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I went to Gran Canaria in February 2007 and there was a smoking ban then and in the airport too.

The Spanish system says any place under 100meters square then its up to the owner to decide...

anything above that is non smoking.

Im not sure how a pub IN an airport would fair under the rule?

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The Spanish system says any place under 100meters square then its up to the owner to decide...

anything above that is non smoking.

Im not sure how a pub IN an airport would fair under the rule?

Weird you would think it would be the other way round.

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It's lovely to be able to go to the pub of an evening and enjoy a few pints of Guinness and a chat without the stink of cigarette smoke. Don't less than 1 in 4 people smoke now, anyway?

I am a non smoker, but in a way the pub isn't quite the pub without the smoke. It almost became OK for me to come home stinking if it meant all my smoking and non smoking friends could get twatted in the same room. I am one of the few in my group of pals that doesn't smoke

No doubt about it, it's different. It's a right kerfuffle now when every 30 minutes my friends ****** off outside for a fag. It's even the case at test matches this year when you are already ******ing outside!!!

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It's lovely to be able to go to the pub of an evening and enjoy a few pints of Guinness and a chat without the stink of cigarette smoke. Don't less than 1 in 4 people smoke now, anyway?

Depends, in Barnsley it must be less than 1% are non-smokers.

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Not to ressurect the smoking-non-smoking debate...

But more bullocks from the govt a committee wants to put an end to the Happy Hour and end cheap booze from supermarkets.

(Lifted from another thread, more appropriate here...)

Perhaps they'll be awoken by the threat to their pint.

MPs call for pub happy hours ban

and...

Have Your Say - Should Cheap Alcohol Promotions Be Banned

Yet more interference in our lives. Binge drinkers who can be controlled by existing laws if enforced, to be dealt with by banning happy hours in pubs and forcing supermarkets to up their prices.

I don't think drink is particularly cheap in pubs. Nor do I think the vast majority of people who enjoy a drink and behave themselves be penalised (thanks to another remote out-of-touch committee) for the behaviour of the minority. It's the class idiot/bully syndrome.

The Daily Mash sums it up nicely:

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Tom Logan, a trainee accountant from Peterborough, said: "So what you're saying is, they've ******ed up the economy, forced the country to the point of bankruptcy and put my job and my home in jeopardy while at the same time paying themselves a hundred grand a year in expenses and are now telling me I shouldn't be allowed to buy a couple of

cheap bottles of wine on a Friday night so I can forget my troubles for a few hours instead of hunting them down and roasting them on a spit like the shit-caked, trough-guzzling pigs that they are?

Two things to note: This govt's push fro 24 hour opening (continental stylee) and the appearance of credit card payment machines and cash machines in pubs encouraging people to overspend when they are at their most vulnerable (stupid).

Will this toss-pot govt please butt out of our lives.

They truly are a parody of government.

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The deeper and more sinister this depression gets the less some weird smoking ban will be!

When people are on their ****, tey wont care if someone is smoking

This government has lost the plot...or they never had it in te frst place

Do any of you know that in this time of massive financial turmoil and huge depression they have actually brought in a law that bans the name of the garage that issues a number plate in small writting at the bottom of it

Like ANYONE fukin cares!

this one law at this time proves beyond all else that they have no clue how to deal with major issues

The labour party really are the party of " my mam voted labour and so did my dad and so will I" sheep

fukin mongs

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Why go to the pub and pay £3.00 for a pint when you can pop up the local corner store and buy 4 Pints or £3.00 and smoke nasty nasty killer smokey fags, while you drink it?

People drinking together have a habit of spreading malcontent, especially as they like to rant about how much everyday luxuries now cost a bomb.

The French revolution was brewed in such establishments! SO expect super markets/corner shops to have the will of the elite imposed apon on them soon. All in the name of public unrest/cost of policing while our government still waste Billions on banks and pointless wars.

You are already being programmed to admit it is true, our country if full of drunks and crack addicts that would rather stab you , than share a joke and a larf over a couple of beers

And social disorder all caused by by people not eating X-Factor and choosing a few drinks with their friends as opposed to media manipulation sat at home accepting that things in the world might not be right...but are beyond their control.

I am no lefty/righty or a big fan of Orwell, but it seems the government is taking the piss! on a massive scale....AND I AM PAYING FOR THIS GUILT they programme me with, even though I get up every day to work/pay taxes/Banks/and pointless public servants that view me as a criminal? WTF.

I don't watch the TV anymore, as I am clearly guilty of not buying into the debt culture.

I am a bad consumer! a bad person! if I really cared about my neighbour I wouldn't buy him a pint down the pub, I would encourage him to take a 125% interest only mortgage and invite him round for parties so we can gloat how wealthy we are.

I am a saving terrorist! lock me up! I didn't do my bit to restart the the housing boom, I avoided BTL as I find it amoral. I saw a house as a home, not an economic driver, I smoke (Away from non smokers & childeren) and drink beer with my friends, Jez how do I live with myself?

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Down the pub today and landlord told me that 5 pub close every day, I told him I did not realise there was that many pubs in Derby. I was corrected and he told me that was in the UK. Another customer asked him how to calculate how long would it take it for his pub to be the last one as he would need to know this for his pub to make any profit. He had literally 5 people in all evening. I might be mistaken, I got there at 8 ish.

