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Give it a rest with the ...........'s. There is no form of writing that replaces proper sentences, punctuation and capital letters with loads of dots.

Apathy and Conservatism go hand in hand. The Tories are all about preserving a mythical bygone golden age. It never existed and even if it did we could not go back to it. When did you last hear any mention of Tory 'activists'. You don't because that type of right winger thinks that those who actually do get up and do something are all oiks of some sort.

That's why we have the BNP and UKIP. For right wingers who want to do a bit more than write a letter to the Times or Telegraph.

are you some kind of fool?

You really live in some weird parallel universe.

We now live in a country where opposition politicians get arrested for doing a normal everyday part of their jobs.

The BNP are a bunch of national socialist collectivists. Their socio-economic membership profile has a lot more in common with the Labour party membership profile and they are gaining support in Labour strongholds. The Labour Government's destruction of the political, social and economic fabric of this country is increasing political extremism.

idiot.

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Reliable sources. What, like the Guardian?

I won't take the bait only to say that if you'd read my previous posts you would know you were wasting your time.

I'd wait for something to show up in the FT. It's the only news source in the UK I don't consider to be complete waste of time.

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It could be. But on the other hand Michael Gove and George Osborne and other Tory supporters of police powers may be thinking "If New Labour can do this to us, what can we do when it's our turn".

There you have, in a nutshell, the reason why very few laws bought in by 'the last lot' ever get repealed.

Just the same as the fact that a new government never digs out the proof of all the mis-deeds of the old lot. They undoubtedly have access to loads of potentially damaging stuff but they never show it to us.

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I won't take the bait only to say that if you'd read my previous posts you would know you were wasting your time.

I'd wait for something to show up in the FT. It's the only news source in the UK I don't consider to be complete waste of time.

No need to wait: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0d5c4346-bd8e-11...00779fd18c.html

It seems to reflect the majority view on this thread, don't you think?

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are you some kind of fool?

You really live in some weird parallel universe.

We now live in a country where opposition politicians get arrested for doing a normal everyday part of their jobs.

The BNP are a bunch of national socialist collectivists. Their socio-economic membership profile has a lot more in common with the Labour party membership profile and they are gaining support in Labour strongholds. The Labour Government's destruction of the political, social and economic fabric of this country is increasing political extremism.

idiot.

What's your socio-economic profile? It might be identical to mine but we are diametrically opposed so what exactly does that prove.

You call me a fool and an idiot but I bet I have a higher IQ than you.

My father was a so called 'Captain of Industry' but he was also a Labour voter all his working life and he was no fool either. Both he and I have heard all the Tory arguments over and over again and they never change. They are all based on taking a negative view about 'the way things are today' and rely heavily on stereotypes. Immigrants this, dole scroungers that,etc. Same old same old. They even drag out old ad slogans because they have nothing new to say. 'Tax bombshell' <_< . The Tories have never altered my overall wealth with their tax 'cuts'.

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Give it a rest with the ...........'s. There is no form of writing that replaces proper sentences, punctuation and capital letters with loads of dots.

I wish the various academic authors I work with would abandon ellipses. They do love to use 'em.

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No need to wait: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0d5c4346-bd8e-11...00779fd18c.html

It seems to reflect the majority view on this thread, don't you think?

Thanks for that. I haven't finishined reading but two things deserve a comment:

- the police had a warrant. Would that imply that the justice system is also part of this Labour police state conspiracy?

- And yes, I have to admit, the police showing up at his home wearing purple rubber gloves was very poor taste.

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What's your socio-economic profile? It might be identical to mine but we are diametrically opposed so what exactly does that prove.

You call me a fool and an idiot but I bet I have a higher IQ than you.

My father was a so called 'Captain of Industry' but he was also a Labour voter all his working life and he was no fool either. Both he and I have heard all the Tory arguments over and over again and they never change. They are all based on taking a negative view about 'the way things are today' and rely heavily on stereotypes. Immigrants this, dole scroungers that,etc. Same old same old. They even drag out old ad slogans because they have nothing new to say. 'Tax bombshell'. The Tories have never altered my overall wealth with their tax 'cuts'.

You are talking utter crap mate, sorry utter poop. Working people have not not done well under this government. They have had their pensions virtually stolen, their standard of living has been attacked and they now have no job security. The conservatives for the first time in a generation are the party that finally realizes that it is working people of all incomes that need help.....

And before you call me a tory....for the last 30 years I have voted Labour.....next time I'll be voting conservative.

