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There are much better spots, countryside-wide, locally. Specifically the problem with this location is that the woods aren't really a public amenity - there are no trails or nature reserves nearby, the woods are just there. In Horsell you are potentially bordering much more accessible and nicer woods, but also within a mile of the station, whereas from here it's probably 15 minutes to drive and park at either West Byfleet or Woking station.

There are quite a few very nice houses in walking distance of West Byfleet station. This is one of the better ones, previously owned I think by Ron Dennis of McLaren (by no means the only multimillionaire in the area), rather OTT perhaps (certainly more justifying the hyperbole than that place), but only half-a-mile from the station, Waitrose and restaurants, and still on a private road in 2 acres:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=23102028&sale=47454563&country=england

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There are much better spots, countryside-wide, locally. Specifically the problem with this location is that the woods aren't really a public amenity - there are no trails or nature reserves nearby, the woods are just there. In Horsell you are potentially bordering much more accessible and nicer woods, but also within a mile of the station, whereas from here it's probably 15 minutes to drive and park at either West Byfleet or Woking station.

There are quite a few very nice houses in walking distance of West Byfleet station. This is one of the better ones, previously owned I think by Ron Dennis of McLaren (by no means the only multimillionaire in the area), rather OTT perhaps (certainly more justifying the hyperbole than that place), but only half-a-mile from the station, Waitrose and restaurants, and still on a private road in 2 acres:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=23102028&sale=47454563&country=england

That one is very nice, but we are really moving into another price bracket at almost £4m!

I think that by moving south 20 or so miles, you could pick up something approaching the £1.8m house for not much more than £1m without losing too much of the so-called convenience of that one.

That should be a good investment as well, because I think the countryside is currently very under-priced and out of fashion compared to more urban areas.

There is a thread on the main forum about what people are prepared to pay to live in Hackney and other godforsaken areas of inner London at the moment. A nice £1m pile in outer-Surrey/Hampshire would probably have been worth as much as a whole street in Hackney 20 years ago, but now only about the same as a rat-invested loft conversion there. Fashions change, and that can't last forever.

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Does anyone fall for this sort of utter bo11ocks?

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/30892021?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6

"This property is far from ordinary in every sense… it’s extraordinary. You will never move again… after this where would you go! This property will enchant you, its location, it’s in the middle of nowhere and close to everywhere. A once in a lifetime home."

This sort of thing makes me want to buy an AK47 and take the nearest estate agents office hostage.

Utter, utter c*nts.

Let's point out the facts:

Manderley - sprawling estate with servants,

this place - Victorian village hall

Grounds - not even an acre

Location - far from great, you have to drive everywhere, you can't even walk to the public playground half-a-mile down the road because you would get run down by a car as there's no pavement

"There is a self-contained annexe, so you can have an au pair or find a granny!"

Translation: you are either slaving away so many hours in London and commuting that you never see your kids, or you are spending your life changing incontinence pads. Whoop!

it is very ordinary , laminate flooring everywhere and the cheap b&q type too :lol:

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That one is very nice, but we are really moving into another price bracket at almost £4m!

I think that by moving south 20 or so miles, you could pick up something approaching the £1.8m house for not much more than £1m without losing too much of the so-called convenience of that one.

That should be a good investment as well, because I think the countryside is currently very under-priced and out of fashion compared to more urban areas.

There is a thread on the main forum about what people are prepared to pay to live in Hackney and other godforsaken areas of inner London at the moment. A nice £1m pile in outer-Surrey/Hampshire would probably have been worth as much as a whole street in Hackney 20 years ago, but now only about the same as a rat-invested loft conversion there. Fashions change, and that can't last forever.

Well yeah, twice as much. It looks it too! The £1.8m house is entirely unremarkable.

This is on the same road as the Ron Dennis house, but at £2m asking

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-40369393.html?premiumA=true

And another, albeit at £3.5m:

http://www.curchods.com/display/267518

If you did want to spend that kind of cash, then a nice private cul-de-sac where all the houses are on 2 acre plots makes more sense than house on the side of a main road overlooking the woods (it's fine if you own the woods of course!).

