Sunday, Oct 29, 2006

Soldiers to avoid council tax...

Firstrung: Council tax exemption for armed forces

Soldiers on the frontline duty in Iraq and Afghanistan will not have to pay council tax under plans to be unveiled in the New Year according to the Daily Mirror. Chancellor Gordon Brown has apparently ordered officials to work out the cost of the move, which is backed by Tony Blair.

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1. japanese uncle said...

Existing rights and privileges of the people are devoured under the name of benefit principle in which those who actually benefit should pay its cost. Healthcare is on top of its list, and that throughout the world. Then why not apply this esteemed principle in the cost of keeping armed forces. Let the real beneficiary of their service pay their costs. I am referring to weapons manufacturers, oil giants, gas giants, megabanks, unscruplous investment groups, such as Carlisle, Halliburton, etc. and their real owners. Soldiers' council taxes must be met by these parties who count their profit by each bodybag.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:08AM Report Comment
 

2. harold said...

Japanese uncle - you mean 'the polluter pays' principle? Mmm, interesting idea- The Halliburton Hospital for War Vets.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:22AM Report Comment
 

3. japanese uncle said...

Yes. Actually not only council tax but all the cost for the armed forces should be met by those who really benefit from their service. In many theatres of war, Iraq above all, thousands of mercenaries are hired to do some marginal operations, outside the 'official' jurisdiction of the armed forces, including the protection of unarguably private interests or illegal missions such as assassinations. They cost roughly ten times more than the servicemens' payroll. Warmongers must appreciate the real cost of waging wars. In their current business model, taxpayers are bearing the cost (and soldiers are paying with their own lives) while warmongers reap the benefit. If they realise wars are not run on paying basis, they might start thinking about investing in space development or colonization of planets (unless they are inhabited hopefully ), which is much better.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:41AM Report Comment
 

4. talking rot said...

Soliders pay a version of council tax called CILOC, which is deducted from pay at source. This is a fixed amount based upon length of Service and the type of accomodation they live in. It is not based upon where the soldier lives. This is why soldiers based in Canada, Germany, Bosnia, Kosovo, Falkland Isles, America etc all pay the soldier-equivalent of Council Tax. This is completely barking! It is yet another example of this Glubberment's policy of tax, tax and more tax.

Tony Bliar has sent our soldiers on more and more dubious missions then any other premier - yet soldiers are taxed as if they are in the UK. It is about time Tony Bliar recognizes the contribution soldiers make to this country. I wonder how he managed to get it past Crash Gordon - did he have to ask Gordon's permission?

Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:19PM Report Comment
 

5. indiablue19 said...

And all this assuming you can compensate someone sufficiently to give their life for megapolic greed.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:58PM Report Comment
 

6. Gundog said...

More vote winning ideas, by apearing to be the Forces Friend they are hoping to garner votes from Joe Public, and hopefully the Army. Wont work

Sunday, October 29, 2006 03:59PM Report Comment
 

7. inbreda said...

They're all going to die horrible deaths anyway - what's the point in caring whether they pay tax?

If they're dumb enough to be soldiers and be sent on Blairs crusades, surely they're not going to be bright enough to worry about taxes

Sunday, October 29, 2006 05:14PM Report Comment
 

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10. japanese uncle said...

We must not forget there are considerable number of the so called economic conscripts. I have no sympathy with officers who chose this career as his profession, but lowly soldiers are different story.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 05:53PM Report Comment
 

11. Airdefencecaptain said...

Inbreda, I resent your comment about the Armed Forces, As a regular viewer of HPC I think that the website is particularly valid to Forces, who by no fault of their own find it difficult to get on the housing ladder. Having served for 22 years with the British Army I am proud to be a member of the Armed forces and when I go to my grave, albeit by horrible death or natural causes I can at least say that I have done something brave, interesting and worthwhile with my life.

Lets stick with the subject at hand and stop insulting the bloggers on this site !!

Sunday, October 29, 2006 05:54PM Report Comment
 

12. Airdefencecaptain said...

Japanese Uncle, I am an officer in the British Army and judging by your grammar and spelling you would do better to take up a rifle and stop trying to educate the already educated.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 05:57PM Report Comment
 

13. Ticktock said...

Thats a bit much Imbreda, those lads out there signed up to defend queen and country and have been utterly betrayed by Bliar, who has sent them to fight a US imperialist crusade.

They are doing their duty, unfortunately, we the British people are failing to do ours. Can anybody believe that Bliar is still in charge?

