Shadow Minister Arrested

[dubsie]

It won't be long mate before you get your door kicked in for posting on this forum.

[yaakov]

I always voted Labour as I believed they would create a fair society. But what this government has done has made society very unfair. They punish hard workers and reward lazy people. For the first time in my lifetime working people are now poorer than those on benefits. It upsets me to see some of my customers struggling to make ends meet when they work full time.....yet next door is a family on benefits getting grants for home improvements and all the benefits they can get their hands on.

Now we are seeing Labour attack the fabric of democracy and free speech in order to remain in government. If Labour win again I honestly think they will never let go of power.

yes. It is obviously that no one has suffered more under this Government than the real honourable hard working classes. People they claim to represent.

It is clear that they really represent the arrogant super rich champaign socialists.

[Nickolarge]

I doubt you have a higher IQ than me. Not that I believe IQ to be a good measure of intelligence anyway. Feynman's IQ was apparently only 126 and yet I am sure he was a lot more intelligent than both of us.

The fact you brought up such an absurd argument shows you are clearly a very insecure individual.

I maintain my initial judgement that you are an idiot and a fool.

Hold on a second. You think it is acceptable in a debate to call someone a troll, an idiot and a fool and yet you find my challenge to your own level of intelligence absurd. I think that folk who need to add insults to their points are the insecure ones.

Whenever the issue of IQ's is raised those who don't know theirs or who got a lower score than they expected tend to question the viability of such tests. However you still stated that you doubt my claim regarding our comparative levels.

I only ever get called an idiot on this forum when the subject turns to politics and I have resisted the temptation to bite back more than a few times. You, however, have persisted with the 'idiot' nonsense and I really think a response is required this time.

Many years ago at quite a young age I sat a supervised IQ test with Mensa and scored above the 99th percentile.

Edited November 29, 2008 by Nickolarge

[yaakov]

Hold on a second. You think it is acceptable in a debate to call someone a troll, an idiot and a fool and yet you find my challenge to your own level of intelligence absurd. I think that folk who need to add insults to their points are the insecure ones.

Whenever the issue of IQ's is raised those who don't know theirs or who got a lower score than they expected tend to question the viability of such tests. However you still stated that you doubt my claim regarding our comparative levels.

I only ever get called an idiot on this forum when the subject turns to politics and I have resisted the temptation to bite back more than a few times. You, however, have persisted with the 'idiot' nonsense and I really think a response is required this time.

Many years ago at quite a young age I sat a supervised IQ test with Mensa and scored above the 99th percentile.

Hilarious - you really are a fool and an idiot

[thecrashingisles]

But what this government has done has made society very unfair. They punish hard workers and reward lazy people. For the first time in my lifetime working people are now poorer than those on benefits.

Last week Bob Crow (admittedly not a member of the government) was saying that they should increase benefits because they'll spend the money and it will be a better economic stimulus than cutting taxes! And he's supposed to represent the interests of the working people in his union!!! It really is outrageous.

[dubsie]

yes. It is obviously that no one has suffered more under this Government than the real honourable hard working classes. People they claim to represent.

It is clear that they really represent the arrogant super rich champaign socialists.

Very true but almost authoritarian liberal party wanting to force its views on a nation of people who want retain free speech, democracy and in a free society.

[AC2]

I still don't think there is anything remotely suggesting the UK is now a facist state, unless you want to believe it in the first place.

Right now? No, neither do I. But I certainly don't like the trend.

[dubsie]

Right now? No, neither do I. But I certainly don't like the trend.

I'm not sure we are far away though, this is very serious

[_w_]

You call me a fool and an idiot but I bet I have a higher IQ than you.

I doubt you have a higher IQ than me.

...

I maintain my initial judgement that you are an idiot and a fool.

Ladies?

[Nickolarge]

Champagne socialists are the biggest enemy of the working class because they are more interested in making marginal changes in the overall distribution of wealth than in helping individuals to make fundamental changes to their standard of living and position in society. It's funny that when we had Grammar Schools we had much more social mobility than we have now, and yet they were hated by the Left-wing.