If you want a nice house for the price then 60 miles north will give you much better value than 20 miles south.

There are some quite distant train stops south from London that are still hideously expensive, e.g. Brighton, Winchester, and so on.

For your £500k you get a lot more in say Northampton

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=42087989&sale=49266173&country=england

than Haslemere

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=39994570&sale=50306012&country=england

Both about the same commute from London

I don't see this:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=27228873&sale=676795&country=england

as particularly more compelling than this

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=32864098&sale=47114069&country=england

or this

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=41831147&sale=49399397&country=england

The godforsakenness in London doesn't really abate, IMO, but there are certain trends - e.g., the huge amount of money they've spent making the schools less stabby - that seem to feed it. Also I suppose foreign money feeding in

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Of course down in the further reaches of Kent a buyer £1m goes a fair distance too.

50 minutes from London:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=25874451&sale=421783&country=england

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=24978897&sale=49374515&country=england

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-23904213.html

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=39823654&sale=49794671&country=england

And you can take advantage of the £49 day trips to France to load up on wine for the cellar...

Grammar schools for the kids, too.

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The godforsakenness in London doesn't really abate, IMO, but there are certain trends - e.g., the huge amount of money they've spent making the schools less stabby - that seem to feed it. Also I suppose foreign money feeding in

London seems to be a self fulfilling prophecy at the moment. People are piling in to central areas like Hackney regardless of what they are like and even the grimey suburbs like Penge and Sydenham are shooting up at an alarming rate as professionals move in. The more that happens, the better the schools get, the more boutiques and restaurants take over the fried chicken shops etc etc.

20 years ago I reckon the part of Surbiton where I live now was more than twice as expensive as Hackney like for like, now Hackney is probably twice the price of Surbiton. That is quite a rise given that Surbiton has gone up probably 400% in nominal terms in that time itself.

Whether that continues into the long term or not is a different matter. I suppose a lot depends on whether we repeat the 60s-70s problems of building massive tower blocks that turn into sink estates immediately, and how much people now actually care about that. I remember elderly relatives who lived in London when I was a kid telling me 'it used to be lovely around here' and I just didn't believe them as it was totally beyond my compehension that could be true.

I suppose that my underlying belief is that most people ultimately want to move into the type of house that you have linked to in your last post rather than stick around in London unless they can afford Kensington or Chelsea. Perhaps that is just because I am over 30, though, and the kids these days don't think about that as a good move. Perhaps it is because non-prime London is actually better now than the scary place it was when I was a kid, I don't know....

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Yep, Kent is very reasonable on the whole.

There are the areas like Sevenoaks which offer similar convenience to north Surrey at similar prices, but as soon as you move east a bit it gets much cheaper and, as you say, the journey times aren't that bad as long as you live near a station.

That is just as well, because whilst £900k for those very nice houses looks very reasonable, you'd definitely need to be earning London money to fund one unless you are retired or have inherited.

Not quite sure what the local buyers on the minimum wage end up with...

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some great houses :blink:

cheap too

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That is just as well, because whilst £900k for those very nice houses looks very reasonable, you'd definitely need to be earning London money to fund one unless you are retired or have inherited.

Not sure, those sort of houses in years gone by wouldn't have been funded by London commuting money.

Not quite sure what the local buyers on the minimum wage end up with...

Well one difference down there is that you will find white English people doing those jobs. You definitely don't get that around London.

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Not sure, those sort of houses in years gone by wouldn't have been funded by London commuting money.

That is true, but they also would have been a whole lot cheaper in comparison to salaries.

These lovely houses are broadly the same price as the £900k semi in Surbiton that we have linked to in the Kingston thread (unbelievable but true!).

Up to the 1980's those semis were populated by higher-end tradesmen, local workers and lower/middle management London commuters. Now, you'd need quite a high London salary to get into one based on earnings, and local workers need not apply at all unless they run their own very successful business.

