Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006

Maggie's Kids or Nu Labour Kid's

BBC: Harsh future for 'Maggie's kids'

This report refers to the tough life ahead for those born between 1980 and 1995 as Maggie's kids but surely the hardship highlighted by this think-tank is the result of Nu Labour and in particular Gordon Browns so called economic miracle as opposed to Maggie's offspring.

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1. tyrellcorporation said...

Mmmm, how has this been spun into Margaret Thatchers fault. The one person that saved the UK from ultimate collapse under Union rule is now being blamed for Crash Gordon's policies too... unbelievable...

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:25AM Report Comment

2. Mikexx said...

I didn't take the article was intended to knock Margaret Thatcher. It's the policies in the last 10 years which have led to a real lack of housing. Maggie wouldn't have been frightened to prevent the mass immigration we've seen (pushing up house prices) and we'd be getting better value for money for our public services.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:38AM Report Comment

3. kpjcomp said...

I think the reference to Maggie's kids just goes to prove that the BBC are the goverments propaganda machine, paid by Tax payers of course.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:13AM Report Comment

4. sovietuk said...

As the forces of sanity and realism gradually stack up against the tinpot pillars of the Blair regime we now see the lengths that the stooges within the Beeb will go to in their desperate attempts to please their corrupt paymasters.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:49AM Report Comment

5. Ticktock said...

IMF generation would be more accurate. It matters not which 'colour' the party in 'power' is. Why pretend otherwise?

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:00PM Report Comment

6. Sam said...

well, we could just blame the pair of them. Blairism was after all the 'natural successor' to Thatcherism.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:25PM Report Comment

7. monty said...

I don't read anything into the use of the term "Maggie's children" other than it's a lot less clumsy than generation-x or gen-y and refers to an easily identifiable period. I've always thought baby-boomers to be a little broad. Did the baby boom end in 1964, 1966 or 1969?

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 01:07PM Report Comment

8. bidin'matime said...

I absolutely agree with the view that this is a slur on Margaret Thatcher - these kids were just unlucky enough to reach maturity during Teflon Tony's watch. I'm sure that if all was sweetness and light for them, the report would have been called 'Tony's teenagers' or something similar. It really is depressing how the spin machine works - and even more depressing how the BBC laps it all up.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 01:30PM Report Comment

9. Boarder said...

I haven't paid my TV-License in 3 years now. I treat the BBC like I would any other producer. If I don't want their product I refuse to pay for it.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 01:48PM Report Comment

10. monty said...

So, what you are suggesting is that a centre-right think tank, headed up by two sitting Tory MPs is going to publish a report produced - in part - by a third sitting Tory MP whose sole purpose is to slander the memory of Maggie's economic reforms and thus divert attention away from the failed policies of Tony's Nu Labour. Wow, that NL spin machine has loads more influence than I gave it credit for.

May I suggest that what you are suggesting is bunkum?

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 02:30PM Report Comment

11. tyrellcorporation said...

You can suggest what you like... My comment was that by inference the woes of today's teens and 20 somethings are attributable to Margaret Thatcher. That seems wholly unfair, whether it's published by a centre right think-tank or Tony's Stasi.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 04:06PM Report Comment

12. miniftse said...

Maggie's Children is just a reference to the age group of the generation. Is she responsible? Of course she is. She built a society around the principle of 'greed is good', 'im ok jack, sod the rest', 'profit at all cost' it's that attitude that has fuelled the house price fire. I for one look forward to dancing on her grave.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 04:23PM Report Comment

13. monty said...

Then I suggest that you read the report. http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/libimages/176.pdf
Rather than make any such inferences it focuses on what this age group, due to retire in 2050, have to expect thanks to Gordie's pension fund raid, the switch to defined contribution pension schemes, declining birth rates and low inflation. Pretty much the same stuff as has been discussed on this forum in the past.

