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YAY on a personal level - I hate Brown.

However, for Labour, it's as much use as changing the captain because the nanny state they want has already hit the iceberg.

Agreed,labour are doomed whoever is at the helm.

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So MPs will have their 3 month break, then some nice party seaside conferences and then get round to getting rid of him.

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Lets look at their options:

Jack Straw :lol:

David Milliband :lol::lol:

Ed Balls! :lol::lol::lol:

It would make a certain amount of sense for Gordie to be deposed in favour of a Straw/Johnson ticket. Straw/Johnson could then do the 'decent thing' and call an immediate election [after one or two policy alterations]. This would presumably be lost, but there would still be a reasonable amount of the Byzantine Empire left for guys like Cruddas, Milliband, Balls and Milburn to fight over in a true leadership contest some six months later.

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I think Brown now has the best opportunity to turn things around and has a leader you could not wish for better.

He has had a number of embassing defeats at the polls but hey he was only put in charge just over a 12mth ago and within a few months the global crdit crunch hit and to be honest no matter who was in the hot seat at the time, Tory , Lib Dem there would be little difference now.

Peoples memories are short, yes times were good under Blair for many but the world economy was good, the challenges facing Blair were totally different to those facing Brown now and Blair got out at the right time as the writing was on the wall.

Now labour are at rock bottom so for them the only way is up and as much as I do not like Brown I think he his still the man for the job and that is what worries Labour MPs the most, they know deep down nobody could do any better than Brown especially with the limited time he has had to turn things around.

Brown will be there for the next election and with people having short memories if he can somehow ease the downturn and put some true policies in place that can and will work I think by 2010 peoples views will change.

For HPC followers this is the worst possible thing that could happen, with his back against the wall Brown will come out fighting, and some of the policies may delay or ease the crash, plans will be drawn over the holidays so expect a renewed fight.

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I think Brown now has the best opportunity to turn things around and has a leader you could not wish for better.

If the Cursed Broon turns his beady eye on the property market...it'll be a 90% crash overnight! :lol:

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I think Brown now has the best opportunity to turn things around and has a leader you could not wish for better.

He has had a number of embassing defeats at the polls but hey he was only put in charge just over a 12mth ago and within a few months the global crdit crunch hit

Technically. yes. But this strange plant called blairbrownia was allowed to grow up over a number of years and nobody had the strength to cut it down. Puzzling, when we were apparently blessed with pretty straight sorta guys making really tough decisions.

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It would make a certain amount of sense for Gordie to be deposed in favour of a Straw/Johnson ticket. Straw/Johnson could then do the 'decent thing' and call an immediate election [after one or two policy alterations]. This would presumably be lost, but there would still be a reasonable amount of the Byzantine Empire left for guys like Cruddas, Milliband, Balls and Milburn to fight over in a true leadership contest some six months later.

That's the first time I've heard anything approaching a rationale for deposing Brown before an election. However, this does assume that Straw and Johnson have no longer term leadership ambitions themselves - from what I've read, I get the impression that Straw doesn't but that Johnson might.

But the question which needs to be answered by those proposing or anticipating wielding an ice pick in Brown's direction is that of who in their right mind would stand against him. Given the combination of Labour's current state and a credible opposition leader (the latter was missing in '92, making a lot of those comparisons misleading), I think we can take it as a foregone conclusion that they'll lose the next election, barring a cataclysmic and unpredictable event (e.g. revelations of Cameron being spanked by Ann Widdecombe in a concentration camp uniform, or something like that). Therefore, who would want to take over the helm of the ship with the iceberg in sight? Their long-term career prospects would be better served by making sure they get a seat in a lifeboat.

The other factor to bear in mind is the Labour party's leadership electoral system, which makes it almost impossible to depose a leader while the party is in office if he refuses to go quietly. For all these reasons I suspect that Brown will stay put until 2010, and when Labour loses the election those lining up to succeed him will try to pin the defeat on Brown personally rather than the collective party.