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I wish the various academic authors I work with would abandon ellipses. They do love to use 'em.

OK, interesting. There is still too little information here, no doubt more will come out in the coming days.

I still think at this stage, and based on this article, you had to want to believe we are in a new Labour police state to make that conclusion.

For starters I'd like to know what the police has to say about its reason for arresting Green (not what Cameron or some other self serving politician has to say), and what the justification for the warrant was. Way too early to call this one IMO!

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No, I don't think it reflect the majority view on this thread at all. It describes some facts without jumping to conclusions unlike the majority on this thread.

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You are talking utter crap mate, sorry utter poop. Working people have not not done well under this government. They have had their pensions virtually stolen, their standard of living has been attacked and they now have no job security. The conservatives for the first time in a generation are the party that finally realizes that it is working people of all incomes that need help.....

And before you call me a tory....for the last 30 years I have voted Labour.....next time I'll be voting conservative.

Tory is as Tory does. If you vote for them next time and in the mean time post messages supporting them, for the time being at least, you are a Tory.

As for what they 'finally realize' I would say it is more a case of what to say and where to position themselves to win. At the moment, due only to the financial crisis and nothing else, that is 'anywhere but close to Brown'.

A year or two after they win you will be singing a different tune. I'll put money on it.

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What's your socio-economic profile? It might be identical to mine but we are diametrically opposed so what exactly does that prove.

You call me a fool and an idiot but I bet I have a higher IQ than you.

My father was a so called 'Captain of Industry' but he was also a Labour voter all his working life and he was no fool either. Both he and I have heard all the Tory arguments over and over again and they never change. They are all based on taking a negative view about 'the way things are today' and rely heavily on stereotypes. Immigrants this, dole scroungers that,etc. Same old same old. They even drag out old ad slogans because they have nothing new to say. 'Tax bombshell' <_< . The Tories have never altered my overall wealth with their tax 'cuts'.

I doubt you have a higher IQ than me. Not that I believe IQ to be a good measure of intelligence anyway. Feynman's IQ was apparently only 126 and yet I am sure he was a lot more intelligent than both of us.

The fact you brought up such an absurd argument shows you are clearly a very insecure individual.

In any case, I am not talking about individuals but broad profiles. The BNP is taking support from Labour in traditional Labour areas. This makes sense as they are both socialist collectivist ideologies that are supposed to appeal to the working classes.

All your posts consist of ridiculous strawman arguments where you construct some stereotypical Tory character and then knock it down. Your arrogance is astounding.

I maintain my initial judgement that you are an idiot and a fool.

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A bit of a nut freak?

It's only a little bag 100g maybe 200g... the point was they were dirt cheap not so long ago. Not the nicest, but OK. Lidl are OK for nuts, they have big bags of Big D (?) ~ £1 and own label M&Ms 89p.

A lot of 'value' lines have crept up in price (profit motive as consumers switch form the higher priced branded products).

I like some peanuts with a nice can of beer, I must confess.

You lot still not got this?

Green had knowledge about the IDs of the Brits involved in the Bombay malarky. Knowing he was going to leak, SO15 popped round to explain he'd be compromising an operation. Paps on his step eyeballed the CTC who took him in for form's sake.

End of.

That's a pretty good theory, a bit 007 but who knows. Very interesting, but whatever it looks bad for democracy and lends support to those who seem to have a growing argument that our civil liberties are going faster than condoms at a swingers' party.

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My father was a so called 'Captain of Industry' but he was also a Labour voter all his working life and he was no fool either.

Champagne socialists are the biggest enemy of the working class because they are more interested in making marginal changes in the overall distribution of wealth than in helping individuals to make fundamental changes to their standard of living and position in society. It's funny that when we had Grammar Schools we had much more social mobility than we have now, and yet they were hated by the Left-wing.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7754473.stm

Interesting body language and voice tone in that vid, she would appear to be absolutely fuming, wonder if someone has gone beyond their remit.

Can anyone find the statement by the police where they have been "completely clear that the arrest happened without ministerial involvement or authorisation" Can't seem to find anything that backs up what Jacqui Smith is saying...

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Champagne socialists are the biggest enemy of the working class because they are more interested in making marginal changes in the overall distribution of wealth than in helping individuals to make fundamental changes to their standard of living and position in society. It's funny that when we had Grammar Schools we had much more social mobility than we have now, and yet they were hated by the Left-wing.

My school become a Comprehensive under Thatcher.