How does he manage to keep it open, try no heating at all, it was and always is bloody freezing in there. He spends absolutely NO MONEY ON REFURBISHMENTS AT ALL. Carpet dated 1988, television is one hell of an old 24 inch CRT covered in a big brown wooden box. Stack of Videos. Stacks of books everywhere, old broken piano, guiters hung on walls. Posters of ICONS everywhere, Elvis, Maradonna, Al Pacino. Plays the same old films again and again and again, Purple rain, Bruce Springstein, Marlon Brando films and other old iconic films. The place is mortgage free and has been for donkeys years.

The thing I like about the place come Boom or Bust or Economic meltdowns as we are witnessing now, the pub will always be the same, same trade, same beer, same movies same decor, same customers. He has a tendancy or barring new customers, he does not like them ruining the atmosphere. This pub is a real enigma, it makes no sense at all to keep it going based on financial judgement alone, but I love the place.

Enough of my ramplings read this article about pubs closing. http://travel.iafrica.com/bulletinboard/1171285.htm

Sounds like the perfect prole hang out to me. I'd love to visit it. :)

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Neither myself nor my mates go to the pub because of increased house prices. How are we supposed to save for a place - spending money in the pub when an off licence charges half the price? Get real.

Another benefit of HPI! <_<

All roads lead to over-priced houses. It is money being taken out of the economy to be given to the banks who waste it at the casinos they set up.

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

It wouldnt suprise me if they did actually say that

Don't laugh,the guy has a point.

The MSM has pumped obama as the new saviour,tony blair as the new saviour,Broon as the fool.

People are waking up to the system,and realise it's the same shit in a different colour box.That's what the powers that be fear most.

The system is as such,that the incumbent Mr Cameron...who is primed to come to power,is meant to replicate the policies,and persona of harold wilson mk 2.....broon signing away our future via lisbon is edward heath all over again.

We are at the same stage of the economic cycle...and these guys are one-trick ponies.

Blair(wilson)...followed by broon(heath)...then cameron(wilson) 1 term failure(72-75),with a bit more callaghan(milliband?)NuLabour for 2-3 years,when utter abject failure kicks in in 2017....followed by a thatcher to sort it all out.

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Sounds like the perfect prole hang out to me. I'd love to visit it. :)

His place has gone even better, he has now fallen out with the regulars. It is brilliant, no one turns up. Fantastic, the pool table all to myself. Credit crunch? What credit crunch, he had no business back then either. He laughed at the VAT news, "what the hell is VAT" was his reply. He is lucky to get a tax bill with his turnover. I truley believe the pool table made more money than the bar that night. And too top it all, he treated me to a free pub lunch cause I stayed and kept him company.

I do not know why he keeps the place open, I think it is just a place to showcase his elvis memorabilia. Seriously has to be one of the coolest bars in the whole of Derby, if not the world. As a non drinker, he has now introduced coffee on the menu, to try and get some money out of me. Prices fluctuate, last night he charged me 75p and today it was £1.50. I told him I am not coming tommorow.

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Im not arguing for or against the ban - its a legal perspective. The point is that the smoking ban was primarily introduced to protect employee health . The issues around whether or not its nice for the public to sit in a smokey pub or not is actually a secondary issue. The approach you are suggesting would potentially overturn the basis of every piece of occupational safety legislation since 1974. You are removing any duty by employers to protect employee health and assuming the employee has a choice of whether or not to expose themselves to health and safety risks through work. Thats all very well assuming its an employees market who can pick and choose work. As for vehicles it is equitable - in virutally all circumstances you are required to wear a seat belt in a car. A bus is a different type of vehicle. I believe the reason for not making seat belts mandatory on buses is the relatively low speed they travel at. In contrast coaches (higher speed) seat belts are now mandatory although I dont think they have to be worn. But again this is a decision the legislators have to make and ultimately we can influence through the ballot box.

What about working in confined spaces.

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I am not surprised when a pint nearly costs as much as the hourly minimum wage and also with the horriffic daily costs of living food prices, petrol still expensive (due to almost 90% tax it, Rip Off Britain ) , heating costs, increasing unemployment, mortgage debt, council tax . The average person can only just get by now and to then look forward to the miniscule State Pension and be able then to freeze to death, I wander why Euthanasia is becoming popular again.

Decisions from Parliament from MPs (warm nice offices, 10 homes, nice wages, expenses, gold plated pensions, kids to private schools ) who have lost touch with the suffering that the average person on the street has to survive . Its the people that are so removed from reality that are making today's decisions . I think beggars are banned from the vicinity of Parliament so as not to upset the MPs and not give them a reality check.

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The thing that really got to me about the given reasons and justifications for the smoking ban is the way that they started off justifying it on the basis that "most people don't smoke" and "most people want it" and then changed to "elf n safety of staff" when they realised that this was the "argument that allowed no dissent".

If elf n safety overrode all other concerns in 2007 - how come smoking was allowed in bars up until then?

The health lobby wanted to ban it. Most people didn't care that much. If they had cared, then when someone opened a non-smoking bar, everyone would have gone there. But they didn't.

When they couldn't get clear support for a total ban, they switched to the elf n safety tactic, and then act as if there can be no more discussion or debate, "cos its elf n safety".

Just hire smokers to work in smoking bars. Problem is solved.

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The pub I was in last night shut its doors at 11pm and then got the ashtrays out for people to spark up at will. I was a bit tired and hadnt intended satying for a lock in. However, once it became clear that the kind old landlady was happy for us to smoke in the pub, well it was too good an opportunity to pass up. I managed til 1am. Best 2 hours Ive had in a boozer since June 07. It suddenly had an atmosphere again! If its something she does on a regular basis, she has got herself a new regular.

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