Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006

Labour? Enron?

Telegraph: By the time Blair goes, he'll have left an Enron-style disaster

Interest rates are going up, unemployment is going up, so too are taxes and domestic fuel bills. Little wonder that Britain's feel-good factor is down in the basement.

Nationwide's consumer confidence index fell to its lowest-ever level in August, a drop of 17pc from where it was only 12 months ago. A quick recovery looks unlikely.

The building society's survey of 1,000 customers reveals that one third of us believe that the economy will deteriorate even further over the next six months.

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1. Surfgatinho said...

This pretty much sums up what a lot of us have been saying for a while. Now, how can they re-package it for the masses?!

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 11:28AM Report Comment
 

2. Ticktock said...

An effective (and quite funny) political rant at the filthy Nu labour corporation.

Such is my hatred of 'our' Government, that I'm even nodding in agreement at Torygraph propaganda!

Some great quips here like -

'To paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, your economic speeches now have the same effect as you wetting your pants. They may seem hot to you, but they don't to anyone else.



Wednesday, September 6, 2006 11:52AM Report Comment
 

3. tyrellcorporation said...

What we've all been ranting about for months (and years in my case!). Brilliant...shame this sentiment gets knowhere near the TV media...

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 12:10PM Report Comment
 

4. Ejc75 said...

This article began reasonably enough but ends up being the most riduclous Tory rant i've seen in ages.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 12:10PM Report Comment
 

5. Bfskinner said...

Just saw this reported on channel four news at noon. Also adding that 34% expect houseprices to fall!

BFS

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 12:31PM Report Comment
 

6. Bfskinner said...

sorry i think it wsa 34% expecting the economy to worsen not house prices. though the expectations for houseprice growth have been weakend according to the nationwide and it still managed to make it on to the TV as well

BFS

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 12:45PM Report Comment
 

7. uncle tom said...

That's some vitriol for the Telegraph - even the Mail would regard it as a bit hot.

- but not inaccurate.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 12:58PM Report Comment
 

8. Boarder said...

It's a great article. Spot on. This government would steer The Titanic by holding a magnet near to the compass until the desired "direction" is reached.

No one belives the lies, damned lies and statistics that this government excretes.

1984 was a book about the Blair regime and the BBC.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 01:14PM Report Comment
 

9. Ejc75 said...

It starts off relatively sensible but descends into a ludicrous Tory tirade about everything this particluar journalists dislikes about Labour

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 01:23PM Report Comment
 

10. waitingfor hpc said...

all true.... but too late.
now the lemmings in the country realise what has been done it is irreversable. Let those that voted labour in stay here, anyone with the chance get the hell out.
My mate works for pickfords they are full with orders to move people out the UK... people with the money to do so. All the factories we had have gone or going.....
New LAbour has done the UK in. You can never reverse what has been done unless we get a far right party in to throw out the migrants.
I have money and I am going too. Fed up with spin, lies, immigrants, silly IR's which have ruined the UK. I am a capitalist and not a socialist - i leave those that wanted a socialist revolution to pick up the pieces.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 02:06PM Report Comment
 

11. Sam. said...

Waitingfor hpc.

OK, the URL for this site, is http://www.housepricecrash .co.uk, yes we will can all add references about the economy and politic to discuss how it effects housing, but to talk about things like immigration being the cause/solution to the problems in the economy, or the reason were heading for a correction in real house prices is not only very narrow-minded but leads me to question intelligence you are basing you opinion on.

If you really think that a right wing party will sort this out by throwing out the immigrants, you are sadly very mistaken.

Id be one of the many who are thrown out, Ill take my money, more importantly Id take my talent and education. So will all the doctors, nurses and business men and people who come here and ended up doing the jobs the so many British are too poorly educated to do (and before you start about the British education system I was five when we came to this country, and we lived in poorer part of London). Then theyll throw out all the people who do the jobs that so many people think they are above doing.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 02:55PM Report Comment
 

12. inbreda said...

"unless we get a far right party in to throw out the migrants"

Don't be an idiot.

"...pickfords they are full with orders to move people out the UK"

Whose homes do you think those fleeing brits are buying? By letting the immigrants in we are ruining THEM. It is not the immigrants that have ruined the country, it is Blair.