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No, I don't think it reflect the majority view on this thread at all. It describes some facts without jumping to conclusions unlike the majority on this thread.

Really? The first para:

"MPs from all parties on Friday expressed outrage at the “tinpot dictatorship” treatment of Damian Green, the shadow immigration minister, as speculation raged about who had ordered his arrest under terror laws."

All parties, note (I have no party-political axe to grind here either). Sure, the FT's writer(s) may have no opinion about the broad direction of this HPC thread, but it seems that 'MPs from all parties' share a lot of the concerns being expressed here.

Whichever way you look at it, the use of 'terror laws' seems either stupid or aggressively malicious.

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My school become a Comprehensive under Thatcher.

Yes we all know the statistics about how many were closed under the Conservaties but a UK government is not an elected dictatorship. The policy was introduced under a Labour government and was driven by Left-wing ideology. The Conservaties are guilty of going along with the tide on this issue.

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I don't want to think that. It's like saying only people that want to think "e-mail-instantiated shoes are the future" will think it. No one wants to think about "e-mail-instantiated shoes". Or Labour.

:lol:

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Yes, but do you want to believe! You should have more faith in the concept of "e-mail-instantiated shoes". They ARE the future.

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Tory is as Tory does. If you vote for them next time and in the mean time post messages supporting them, for the time being at least, you are a Tory.

As for what they 'finally realize' I would say it is more a case of what to say and where to position themselves to win. At the moment, due only to the financial crisis and nothing else, that is 'anywhere but close to Brown'.

A year or two after they win you will be singing a different tune. I'll put money on it.

I'm not fussed about the financial crisis to be honest, that won't swing my vote as I've not been affected. What bothers me more is the authoritarian nature of this government, they have to go simple as that or we are facing a dictatorship.

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Can anyone find the statement by the police where they have been "completely clear that the arrest happened without ministerial involvement or authorisation" Can't seem to find anything that backs up what Jacqui Smith is saying...

Yes, police released a statement.

Linky

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10...eaks-media.html

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Yes we all know the statistics about how many were closed under the Conservaties but a UK government is not an elected dictatorship. The policy was introduced under a Labour government and was driven by Left-wing ideology. The Conservaties are guilty of going along with the tide on this issue.

Due to good fortune I went to one of the best schools in the country.

I will never forget the rabid foaming-at-the-mouth hatred shown by Labour speakers who came to our school's political events and debating society events.

They hated success and they hated any form of difference. We were all supposed to be churned out like bland clones from local Comprehensives.

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Due to good fortune I went to one of the best schools in the country.

I will never forget the rabid foaming-at-the-mouth hatred shown by Labour speakers who came to our school's political events and debating society events.

They hated success and they hated any form of difference. We were all supposed to be churned out like bland clones from local Comprehensives.

I always voted Labour as I believed they would create a fair society. But what this government has done has made society very unfair. They punish hard workers and reward lazy people. For the first time in my lifetime working people are now poorer than those on benefits. It upsets me to see some of my customers struggling to make ends meet when they work full time.....yet next door is a family on benefits getting grants for home improvements and all the benefits they can get their hands on.

Now we are seeing Labour attack the fabric of democracy and free speech in order to remain in government. If Labour win again I honestly think they will never let go of power.

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Really? The first para:

"MPs from all parties on Friday expressed outrage at the “tinpot dictatorship” treatment of Damian Green, the shadow immigration minister, as speculation raged about who had ordered his arrest under terror laws."

All parties, note (I have no party-political axe to grind here either). Sure, the FT's writer(s) may have no opinion about the broad direction of this HPC thread, but it seems that 'MPs from all parties' share a lot of the concerns being expressed here.

Whichever way you look at it, the use of 'terror laws' seems either stupid or aggressively malicious.

It's what the FT's writer says that I care about. His report of MPs acting like outraged virgins in front of the camera I don't give much weight to.

As for the terror laws, well they are turning out to be a pian in the **** I agree. To say that business with Iceland was unfortunate would be most generous. As for this particular case I'd like to know why the chap was arrested, which we don't even know yet (being arrested as a follow-up to an investigation into leaks doesn't tell us why _he_ was arrested).

Sorry but I'd rather be incredulous at this stage, and I still don't think there is anything remotely suggesting the UK is now a facist state, unless you want to believe it in the first place. A guy's been arrested - OK, what for - we don't know yet, he's a politician - good they all probably belong in a jail anyway.

Now what's that man with purple rubber gloves doing outside my house...

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