My dad was no champagne socialist. He was the son of a printer on what is now the Sun.

Also, we still have Grammar Schools. And of those that have gone, many were closed under the Tories. The closest ex-grammar to here went under Heath and the one I attended went under Thatcher.

[Cogs]

Due to good fortune I went to one of the best schools in the country.

I will never forget the rabid foaming-at-the-mouth hatred shown by Labour speakers who came to our school's political events and debating society events.

They hated success and they hated any form of difference. We were all supposed to be churned out like bland clones from local Comprehensives.

Labour "speakers"?

We never even saw our Tory MP once the entire time I was in school. Invited repeatedly, couldn't find the time.

However, I believe (in fact, I know) he was a regular visitor to the private schools in the area. Says it all really.

[dubsie]

Labour "speakers"?

We never even saw our Tory MP once the entire time I was in school. Invited repeatedly, couldn't find the time.

However, I believe (in fact, I know) he was a regular visitor to the private schools in the area. Says it all really.

Don't believe you, just look at the list of Charities supported by David Cameron. Also look at the regular visits to factories he makes, looks at the thousands of homes he's visited. I have met David Cameron and he's a good lad and deserves a chance. Most Labour MPs also went to private school and in a lot of ways are bigger snobs, they hate the working classes. If they didn't why are tjhey destroying them and the jobs in which they once worked.

[Nickolarge]

Hilarious - you really are a fool and an idiot

Maybe, but with a higher IQ than you.

It's ok for you to claim that you went to 'one of the best schools in the country' but not for me to claim a high IQ.

You should have joined your school's debating society. It might have taught you how to make a valid (or invalid) point without resorting to insults .

[Cogs]

Don't believe you, just look at the list of Charities supported by David Cameron. Also look at the regular visits to factories he makes, looks at the thousands of homes he's visited. I have met David Cameron and he's a good lad and deserves a chance. Most Labour MPs also went to private school and in a lot of ways are bigger snobs, they hate the working classes. If they didn't why are tjhey destroying them and the jobs in which they once worked.

You are calling me a liar because David Cameron supports "Charities"? What sort of argument is that.

David Cameron was still playing spunky biscuit with "Bozza" and "Toppa" at the time (and 14 other Tory front benchers who went to the same school), much less was he my MP.

Edit: or possibly later on smashing up pubs with Bozza and Toppa and "Oiky" while wearing tails and a bowtie. Anyhow.

Edited November 29, 2008 by Cogs

[yaakov]

Maybe, but with a higher IQ than you.

It's ok for you to claim that you went to 'one of the best schools in the country' but not for me to claim a high IQ.

You should have joined your school's debating society. It might have taught you how to make a valid (or invalid) point without resorting to insults .

good night.

I have never had such a hilarious conversation here.

brilliant.

[Methinkshe]

One for Pat Primer - I'm sure he admires Tony Benn.

Tony Benn, the veteran Labour backbench MP, said: "Once the police can interfere with Parliament, we are into the police state. Parliament is a safeguard against the abuse of power and once you start clamping down on it you are saying goodbye to the freedom it gives you."

Read full article here: Jacqui Smith under pressure over Damian Green arrest

[patprimer74]

One for Pat Primer - I'm sure he admires Tony Benn.

No, not especially so.

You seem to admire him, though. How far left are you?

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[Methinkshe]

No, not especially so.

You seem to admire him, though. How far left are you?

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I admire anyone who defends individual liberty - and if that person is Tony Benn, then he has my admiration.

Unlike you, I am not fixated on party politics. Good men come in many guises, as do bad men. No single party has a monopoly on either type. Frank Field, for instance, is an excellent MP whetever his party affiliation. And Shaun Woodward is a lousy MP, a self-serving, vain, viper of a man - whichever side of the floor he chooses to sit.