"i leave those that wanted a socialist revolution to pick up the pieces."

Are you trying to imply that Blair is a socialist?

Wake up and smell the roses.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 03:05PM Report Comment
 

13. Freewheeling Franklin said...

Well I'm sorry - for the most part migrants do the jobs that locals don't want to do and do them at rates that the locals can afford. You can carp about whether there's been enough work to instill 'British values' in immigrants - but you'd also have to admit that many migrants have a cynical view of 'British values' given the level of racism that many had to endure during the 70s and 80s.
Without defending Mr Brown just remember there is no such thing as a free lunch. We can't all be drawing or pensions for 20 years rather than 10 and it not have an impact - and there seems to be no great clamour for a higher retirement age. Immigration is simply one side effect of an ageing population and higher levels of education - no one wants to do the rotten jobs. And who can blame them - you might get some sort of social standing for being a top notch mechanic or plumber in Germany - not in Britain. We grab any excuse to look down on the next guy.
So with all due respect we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 03:06PM Report Comment
 

14. the bald man said...

Remember the other culprit Gordan Brown may inherit the mess!

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 03:07PM Report Comment
 

15. Groundcontrol said...

waiting for hpc - "You can never reverse what has been done unless we get a far right party in to throw out the migrants."

I've been reading the views with interest on this website now for two or three months, as a priced out potential FTB, without making a comment. On the whole I have found it to be an entertaining website with the comments posted more often that not being intelligent and economically sound. However I find your comment both ignorant and hypocritical.

This country has traditionally used immigrant labour to fulfil a specific labour shortage, most notably after WW" but currently because the British seem highly reluctant to work in cafes and sandwich shops for minimum wage. It's a fact that there are crap jobs in Britain which seemingly you or I or most British people out there refuse to do. Also many immigrants are highly skilled, doctors, dentists and the like am I to assume that were you to become ill then your prinicpals would force you to refuse your free NHS treatment if it was a Polish doctor waiting to treat you?

As for your threat/promise to leave the country then please feel free to go at the earliest opportunity, the country will be much improved for your abscence. How ironic that you seeingly despise immigrants but are happy to emigrate elsewhere!

Finally thanks to the majority of commentators on this website for their informed views, i'll no doubt contine to follow them until such point as these pro-right wing comments become the norm rather than the exception.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 03:39PM Report Comment
 

16. Northernlad said...

what a mess! It makes me sick that Blair can walk away...he should be made to stay to clean up the after party mess.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 04:00PM Report Comment
 

17. Thesqueeze said...

Sorry imbreda, but one the biggest renters of BTL's are immigrant workers. We have the highest unemployment for 8 years and we are still allowing them in to fill a non existant skills gap. British Business leaders are exploiting the Polish and paying them bottom dollar. Who is paying unemployment benefit for the out of work Brits? You. There presence is affecting Services, NHS, education, but still we allow them in...

If we sent the 600,000 workers who arrived since 2004 home, it would cause a crash. Immediately.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 04:16PM Report Comment
 

18. P. O. O. R said...

I feel that there is some similarity at the moment between when John Major inherited the mess from Maggie - Mr Brown (or another) who is going to inherit the mess from Blair - Back in 1991 / 1992, we were in a recession with house prices dropping - Is Blair going to wait until he finds the UK in the same situation, before he steps aside or is forced out as I think is likely to happen. This country still has a lot to offer, but far too many people / companies are greedy when it comes to making profits, and hence everything now costs so much. I guess it all comes down to having to be able to pay good divedends to shareholders. For a lot of companies to be able to make it through the coming storm they are going to have to restructure, which in turn is going to mean job losses. I remember being made redundant in 1992, and the length of time it took me to get back on my feet.

The problem is I do not know if the other parties can do anything to reverse the trend. It is going to be interesting to see what happens on interest rates tomorrow, my belief is it is all too little too late, and as waitingfor HPC said - get out while you can - If I was a single guy I would most certainly do that, however British education is still recognised as being one of the best in the world - and today my son was starting school. It is for the British Education that so many foreigners come to this country.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 05:14PM Report Comment
 

19. Walt said...

If Tony Bliar is a socialist, I wonder what a far right politician would look like?? Regulating the free-for-all lending by financial institutions and not selling off council houses might be more socialistic ideal than a free market one...

