions of a couple of bad apples, that are not proportionally greater in number than in their own race or ethnic group. It's ignorant, arrogant and pure evil.

Sunday, November 12, 2006 03:20PM Report Comment
 

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15. Ticktock said...

I am an arch opponant of the BNP, but agree with KPJ that the suggestion from Brown to change the law in order to 'get them' in future, is appalling. Like it or not, even Fascism has a legitimate right to its views in a democracy, so long as they adhere to the rules of the game.
I do understand that the first election the BNP ever won would probably be the last we were allowed to freely vote in, and the serious problems that right wing populism causes for democracy in times of stress. But attempting to apply different sets of rules to different political partys is wrong, foolish, and as with all New Labour schemes, will have totaly the opposite effect to that which is intended.
The relative growth of the BNP, is the product of foolish, foreign, 'new economy' ideas, and the betrayel of the the working class by Blair and his Bilderberg friends, not necesserily just a reflection of 'anti ethnic' sentiment .
The Brtish working class have a long fuse indeed, but it has certainly been lit now. Lit by the treason of this Government, its collaberation with foreign agents, its sacrafice of our society, our values, and our honour, in the defence of foreign interests, and under the star spangled bannor of a foreign ideology.

Sunday, November 12, 2006 03:57PM Report Comment
 

16. bidin'matime said...

Inbreda - it saddens me when people wear their racial prejudices on their sleeves, ready to be offended at the slightest inference. It stifles debate and only promotes the cause of extremists.

Oh, and it's 'down-right'

Sunday, November 12, 2006 08:14PM Report Comment
 

17. kpjcomp said...

Inbreda,

>> Please don't try to tell me that I'm imagining racism here. It looks fairly plain to me.

Really!!!?, well that just goes to prove how stupid this country is, looks like you really have to watch what you say nowadays.
My link was the fact the goverment goes on about changing the law because it's lost a case, and yet a stupid laws like the squatters rights exist, and I don't see Gordon wanting to change the law for that.

My ""...makes me want to support BNP." was in reference to Gordon, with a hint of spit in your face matey!! sorry that went over your head, but with such a big chip on your shoulder, to be expected I soppose.

You've got a serious problem there, like bidin'matime has pointed out. The problem is that sort of instant Racial Card, does more harm than good. You keep making out people are raciest then that in itself breeds resentment. Think about it!!

Put it another way, if I were a racist like you seem to have deduced then I most likely would'nt give a monkey's what you say anyway. So I soppose responding to this with "yes you are", would be pretty futile. But if you think continuing is likely to help with the world of racial equality, then please continue..

Sunday, November 12, 2006 09:08PM Report Comment
 

18. indiablue19 said...

Sorry, but this discussion has all the signs of a violent agreement. I believe both parties are saying that they hate injustice, and they hate the mislabeling of injustice. I think we are all aware that issues become sensitized when culture, nationality and colour are included in the mix. None of these defining details really belong in the discussion of whether justice was done or not and labeling by race or nationality actively confuses debate. Whether squatter's rights is legal has nothing to do with people being Polish. Is squatter's rights OK with us, or does it constitute nominal theft? That is the question.

The confusing issue about the BNP is that they too have rights in a democracy, despite their defensive posturing which many deplore, and which would presumably deprive other UK citizens of their rights. That Gordon Brown wants to withdraw free speech because the BNP won a court case is reason for pause, as would be the impulse to change any law that didn't suit his immediate punitive purpose post-trial.

We can speculate what might happen to people of colour who actively called for the demise of others, as the BNP is doing. Many people of colour have protested with signs of extreme hatred these days. How should this be handled in such desperate times when so many are feeling unappreciated and unconsidered -- or entirely excluded?

If anyone's going to protest on housing and the issue of who deserves housing and why they should have it, I suggest the language of debate should be clarified first, or the protesters are going to look quite silly. Can we agree that what is legal for one should be legal for all, despite colour and nationality? Are all entitled to housing and a decent life? I believe that is what the European Union implies. Now the question for all of the EU is how to carry this out amongst people, all of whom need housing, jobs and dignity; when the obvious priority of others is to milk the situation for all they can by making one and all owe more money to the banks. And there is the outstanding question of how wholesale migration is being handled.

