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People use supermarkets because they are good value, convenient and offer a wide choice of products.

There's no widespread conspiracy to entrap us in a cycle of dependency, it's just happened like that. The public utilities are cash cows, I agree, though - gas and water supply should be in the public sector. Allowing our utilities to end up in foreign hands is very bad, particularly for national psyche. The French government is effectively taking control of our nuclear power stations, the US government taking over our 'independent nuclear deterrent'. We have no British motor industry, only foreign companies with car factories here. I see no end to this trend.

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People use supermarkets because they are good value, convenient and offer a wide choice of products.

There's no widespread conspiracy to entrap us in a cycle of dependency, it's just happened like that. The public utilities are cash cows, I agree, though - gas and water supply should be in the public sector. Allowing our utilities to end up in foreign hands is very bad, particularly for national psyche. The French government is effectively taking control of our nuclear power stations, the US government taking over our 'independent nuclear deterrent'. We have no British motor industry, only foreign companies with car factories here. I see no end to this trend.

Convenient, yes

Good value? Absolutely not. But we don't know what the price of food should be because there is no free market in our food supply. It's a rigged market just like everything else.

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Look at the history of the Labour party and explain the last succesful economic model employed by the Labour party (not including the shambolic management of the current one nicked of a flawed Tory government as they did not have the capacity to create their own model)?

Your comment below discredits you.

As I see, we are actually witnessing the fizzling out of the last embers of Thatcherism. The Tories were pretty good at boom-and-bust. If you're a boom-and-bust enthusiast it might make sense to vote Tory.
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This is compounded by idealism is politics. Time after time we see governments making policies based on ideology rather than doing what is best for the people. The government is not there to implement social models, not Marxist, socialist or anything else. It is there to do whatever is in the interest of the British people. The politician may go into politics with the idea of implementing some agenda. This is itself should disqualify them. They should have no agenda, their job is to do the will of the people.

Absolutely right!

... and it's a socialist trait to get off on the precious ideology.

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The relationship between government and people has been changed. The democratic ideal requires independent relatively self sufficient people selecting a government to implement their wishes. Thus the people are the master and the government is their servant. This is not the case in the UK. The government see's itself as the master and the people as its slaves. They do not seek out the wishes of the public and the public has no means of imposing their wishes on the government. Quite the contrary, the government tells the people what they should do and expects total compliance. This inverse relationship is not a democracy but an oligarchy. The only thing the people can do is vote once every 5 years to replace one lot with another who have exactly the same ideas. The media is a tame beast that supports this state of affairs since it too is corporatist in nature. We see this in the idea of 'UK plc'. This model see's the UK as giant corporation where each person is ruled and slotted into some role. This is wrong, the government is not there to tell the people what to do, or what to think. The government is there to do what they are told by the people.

This is compounded by idealism is politics. Time after time we see governments making policies based on ideology rather than doing what is best for the people. The government is not there to implement social models, not Marxist, socialist or anything else. It is there to do whatever is in the interest of the British people. The politician may go into politics with the idea of implementing some agenda. This is itself should disqualify them. They should have no agenda, their job is to do the will of the people.

One of the more egregious policies is that of creating dependence. They don't want people growing their own food because then they would not be dependent. You don't have heat pumps and solar cells on each house because then they would not be dependent. You encourage all food to come from a few large supermarkets, who make political contributions, all power comes from central generators. Everything must be centralized leaving the individual powerless. Many ancient societies considered self reliance a virtue. These days it is prevented to turn the person into a helpless worker doing whatever it is told. We no longer meet our neighbors and discuss what we can do, most dont even know who lives next door. Everyone is kept isolated, driving to work alone, watching TV alone or with family. There is no community at all and thus no activism. This is exactly what they want. You cannot get together with your neighbors, cut the wood and quarry the stone to build your own homes. You cannot even build without their permission.

I contend that we have become a nation of slave workers and that suits our government just fine. You can expect to be called a terrorist if you try to oppose this state of affairs.

One of the few people on here that "get it".

The purpose of government is to serve the people, not the other way around.

I have aired my opinion against the government, I'll have a black mark on my MI5 record now.

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One of the few people on here that "get it".

The purpose of government is to serve the people, not the other way around.

I have aired my opinion against the government, I'll have a black mark on my MI5 record now.