Those Kent houses wouldn't have had quite the same level of inflation, so would have been a bit more expensive in the 80s, but still affordable by higher end local workers as well as retirees and downshifters. I don't think that many London commuters travelled that far in those days as they didn't need to - if you earned a good salary back then, you could probably afford Esher or Sevenoaks anyway so why bother moving further out?

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Well one difference down there is that you will find white English people doing those jobs. You definitely don't get that around London.

Also true, but again that has been a massive change in the past 20 years. If you had the 'pleasure' of going down to the coastal towns like Hastings or Folkestone in the 80s, they were basically dormitory towns for recent Eastern European and Asian immigrants at a time when all of the pubs around London were staffed by English people (shortly to be replaced by the Aussie/Kiwi/SA invasion, who were then in turn replaced by the current Eastern Europeans.)

Now they are all in London/M25 area and the coast is back to English. It is all cyclical.

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More sh*tty bungalow here:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-44893973.html

It looks like a gypsy caravan up on bricks. Only two bedrooms and already extended, and the garden consists solely of decomposing decking.

Some of the neighbouring properties are quite nice though:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-42938459.html

I wonder if there would be a nice profit in buying something like that and knocking up one one of those overpriced caravans in each corner of the garden.

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Land for sale:

£200k

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=hillside,+woking&hl=en&ll=51.303105,-0.571064&spn=0.006936,0.013078&sll=51.241515,-0.565423&sspn=0.111121,0.209255&t=h&hnear=Hillside,+Woking,+Surrey,+United+Kingdom&z=17&layer=c&cbll=51.302994,-0.571081&panoid=shPfHY7bPln3FItm0iS4yg&cbp=12,345.93,,0,21.85

"Conditional offers welcome! A piece of land just over 0.25 acre, with potential to build (stuc) within a sought after road close to Woking town centre and benefiting from easy reach of both Woking and Guildford towns. In our opinion, there is potential to build a detached 4 bedroom house, subject to the usual consents. Our clients would be interested in offers on a subject to planning basis. Please note the land shown edged red on the title plan excludes the land edged green under the different title number. Contact our Woking Office for further information."

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/31999462?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6

Not the most appealing plot, alongside the main road. If you look just south of it there are many acres of empty land providing no public amenity

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=hillside,+woking&hl=en&ll=51.300013,-0.571853&spn=0.003482,0.006539&sll=51.241515,-0.565423&sspn=0.111121,0.209255&t=h&hnear=Hillside,+Woking,+Surrey,+United+Kingdom&layer=c&cbll=51.300013,-0.571853&panoid=1aATGkVqvwMunUwxlkPCaA&cbp=12,283.32,,0,-1.48&z=18

Presumably green belt, so someone will doubtless snap up this plot.

Would provide nice acoustic shielding for the houses behind (already protected by fence + leylandii hedging).

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Land for sale:

£200k

Not the most appealing plot, alongside the main road. If you look just south of it there are many acres of empty land providing no public amenity

Presumably green belt, so someone will doubtless snap up this plot.

Would provide nice acoustic shielding for the houses behind (already protected by fence + leylandii hedging).

I believe that's the currently proposed site for the Hoe Valley free school http://hoevalleyfreeschool.org/ so if that goes ahead it may be an ideal site.

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A lot of overpriced stuff coming to market now it seems.

This didn't sell in 2011 at £1.5m

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/butterfield/heathfield-close/woking/gu22-7jq/15765756

so they've painted it yellow and stuck £750k on the price

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/32082354?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6

Same agent even. Jokers.

This sold for £490k in 2010:

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/45-sandy-lane/woking/gu22-8bg/25450389

Now they are asking £630k. Certainly not worth more than £500k.

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/32079796?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6

This house http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/32079415?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6 sold in 2012 for £625k and is now on at £725k

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/30-wheatsheaf-close/horsell/woking/gu21-4bp/15741737

They claim

"The current homeowners have renovated the home throughout within the last year."

The crappy kitchen determines that this is a lie. It doesn't appear to have had any meaningful renovations at all.