The 10 authors include 3 Tory MPs and an ex-editor of the Spectator and Daily Telegraph. I'm quite sure there'll be hoots and chortles at Policy Exchange HQ when they find they've been accused of being part of the NL spin machine. :-)

Notwithstanding my comments above, the BBC may well have worded its own article is such a way that some might infer more from the title than the content.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 04:41PM Report Comment

14. Ejc75 said...

hmmmm.......... who sold off loads of council housing stock at below market prices in the 80's ??????? I bet that has rather a lot to do with the house price situation we find ourselves in. No more council houses driving people into the private sector, upping the demand and prices. Really, I like this government about as much as the next person but i think some peoples partisanship on this site is an absolute joke. Didn't Thatcher actually quite like Blair and his policies anyway.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 04:52PM Report Comment

15. inbreda said...

Are we forgetting the fact that it was in fact Maggie that broke the link between pensions and inflation, and caused the problems which Gordie has been ineffectually firefighting.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 05:44PM Report Comment

16. bidin'matime said...

Monty - fair point - I've not read the report, but take your word for it - it seems on this occasion it is all down to the spin applied by the Beeb that we have gained the impression we did - and so will everyone else reading the article. BBC - Bliar's Broadcasting Corporation...

Ejc - since when did selling off houses below market price push prices upwards...?

Inbreda - the problem is not the link between pensions and inflation, it's the absence of sufficient funds to pay the pensions!

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 07:34PM Report Comment

17. Tormy said...

As has been said before at some point Maggie gave us right to buy, Tony gave us buy to let...

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 08:22PM Report Comment

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19. sirgoogle said...


I can't see any difference. I do blame Maggie however for the "death of society/i'm alright jack attitude" and the property boom/bust of the late80s/early 90s. However the fact that Labour came to power citing the needtostop the property boom/bust cycles, did nothing and then rode for 2 extra terms on one deliberately really takes the biscuit.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 09:46PM Report Comment

20. sirgoogle said...

"The trend towards a greater number of households being made up of single people is set to continue as families continue to breakdown"

Thats actually the natural conclusion of Maggie's policies that Major and Blair have been dutifuly pursuing. With society gone, the next target was the family - and this has been under attack ever since 2 wages were considered for a mortgage in the mid 80s. This of course meant that house prices rose to accomodate the additional credit available, Ergo - put off kids or never have any, have less reason to stay together, get into financial difficulties more easily if you do have some kids, financial stress=divorce=more smaller family units. Result everybody very pissed off with each other and really lonely. What a good policy that was.

After the death of the family, the death of the individual as suicides go up.

I think someone must have a better plan than this??

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:06PM Report Comment

21. bidin'matime said...

Maggie wasnt responsible for the "death of society". She merely pointed out that "society" does not exist as a separate entity, but is made up of individuals. If everyone leaves it to "society" to keep them in old age, look after their healthcare, etc., then eventually we become a nation of cabbages, like the Russians under Lenin.

Left leaning governments love the populus to be dependent on the state, because it gives them power. Maggie taught people to stand on their own two feet - inevitably, some people will translate that as "I'm alright jack", when they hear people who are alright going on about it. But Maggie sowed the seeds for the prosperity of the 90's, prosperity that Tony and Gordon have squandered, leaving us in the position of rising debt levels at a time of economic boom - heaven help us when recession arrives - then they'll hand back to the Tories and round we'll go again.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:12PM Report Comment

22. indiablue19 said...


Really interesting perspective. And probably a lot more telling about people's state of mind even than the money equation. Since coming here five years ago I've been trying to understand why the population of the UK is more unhappy than anybody I've ever come across. You sense it from the minute you get off the airplane. After awhile you realize it's nearly all-pervasive. A kind of despair I've never encountered before. Obviously lack of expenditure has nothing to do with it when you think of the debt tables. Yet there are huge equations of personal debt and reduced spending power in the US and I've never felt that it mattered much, unless particular situations were especially dire.

But a light bulb went on when I read your comment. Lack of personal fulfillment? No children, splintered families? Nobody to share any of it with no matter what you achieve or how much you overspend? Maybe this is beginning to make sense.

Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:09PM Report Comment

23. Nohpc said...

I think Maggie was one of the best PMs Britain ever had. Labour governement just want to give jobless chavs free handouts forever. In america you get 5 years of benefits then that's it . no excuses. I hope when the Tories get back into power they revert to their old ways to a certain extent.

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 09:21AM Report Comment

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