Sunday, October 29, 2006 08:29PM Report Comment
 

14. sovietuk said...

Sorry for a quick dose of realism folks but when the fighting starts over the limited oil resources in the world there will be no time for worrying over the morality of war. Modern Western economies are based on oil and fall apart instantly without it. Remember September 2000 and the havoc caused by a handful of protesters at the refineries. Sorry but if the West (including most people writing here) wants it's standard of living to continue it will have to get that oil by hook or by crook. This requires people to go and do the dirty work (Your dirty work). Soldiers lay themselves on the line for the rest of us. I support them 100%.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 09:30PM Report Comment
 

15. talking rot said...

Well said sovietuk.

Years ago I went to the Aldershot Tattoo. A sign blatantly said "If you can read this sign, thank a teacher. If you can read this sign in English, thank a soldier." It is good some one is prepared to risk their life so I can live mine in comfort.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 09:59PM Report Comment
 

16. inbreda said...

Alternatively it could have said, "If you can read this sign in German, thank a German soldier"

It's all the same really.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:03PM Report Comment
 

17. talking rot said...

inbreda

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Aldershot is in Hampshire, England. I'm afraid your satirism is lost on me.

Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:17PM Report Comment
 

18. indiablue19 said...

There are many ideas, new patents, and alternatives out there that would provide other types of energy and forms of propulsion. It is in the direct interests of the autocrats that we never use them and simply continue attacking and undermining each other for the oil interests that automatically feed their already extant empires. I can not believe either that it is necessary for oil companies to post more and more extreme profits [in the billions] while we debate whether someone giving his or her life for such interests, or any national interest should be spared council tax. Why should they pay any tax when the super-rich of the UK long ago figured out ways to avoid their tax liabilities entirely?

Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:52PM Report Comment
 

19. japanese uncle said...

Dear: A well-educated and hopefully well-informed amry officer, esq

Would you be good enough to explain what really happened in Basra on 24/Sept/05, to this poorly educated man? If UK is really a democracy, there must be voice to clarify this irrecovable blunder of the unprecedented scale. Principle of democracy must certainly overweigh the cheap national pride. If people tolerate this sort of crime by the authority, the next target may well be you.

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These are the two soldiers caught firing on the police while dressed as Arabs, then arrested in a car full of explosives. In other words, these two British soldiers were actually carrying out the acts routinely blamed on the insurgents. The British broke them out of prison using armored vehicles. Now the Basra government, the legal government the occupying armies installed by force, has issued warrants for these men. Since these men were operating out of uniform, any legal protections that would be accorded them as members of the occupying force are null and void. The Geneva convention makes clear that soldiers operating in civilian clothes are spies and should be treated as such. The Iraqis were within their legal rights to have executed them on the on the spot.

So what will the UK officials do? If they hand the men over, there will be little doubt that the Iraqi people will extract from them the true scale of the false-flag operation. If the two men are NOT handed over, then the illusion that the occupiers are building a government based on law to Iraq under the control of the Iraqi civil authority is shattered.

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Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:31PM Report Comment
 

20. inbreda said...

Talking rot - my point is that you feel proud of the soldiers that have prevented, for example, the germans in WW2 from taking over England and changing the language. But the only reason you are thankful that they have prevented the language from changing is because you speak English. Had the germans won WW2, then you would be born and raised speaking german and, no doubt, thankful to the german army for removing the requirement that you also then learn to speak English. Like I say - it's all the same. Jingoistic nonsense.


SovietUK - Do you think that the troops should be made aware of (what you claim is) the reason for their deployment? Do you not think that those that genuinely signed up to defend their country might have thought twice if they knew what their lives were to be sacrificed for?

Ticktock - they should be under no illusion as to whether they are fighting for queen and country. I will however concede JUs point that there are economic conscripts as a result of the manipulation of the wealthy. For everyone else however, I applaud any that desert and refuse to fight in such a morally filthy war.

Airdefencecaptain - I was not insulting bloggers on this site. If you are offended it is probably because you deserve to be. "I can at least say that I have done something brave, interesting and worthwhile with my life" Why? I thought you said you spent 22 years in the army? Learning to kill and be killed? Yeah - admirable. Do you drown puppies for a hobby?




Monday, October 30, 2006 10:01AM Report Comment
 

21. geed said...

Inbreda; and if Talking Rot's family was of Jewish decent??? I dont believe in War but this is a stupid argument.

Tuesday, October 31, 2006 05:41AM Report Comment
 

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