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MI5 probably have a whole subsection monitoring what is posted on this and other websites.

The statists are scared. They know that if too many people understood the fiat currency scam and the true intentions of government and the state, the game would be up.

The outcome is certain. They will try to impose a totalitarian state. It's pretty well advanced already.

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Brown has brought Britain to the brink of bankruptcy

Labour's lax attitude to public spending, to soaring debt and shady dealings has led to disaster. Now the country must have responsible capitalism and responsible government.

By David Cameron

Last Updated: 11:09PM GMT 27 Dec 2008

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Almost exactly three years ago in The Sunday Telegraph, the Conservative Party published an advertisement that signalled a new direction. It spoke of our commitment to tackling poverty and climate change, our backing for the NHS and our belief in a free enterprise economy. But we also made clear – to much criticism – that the modern Conservative Party would "not only stand up for big business, but stand up to big business when it's in the interests of Britain and the world". ....

This is all cracking stuff Laura-Jon - but can you tells us (as you seem to have a hotline to HQ) Has David found his bicycle yet?

I still have my doubts: do we really want as leader of this country a man who chains his pushbike to a post 2ft high. It's this failure to see the obvious flaws in his plans that worries me.

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One of the few people on here that "get it".

The purpose of government is to serve the people, not the other way around.

I have aired my opinion against the government, I'll have a black mark on my MI5 record now.

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Disagree. Lots of people on here clearly "get it".

Also, lots of people on here have aired their opinion against the government....like about 95% of them.

Best point in Thod's neat post is that no politician should have an agenda that they wish to impose regardless of the electorates's wishes. I remember one of the first things I loathed about the Brown tenure as PM was his mantra regarding "my vision for the future". I'm not given to swearing on forums but every time he was on the box spouting ****** about his vision for the future, I disliked the posing, posturing prat more and more. I notice he no longer uses this repellant phrase. Somebody must have had a word. Shows how thick-skinned, arrogant and conceited he must be to have introduced it into his "armoury".

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The relationship between government and people has been changed. The democratic ideal requires independent relatively self sufficient people selecting a government to implement their wishes. Thus the people are the master and the government is their servant. This is not the case in the UK. The government see's itself as the master and the people as its slaves. They do not seek out the wishes of the public and the public has no means of imposing their wishes on the government. Quite the contrary, the government tells the people what they should do and expects total compliance. This inverse relationship is not a democracy but an oligarchy. The only thing the people can do is vote once every 5 years to replace one lot with another who have exactly the same ideas. The media is a tame beast that supports this state of affairs since it too is corporatist in nature. We see this in the idea of 'UK plc'. This model see's the UK as giant corporation where each person is ruled and slotted into some role. This is wrong, the government is not there to tell the people what to do, or what to think. The government is there to do what they are told by the people.

This is compounded by idealism is politics. Time after time we see governments making policies based on ideology rather than doing what is best for the people. The government is not there to implement social models, not Marxist, socialist or anything else. It is there to do whatever is in the interest of the British people. The politician may go into politics with the idea of implementing some agenda. This is itself should disqualify them. They should have no agenda, their job is to do the will of the people.

One of the more egregious policies is that of creating dependence. They don't want people growing their own food because then they would not be dependent. You don't have heat pumps and solar cells on each house because then they would not be dependent. You encourage all food to come from a few large supermarkets, who make political contributions, all power comes from central generators. Everything must be centralized leaving the individual powerless. Many ancient societies considered self reliance a virtue. These days it is prevented to turn the person into a helpless worker doing whatever it is told. We no longer meet our neighbors and discuss what we can do, most dont even know who lives next door. Everyone is kept isolated, driving to work alone, watching TV alone or with family. There is no community at all and thus no activism. This is exactly what they want. You cannot get together with your neighbors, cut the wood and quarry the stone to build your own homes. You cannot even build without their permission.

I contend that we have become a nation of slave workers and that suits our government just fine. You can expect to be called a terrorist if you try to oppose this state of affairs.