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 05:25PM Report Comment
 

20. Caledonian-emigre said...

The chickens are coming home to roost !

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 05:29PM Report Comment
 

21. Cstanhope707 said...

Actually Blair is very much a "Socialist" as is "David Cameron" do not get confused just because he supported the war in Iraq. Lyndon Johnson (LBJ) was very much into Government running everything and the nanny state but he strongly supported American involvement in Vietnam.

Look carefully and you will see both Blair and Cameron support bigger levels of public spending, and Government interferance in our lives the key driver of Socialist principles. They also strongly support the EU the new USSR.



Wednesday, September 6, 2006 06:01PM Report Comment
 

22. Ticktock said...

Waiting,

Do you even know what capitalism is?

Blair is an ultra capitalist (or Neo-liberal) Nobody could possibly refute this . The 'reform agenda' ,as implimented by Nu Labour IS capitalism, and a pretty sharp version of it too.

So now you know what life under your socio-economic ideology of choice is like, you not only want to run away, but actualy want to blame the arch opponants of Neo-liberalism (ie. socialists) for the failures of Neo-liberalism itself?

Murdoch has done you up like a kipper mate.

Read more books.


Wednesday, September 6, 2006 06:47PM Report Comment
 

23. Ticktock said...

Waiting,

Do you even know what capitalism is?

Blair is an ultra capitalist (or Neo-liberal) Nobody could possibly refute this . The 'reform agenda' ,as implimented by Nu Labour IS capitalism, and a pretty sharp version of it too.

So now you know what life under your socio-economic ideology of choice is like, you not only want to run away, but actualy want to blame the arch opponants of Neo-liberalism (ie. socialists) for the failures of Neo-liberalism itself?

Murdoch has done you up like a kipper mate.

Read more books.


Wednesday, September 6, 2006 06:47PM Report Comment
 

24. denzil said...

>>Remember the other culprit Gordan Brown may inherit the mess!

Actually I'm not fan of Blair but I would say that the mess we are heading for is more a direct result of Brown's policies and supposed economic miracle that is built on little more than the spending power of the consumer. I get the feeling that labour back-benchers may be starting to realise the Brown is not the panacea to their woes. I think the boy Reid is feathering his nest nicely for the top job.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 07:31PM Report Comment
 

25. Mrmickey said...

How come vitually every other job you see advertised in the paper is state funded in some way. Pretty soon we'll all be social workers.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 09:06PM Report Comment
 

26. the bald man said...

Denzil.. Fully agree when the consumer can not spend any more we are all in trouble as we will have to pay for the excesses by a reduced living standards

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 09:34PM Report Comment
 

27. japanese uncle said...

Boarder says,

1984 was a book about the Blair regime and the BBC
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It is an uncanny conincidence that Goerge Orwell's real name was Erich Blair!!

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 09:43PM Report Comment
 

28. Retired Banker said...

J.U.-

Yes Eric Arthur Blair, an old Etonian like David Cameron.

We also have Met. Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair ( P.C. now stands for politically correct ).

Help, they are taking over!

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 10:51PM Report Comment
 

29. harold said...

Once again the immigrant issue raises its head and turns seemingly sane and reasonable individuals into xenophobic loonies. However, the truth is that apart from a few Celts in Cornwall and Wales we are all either immigrants or their decedents - and the country is stronger for it. What people perceive as stable, homogeneous British culture has been extremely diverse and pluralistic since the waning of feudalism in the 1600s. Immigrants (who are willing to work) are a recourse that will be desperately needed when the UK is forced to return to a manufacturing base. Okay, so some immigrant communities do have social and integration problems, but these communities are, in my experience, certainly no worse than the ex-pat alcoholic misfits increasingly crowding the coasts of Spain (or is that a bit harsh?).

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 11:12PM Report Comment
 

30. Gordonbrown said...

I right you are son. I think you need a bit of a lie down.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 11:22PM Report Comment
 

31. Ticktock said...

REF- How come vitually every other job you see advertised in the paper is state funded in some way. Pretty soon we'll all be social workers.