[patprimer74]

I admire anyone who defends individual liberty - and if that person is Tony Benn, then he has my admiration.

Unlike you, I am not fixated on party politics. Good men come in many guises, as do bad men. No single party has a monopoly on either type. Frank Field, for instance, is an excellent MP whetever his party affiliation. And Shaun Woodward is a lousy MP, a self-serving, vain, viper of a man - whichever side of the floor he chooses to sit.

I think I understand you, Methinkshe:

Tony Benn says something today that supports the Tory line - he's a Good Man.

Frank Field almost always says things that support the Tory line - he's a Good Man.

Shaun Woodward crosses the floor and supports Labour - he's a Bad Man.

"I am not fixated on party politics"! Of course you're not, Methinkshe! No-one could possibly say otherwise, could they?

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[Methinkshe]

I think I understand you, Methinkshe:

Tony Benn says something today that supports the Tory line - he's a Good Man.

Frank Field almost always says things that support the Tory line - he's a Good Man.

Shaun Woodward crosses the floor and supports Labour - he's a Bad Man.

"I am not fixated on party politics"! Of course you're not, Methinkshe! No-one could possibly say otherwise, could they?

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Why do you believe that Tony Benn's statement "supports the Tory line" unless it is that the Tory line promotes individual freedom?

Tony Benn's statement has no political hue - it is a straightforward observation concerning the roles of parliament, the police and the executive.

Is it really too difficult for you to believe that there are matters - such as individual liberty - that transcend party politics?

Btw, Shaun Woodward is a scum-bag imo because of his hypocrisy - a champagne socialist, as it turns out, of the highest order. Crossing the floor just revealed the man's hypocrisy - it didn't create it.

['Bart']

One for Pat Primer - I'm sure he admires Tony Benn.

I'm astonished that he's even heard of him. Probably thought that he was an 80s boxer.

[Jack's Creation]

You are calling me a liar because David Cameron supports "Charities"? What sort of argument is that.

David Cameron was still playing spunky biscuit with "Bozza" and "Toppa" at the time (and 14 other Tory front benchers who went to the same school), much less was he my MP.

Edit: or possibly later on smashing up pubs with Bozza and Toppa and "Oiky" while wearing tails and a bowtie. Anyhow.

You really should stop fantasising about what you think David Cameron got up to was as a schoolboy -it isn't healthy.

[manterik]

I admire anyone who defends individual liberty - and if that person is Tony Benn, then he has my admiration.

Unlike you, I am not fixated on party politics. Good men come in many guises, as do bad men. No single party has a monopoly on either type. Frank Field, for instance, is an excellent MP whetever his party affiliation. And Shaun Woodward is a lousy MP, a self-serving, vain, viper of a man - whichever side of the floor he chooses to sit.

Yup. it is easy to admire someone for their personal qualities rather than their political views. I admire Tam Dalyell and Tony Benn as well as Frank Field although I agree with little of their politics.

[AnotherSTR]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7754473.stm

Interesting body language and voice tone in that vid, she would appear to be absolutely fuming, wonder if someone has gone beyond their remit.

She's not fuming, but employing the look of righteous indignation that people are saying she was involved. However it is inconceivable that she did not know of the planned arrest.

She's also making no attempt to defend the rights of MPs' freedom of speech. If she had an once of integrity she would make some comment other than hide behind police independence. She's an authoritarian ***ch who believes she completely in the right, ie. very dangerous.

Having looked at the output from the BBC and Sky this morining I can only conclude that we doomed to live in a police state where speaking out is a crime, the internet is regulated and all our moves are tracked on government databases.

Contrast the media interest in this story with that of Ross and Brand What a ****ed up country we are!

[patprimer74]

You've all missed the obvious, haven't you?

"The Met said some counter-terrorism officers were involved in the arrest because they were the most "appropriate" to carry out such an operation. "

Now, what d'you think that means? It couldn't be made much clearer for you, could it:

"... counter-terrorism officers ... were the most "appropriate" to carry out such an operation."

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