This place needs a clean, and is being offered at £600k for 1300 sq ft

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/32082353?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6

Anything over £500k is too much for this.

This flat was last sold for £235k in 2006:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=43087450&sale=41230277&country=england

I see no reason to go over £250k, but they are asking £350k.

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A lot of overpriced stuff coming to market now it seems.

This didn't sell in 2011 at £1.5m

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/butterfield/heathfield-close/woking/gu22-7jq/15765756

so they've painted it yellow and stuck £750k on the price

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/32082354?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6

Same agent even. Jokers.

This sold for £490k in 2010:

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/45-sandy-lane/woking/gu22-8bg/25450389

Now they are asking £630k. Certainly not worth more than £500k.

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/32079796?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6

This house http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/32079415?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6 sold in 2012 for £625k and is now on at £725k

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/property-history/30-wheatsheaf-close/horsell/woking/gu21-4bp/15741737

They claim

"The current homeowners have renovated the home throughout within the last year."

The crappy kitchen determines that this is a lie. It doesn't appear to have had any meaningful renovations at all.

This place needs a clean, and is being offered at £600k for 1300 sq ft

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/details/32082353?search_identifier=93d254ef5e17713862325be7327ce1d6

Anything over £500k is too much for this.

This flat was last sold for £235k in 2006:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=43087450&sale=41230277&country=england

I see no reason to go over £250k, but they are asking £350k.

i am surprised you think any of them are worth 500k ?

look cheapo new builds and no more than 300k ish to me

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Yeah the messy place I went to have a peer at today. It's 33A The Grove, and I don't like it at all. There's a shared drive way to the garages at the back, and I can only assume it was knocked up 10 years ago on land from number 33, which explains that slightly out-of-place look it has about it.

It's been a conservation area since 1992, and the neighbouring properties are generally reasonably attractive. I think they've made some attempt to comply with the guidelines http://www.woking.gov.uk/planning/policy/localplan/wheatsheafcas.pdf

but it still looks nasty IMO.

In terms of valuation, it's Council Tax Band F, which tends to translate into £500k in Woking.

I wouldn't pay £500k for either of them, because they are both horrible IMO and I wouldn't waste my money. But that's the going rate I think.

£300k doesn't get you a sh*tty new-build 4-bed in Woking.

£300k gets you 3 bed

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=22464264&sale=47636258&country=england

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=22464264&sale=47636258&country=england

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=32932348&sale=47636201&country=england

If you've got the land, then knock-up a cheapo new build, sell for £500k, no problem.

Seems to be the sweet spot to me, if you want to get higher then people want lots of money spent on the finish, and/or a large plot, which you'd probably do better to knock up more cheap £500k 4-bed houses on.

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Yeah the messy place I went to have a peer at today. It's 33A The Grove, and I don't like it at all. There's a shared drive way to the garages at the back, and I can only assume it was knocked up 10 years ago on land from number 33, which explains that slightly out-of-place look it has about it.

It's been a conservation area since 1992, and the neighbouring properties are generally reasonably attractive. I think they've made some attempt to comply with the guidelines http://www.woking.gov.uk/planning/policy/localplan/wheatsheafcas.pdf

but it still looks nasty IMO.

In terms of valuation, it's Council Tax Band F, which tends to translate into £500k in Woking.

I wouldn't pay £500k for either of them, because they are both horrible IMO and I wouldn't waste my money. But that's the going rate I think.

£300k doesn't get you a sh*tty new-build 4-bed in Woking.

£300k gets you 3 bed

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=22464264&sale=47636258&country=england

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=22464264&sale=47636258&country=england

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=32932348&sale=47636201&country=england

If you've got the land, then knock-up a cheapo new build, sell for £500k, no problem.

Seems to be the sweet spot to me, if you want to get higher then people want lots of money spent on the finish, and/or a large plot, which you'd probably do better to knock up more cheap £500k 4-bed houses on.

hey i never said is was achievable for 300k at this time , but they just look cheap and cheerful to me.

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needs an extension really , but does not look that overpriced in the current climate anyway.

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