Because 'capitalists' have been given the freedom to opt out of re-investing their/our capital back into the economy after they had been allowed to hoover it all out. This has happened in every Country that has adopted neo-liberal economic dogma in order to combat the effects of Globalisation, which is also the product of the same economic dogma.

The destabilising effects of ultra 'free' trade, particularly near the end of an 'imperial cycle' makes investment very risky indeed.
Lack of productive investment in an economy ( properteee is not productive investment) means a lack of employment.

A quick study of 20th Centuary European history, may provide clues as to why it is that a State may choose to create and finance employment if at all possible, rather than allow social and economic turmoil to rage at the end of an imperial cycle (particularly while imigration is such a hot contemporary issue, and certain 'special' races seem to have come to the fore once again on the global scene)

The anti-terror laws are not just for Bin Ladens mob. It is us that the State fears in such times.

I do accept many criticisms of 'inefficient' socialist economy, but Neo-liberalism is an entirely capitalist creation. Only ignorance, or malice, could suggest otherwise.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 11:23PM Report Comment
 

32. inbreda said...

TheSqueeze - did I say that removing 600,000 wouldn't cause an HPC????!!!!!

Read what I wrote - don't make it up yourself.

Wednesday, September 6, 2006 11:35PM Report Comment
 

33. Micthemike said...

the poor city trader p... off because he could not get his 5 million dollar kick back for doing an excruciatingly complex trade, city traders 19 billion in bonuses is this not the unexceptable face of capatalism, tax havens this so called socialist government continues to sanction- as for hpc GB used housing as an economic tool and as i have just pointed has done nothing to limit the excesses, why would any wont him as a leader

Thursday, September 7, 2006 02:10AM Report Comment
 

34. waitingfor hpc said...

well.. that got you all talking.
In my defence I am well read and educated, a degree and a masters in history. But unlike a lot of people here I see through new labour. and this morning I drove out of my village in Kent and saw 5 women in full muslim clothes - Yes that to me has gone too far. I go shopping and people everywhere do not speak English. I go to my house in Jersey and the post office has adverts in polish, portugese, african.....
I go to the local paper and job adverts are in foreign langauges...
then you read about how many people are now claiming benefits.... , I hear people from my factory complain that all the flats are done up and handed to asylm seekers and there own families can not get a house. I see my taxes have gone up by vast sums - yet hospitals are the worst in years. I know doctors who tell me they have taken out private cover as they are worried by what is going on.
I run a business employing over 100 people and see UK companies getting no support, red tape going up all the time and the costs in my business soaring due to inflation that is being manipulated for housing. New headline grabbing idea after another...after another and all add to one thing the destruction of the competitive edge to the UK.
I could go on .. but see no reason.. I am no Nazi, or any other label that people try and use, just a normal white english forgotten male... and I have news for you I have not met one person that disagrees with me. Every office, every factory I visit people all feel the same.........
And yes now back to HPC (which again I might add this article said very little about)

Thursday, September 7, 2006 09:20AM Report Comment
 

35. Thesqueeze said...

Sam. The idea that immigrants are doing the jobs that brits are too lazy or uneducated to do is, well a bit offensive. They are doing the jobs that we are prepared to do, but for minimum wage. The only people who benefit are the businesses, and therefore the government. This article has a pie chart of top immigrant jobs, it contains no 'skilled' workers as you suggest..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5273356.stm

Imbreda, sorry my post upset you, but this is a house price website, so it is entirely relevant to highlight the effect immigrants are having on HPI. You didn't say much if we're being honest, but you had responded with 'Don't be an idiot' to a previous poster who had mentioned kicking out immigrants, so my comment was completely in context. All these immigrants are helping to fuel the Blair/Brown economical miracle. I call it exploitation.

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38. Bubbles. . . . said...

HOORAY FOR INTREST RATE RISE!!!!SOON if not today...This will do the trick to get things into a more sensible economy...The data on inflation is extremely bad..
Anyway to the comments about jobs being state funded..If thats the case if you are in a job that is this way who u going to vote for???? erm lose your job or vote Labour..There are more Civil Servants than ever and they have the mass vote I really dont think that tories or any other party will ever come in...As the Government are now employing 60 per cent or more of the population..and squeeze the other 40% or less for taxes to pay for it all..Inflation link pensions for all these poeple cost the tax payer billions alone.....