That is one of the best posts I have seen on this website! Just imagine the damage that this post would cause to the powers that be if this was widely diseminated in the media or simply posted into every house in the land as a flyer. Such suggestions no doubt will also earn me a black mark in the MI5 'black book.' The minority of citizens in this facsist state who 'get it' are seen as very dangerous by the powers that be. Why do we have to be such 'trouble makers'? Why can't we just accept our lot and be brainwashed like all the other good sheeple who watch all the reality TV shows and talk about the latest celebrity gossip? THE TRUTH MUST NOT GET OUT!

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It's all very well for the Tory Toff To$$pot to spout away like this but does anyone actually believe he would change anything for the better?

A resounding NO is my response.

Look! For Fekk's sake. When you see that creep Osborne cavorting around with that viper Mandelson and a Rothschild on a yacht in Corfu, (probably taxpayer funded), you'd think people would put 2+2 together, No?

Agreed, they are rigth to criticise Brown and Co, but had Tory been in power we would be in exactly the same situation. Freedom for the banks to do as they please, lend as much as they want and nail the entire population down with debt was an idea that came from Right-wing think tanks back in the 70's and was subscribed to, and implemented by Maggit T and co back in the early 80's. Brown and Tony just carried on with their agenda. They dont have a different one, will be more of the same when they get back in.

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The relationship between government and people has been changed.

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Yes, it is a great post. It should be sent as a letter to every local newspaper, it should be put in the form of a YouTube video... It could become the basis of a new politics. That it has even come to that is truly tragic.

They serve us. We elect them to serve us. It is not the other way round. I see this all the time - most notable in local government, but it is clear that a government for whom nearly 4 out of 5 did not vote, has a total contempt for its people, will not listen and will press ahead with an ideological and dubiously motivated agenda.

There is very little in parliament to suggest that other parties are on our side. It is all too cosy.

Until it is changed we are stuck with the system. The best we can hope for it to turf the government out every time, so that they don't take us for granted.

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The relationship between government and people has been changed. The democratic ideal requires independent relatively self sufficient people selecting a government to implement their wishes. Thus the people are the master and the government is their servant. This is not the case in the UK. The government see's itself as the master and the people as its slaves. They do not seek out the wishes of the public and the public has no means of imposing their wishes on the government. Quite the contrary, the government tells the people what they should do and expects total compliance. This inverse relationship is not a democracy but an oligarchy. The only thing the people can do is vote once every 5 years to replace one lot with another who have exactly the same ideas. The media is a tame beast that supports this state of affairs since it too is corporatist in nature. We see this in the idea of 'UK plc'. This model see's the UK as giant corporation where each person is ruled and slotted into some role. This is wrong, the government is not there to tell the people what to do, or what to think. The government is there to do what they are told by the people.

This is compounded by idealism is politics. Time after time we see governments making policies based on ideology rather than doing what is best for the people. The government is not there to implement social models, not Marxist, socialist or anything else. It is there to do whatever is in the interest of the British people. The politician may go into politics with the idea of implementing some agenda. This is itself should disqualify them. They should have no agenda, their job is to do the will of the people.

One of the more egregious policies is that of creating dependence. They don't want people growing their own food because then they would not be dependent. You don't have heat pumps and solar cells on each house because then they would not be dependent. You encourage all food to come from a few large supermarkets, who make political contributions, all power comes from central generators. Everything must be centralized leaving the individual powerless. Many ancient societies considered self reliance a virtue. These days it is prevented to turn the person into a helpless worker doing whatever it is told. We no longer meet our neighbors and discuss what we can do, most dont even know who lives next door. Everyone is kept isolated, driving to work alone, watching TV alone or with family. There is no community at all and thus no activism. This is exactly what they want. You cannot get together with your neighbors, cut the wood and quarry the stone to build your own homes. You cannot even build without their permission.

I contend that we have become a nation of slave workers and that suits our government just fine. You can expect to be called a terrorist if you try to oppose this state of affairs.

This is true and your factual theories can be supported by the current tax regime which makes it very difficult for someone to opt out as an individual. ie, VAT is a regressive tax used to catch out those who are not in the system, dito high council tax rates which are in fact covering for many areas that should be the concern of central government, ie Education, housing etc etc and therefore taxed via income tax etc. Even though you might be able to build your own house, grow your own food and fuel etc, you still need their money(tokens of government) to survive and therefore have to work in some way or other for 'Them'.

We have no party in the wings with an agenda to give us back more freedom, most goverments successivly keep the last goverments additions to law and tax, then add more them selves.

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