Whose fault are these inequities? How does this result in common people fighting one another? Where should the onus be for these conditions? How shall we resolve them?

From anything I know of their prior postings, KPJComp and Inbreda are both upstanding citizens, but have waded into a difficult area here that doesn't lend itself to blogging.

Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:11PM Report Comment
 

19. Boarder said...

"Racism" to some people on this board seems to be "treating people differently because they aren't a UK citizen".

The pathetic "racist!!!" chants to try and shutdown discussion are very detrimental.

Monday, November 13, 2006 07:58AM Report Comment
 

20. Nelson said...

I really don't visit this website to read about the BNP - and I totally support inbreda's comments. There are some tenuous links indeed for some posters to rant on about immigration - go and buy the Daily Mail if that's your thing, or join the BNP and leave this website alone for intelligent comments on house prices.

Monday, November 13, 2006 08:42AM Report Comment
 

21. waitingfor hpc said...

God I wish indiablue19 said would take these views somehwere else. She had a pop at me for very much the same thing. And as she said to me this is a HPC site anyway.. !!! (enjoyed that)

kpjcomp....... WE AGREE. By that I mean all 15 people in my office that have read your statement. And we agree that all that Nu Labour have done is help the cause of the BNP. Many of us just want real common sense back in the world. Way too much PC, and in our humble opinion we are a dictatorship run by idiotic socialist do gooders.

Monday, November 13, 2006 08:49AM Report Comment
 

22. indiablue19 said...

waitingforhpc....

I don't recall having a "pop" at you. That isn't my purpose, with you or anyone. My comments in respect to this particular discussion are with the hope of not "popping" anyone and suggesting that we all don't get involved in "popping" on such complex issues that aren't easy to discuss on a blog, but at least try to keep the discussion productive without name calling and labelling, either each other or various parts of the population. Also, why in particular do you refer to me as a "she"?

Monday, November 13, 2006 10:39AM Report Comment
 

23. Tormy said...

getting away from all the BNP chat, thanks de vivienda, i watched the videos of the Spanish housing protests, very impressive. Will check priced out.org to c if anything getting organised on a large scale in this country, bring it on!

Monday, November 13, 2006 11:02AM Report Comment
 

24. Chillilizard said...

I've been wondering for a while now: Why is it that the british populace will complain about petrol going to 90p/litre but they glumly accept everything else? I'm South African, and growing up there, you generally think to yourself 'Hey this stuff happens because I'm in the third world. In the UK, people stand up for their rights. Policitians are held accountable by the media and the people'.

What an education I've had! There is no arguing that there are many things that are still right about the UK. A shithole you say? Yeah, but not as bad as some other places. What worries me is that things that make it good are primarily investment (train system, roads), and I don't see much of that being managed well. (pipes from the vic era).

Hell - Thames Water owned by foreigners. Shouldn't there be a law against that - surely water is a strategic/national interest? Surely whoever owns it, has a monopoly? When did this become privatised anyway? What were the people doing then? Did anyone notice? I think there is something very wrong about a company making profits on the water you get out of the tap.


I've come to the belief that you live in the society to stand up for. If the british people let all this pass, then who can blame those who profit? Surely someone else would just profit in their stead? Maybe it comes down to education, the kids today don't have a clue what to stand up for. Or maybe its that british sense of 'proper behavour', which i thought was just a rumour.





Monday, November 13, 2006 12:08PM Report Comment
 

25. inbreda said...

I don't want to exacerbate the debate as I think it's getting futile.

Suffice to say, I stand by my comments and agree wholeheartedly with Ticktock, IndiaBlue19 and Nelson.

I disagree with bidinmatime (notthefirsttime)

And I have no idea what Boarder is talking about.

Monday, November 13, 2006 12:53PM Report Comment
 

26. Ticktock said...

Waiting,

Sorry, I have to restate again....We are run by Capitalists (liberal hand wringing capitalist maybe, but capitalists all the same) NOT socialists. There is nothing remotely socialist about neo-liberal capitalism, and it is therefore disingenious to blame 'socialism' for the failures of the current capitalist system.
You cant seriously still believe that nu-labour are, or ever were, socialists can you?
Ask Socialists, or Trade Unionists etc what they think of this Government and you will here the word 'fascist' more often mentioned than the word 'comrade'.

Monday, November 13, 2006 02:52PM Report Comment
 

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