Thursday, September 7, 2006 10:14AM Report Comment
 

39. Bubbles. . said...

HOORAY FOR INTREST RATE RISE!!!!SOON if not today...This will do the trick to get things into a more sensible economy...The data on inflation is extremely bad..
Anyway to the comments about jobs being state funded..If thats the case if you are in a job that is this way who u going to vote for???? erm lose your job or vote Labour..There are more Civil Servants than ever and they have the mass vote I really dont think that tories or any other party will ever come in...As the Government are now employing 60 per cent or more of the population..and squeeze the other 40% or less for taxes to pay for it all..Inflation link pensions for all these poeple cost the tax payer billions alone.....

Thursday, September 7, 2006 10:14AM Report Comment
 

40. Bfskinner said...

waiting for the hpc

"But unlike a lot of people here I see through new labour"

I think most people here do, most stories that generate posts often have several criticisms of Blair and Brown

"I drove out of my village in Kent and saw 5 women in full muslim clothes Yes that to me has gone too far"

Yes I agree! I propose that everyone be made to dress like Morris Dancers or Pearly Kings and Queens or face immediate deportation

"I go to my house in Jersey and the post office has adverts in polish, portuguese, african.....
I go to the local paper and job adverts are in foreign langauges..."

Oh my god! the horror, the horror! Imagine, people speak other languages. Heres a thought, do you think there might be shops etc in countries with large U.K ex-pat communities that have ads in English. Perhaps bars, shops, clubs in Ibiza, Cyprus, Costa del sol etc should no longer be allowed to use any English as well.

"I know doctors who tell me they have taken out private cover as they are worried by what is going on."

What on earth does that mean? Private cover as in insurance or extra private work. The state of the NHS is due to red tape and a management heavy structure preventing money getting to clinical services. Having migrant labour coming in and paying taxes is actually beneficial if not crucial to the NHS. That is with out the enormous benefit from doctors and nurses who have trained overseas.

I hear people from my factory complain that all the flats are done up and handed to asylum seekers and there own families can not get a house"

I hear this too, but frankly flats that are done up are usually those that lie empty and derelict (thus they need 'doing up'). Its funny how no one wants it until some one else (and god forbid a foreigner or worse a Muslim gets it). I have heard people say this, but when I have asked everyone of them heard it from some one who heard it from some one else etc. These sorts of stories are straight out of the old BNP/NF manifestos that masquerade as actual news papers. Also I assume your factory workers are not homeless. Perhaps they should just be less picky if this is an issue. Or perhaps you could pay them a decent wage so they could buy. With a house in Jersy you cant be that hard up


"In my defence I am well read and educated, a degree and a masters in history"

Hardly a defence, George W Bush was educated at top Ivy League university, Yale.

Maybe you should leave. Where will you go out of interest?
Jersey?

If so you must be minted to get residency and therefore shoud definitely be paying your workers more money!

I ask only because I think it is some what ironic and hypocritical that you would consider becoming an immigrant in someone elses country to get away from immigrants coming to yours.

BFS

Thursday, September 7, 2006 11:39AM Report Comment
 

41. Tangara said...

P.O.O.R said "however British education is still recognised as being one of the best in the world - and today my son was starting school. It is for the British Education that so many foreigners come to this country. "

Come back on earth !!! I wouldn't live in England, British education is average AND extremely expensive.
If they look for good and cheap education they'd go to France or Swizerland or Belgium or Germany or Sweden or Danemark or... certainly not England, were good education exist, but for the wealthy !!!

Tangara

Thursday, September 7, 2006 11:41AM Report Comment
 

42. The Capitalist said...

You are spot on Waiting - please stand for election ASAP.

"you have not converted a man because you have silenced him"

Thursday, September 7, 2006 01:14PM Report Comment
 

43. inbreda said...

I'm sorry waitingforhpc - did you say your house in Jersey? Your village in Kent? All of a sudden I dislike you intensely. I am a Guernseyman, and it's because of rich tax dodging f****rs like you that the average house price in Guernsey is 320,000, and the average local is living in relative poverty. You've got nothing to complain about, and quite honestly I'd rather be surrounded by non-english speaking people dressed in than to spend two minutes in your presence. You are the problem - if the people of Jersey are anything like the people of Guernsey, they prefer the polish and the portugese to rich greedy selfish arrogant pricks like you. Be aware that Guernsey people are sick of being financially forced out of their homes and are starting to turn on people like you. You will get what's coming to you, you arrogant bloody immigrant. Go back to where you came from.

Thursday, September 7, 2006 01:52PM Report Comment
 

44. Thesqueeze said...

channel islanders - bunch of imbredas ! (oh come on if i didn't somebody else would)...

let's chill people.

Thursday, September 7, 2006 02:29PM Report Comment
 

45. indiablue19 said...

I would strongly suggest that we are all immigrants from somewhere. The Celts started out in India, for instance, and became the cultural and creative backbone of Wales, Brittany, Cornwall, Ireland and Scotland. Where would the British Islands have been without them? Then of course there were the Normans, Saxons, the Romans -- how far back do we want to go? The difference was that, with all the pushing and shoving, there was land to expand to and wilderness to be settled, and everyone made a contribution that has mattered over the course of history.

Today the issue of immigration for most countries would seem to be whether incoming people contribute at least as much as they absorb, whether they make an effort to join in the prevalent culture, including learning the language as quickly as possible. [An international language is going to be a very good idea in the long run. It looks like that will be English.] Beyond that, the largest issue seems to be whether immigrants are truly displacing others who will now starve in their stead right in their own homeland. The UK is a small place with small resources and the government needs to look at what it is doing taking on so many impoverished people without homes when it already has impoverished people without homes.

Thursday, September 7, 2006 02:36PM Report Comment
 

46. miniftse said...

Waitingfor the HPC, do you realise how daft you sound? For crying out loud, you moan about women wearing clothes?

I went into town this morning and saw 10 women wearing clothes, arrgh, its gone too far! They should all be naked, that will bring house prices down.

Thursday, September 7, 2006 03:02PM Report Comment
 

47. George Monsoon said...

Surely the true issue is a problem of overcrowding. The more people that enter the country - the greater the problem.

Too many people, not enough jobs!

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Thursday, September 7, 2006 03:10PM Report Comment
 

48. inbreda said...

I agree with you IndiaBlue19. the trouble with retards like WaitingforHPC is that they are happy to blame OTHER migrants without having the bit of intelligence it takes to realise that they themselves are immigrants.

The situation in the channel islands is, respectfully, very different to the UK. Many migrants are heading to the UK as their countries have joined the EU. It is therefore not a case of Brit Vs Pole, so much as it is a case of EU person Vs EU person. After all, there is nothing stopping Brits buying property from where the 'immigrants' are emigrating from. The channel islands however, are not in the EU. Immigration is controlled. there is no fair reciprocal arrangement for migration. Being tax havens for people wishing to avoid paying their social dues, there is encouragement for generally wealthy people to move here. We still haev the same problems with wage suppression due to cheap imported labour - the difference is that it is done because generally wealthy people aren't interested in paying a wage that would allow a local to be able to live here - particularly when there is a cheaper alternative. It is similar to wealthier Londoners buying holiday homes in Cornwall and pricing locals out of the market, but A LOT worse, and a LOT more engineered.

People like Waitingfor are complicit in this disgusting social engineering, and I cannot believe he has the bare faced cheek to visit this site and moan about immigrants.

Thursday, September 7, 2006 03:42PM Report Comment
 

49. Common Sense said...

What on earth are you all talking about? The economy is in excellent shape? What short memories you all have, or are too young to remember? I remember recessions proper ones! Blair has done a decent job. Just because, for whatever reason you are angst about not owning a home, etc, why convert this into a rank about one politician? Pathetic.

Thursday, September 7, 2006 03:50PM Report Comment
 

50. Ticktock said...

REF- The economy is in excellent shape?

Are you mad, or middle class?

Friday, September 8, 2006 05:10PM Report Comment
 

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