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Superb :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I watched that ginger bint on TV last night more or less saying the Labour party had no-one better to run the economy than Brown. Well then, step aside so the blinkin conservatives can start to put things right before it all collapses! The problem with Labour is, its populated with undereducated, power hungry proles that got in power not to help the people, but, like all tradfe unionists, to better their personal situation.

The thing about socialists is, well, they are all pretty thick. You dont generate much intellect working down a coal mine do you? There are exceptions, Tony Benn for example and believe it or not, I would also say Jack Straw. One of his own advisers mentioned to a friend that the problem is, Jack is too damn nice a bloke to ever be put into the leadership position, its a dog eat dog world out there at the top and he would struggle to survive. I still believe if Labour want to go down with dignity in the next elections, then they need to start to fess up to what they have done. And Quick. Jack would be the best person IMO to do this, as, apart from the incident with Mugabe, what exactly has he done to harm the nation?

Labour will be out for a very long time. The young generation will not vote for them, so we are talking about 20 years there before the following generations will have forgotten the mess that is about to unwind. I am quite looking forward to the Lib Dems as an opposition party!

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I think Brown now has the best opportunity to turn things around and has a leader you could not wish for better.

£1.5T says he can't. + pfi + state pensions + absurd levels of waste year on year.

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Lets look at their options:

Jack Straw :lol:

David Milliband :lol::lol:

Ed Balls! :lol::lol::lol:

Harriet Harman :lol::huh::ph34r:

I think they should go for Des Browne, because it would make the headlines really fun.

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I am quite looking forward to the Lib Dems as an opposition party!

That can only happen by default unless they lose the 'proportional representation' mantra that labels them as whining losers.

Or have I missed all the proportional representation practiced by liberal controlled councils?

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The best strategy for labour would be to oust Brown, then go to the country and lose...

then watch Cameron et al struggle with the deepest period of the recession that is coming, that way they would soon lose the excuse that 'its the economy we inherited and nothing to do with us'

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The thing about socialists is, well, they are all pretty thick. You dont generate much intellect working down a coal mine do you? There are exceptions, Tony Benn for example and believe it or not, I would also say Jack Straw.

Never heard of miners' libraries, have we? Only a naive uneducated person would claim that the life circumstances that resulted in men going down the pits were in any way a reflection of their intellect.

Oh, and about socialists being thick, I say : Tony Crosland, Roy Jenkins, Clement Attlee, Keir Hardie, Michael Foot, George Orwell, Karl Marx. Disagree with their politics, by all means, but thick they were not. Tony Benn is overrated intellectually, and had he been born without a silver spoon in his mouth he would never have got anywhere. Like many on the extreme left (and right) , he is a fantasist who indulges in idealistic rhetoric rather than argument.

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I think Brown now has the best opportunity to turn things around and has a leader you could not wish for better.

He has had a number of embassing defeats at the polls but hey he was only put in charge just over a 12mth ago and within a few months the global crdit crunch hit and to be honest no matter who was in the hot seat at the time, Tory , Lib Dem there would be little difference now.

Peoples memories are short, yes times were good under Blair for many but the world economy was good, the challenges facing Blair were totally different to those facing Brown now and Blair got out at the right time as the writing was on the wall.

Now labour are at rock bottom so for them the only way is up and as much as I do not like Brown I think he his still the man for the job and that is what worries Labour MPs the most, they know deep down nobody could do any better than Brown especially with the limited time he has had to turn things around.

Brown will be there for the next election and with people having short memories if he can somehow ease the downturn and put some true policies in place that can and will work I think by 2010 peoples views will change.

For HPC followers this is the worst possible thing that could happen, with his back against the wall Brown will come out fighting, and some of the policies may delay or ease the crash, plans will be drawn over the holidays so expect a renewed fight.

He's responsible for a massive increase in public debt. He stood by while the public took on a massive amount of debt. He claimed he was running a miracle economy when really it was all stoked up with borrowed money.

He said he was going to eliminate boom and bust, but then allowed a massive boom to get out of control.

He criticises the oil industry for not investing in extra production, but conveniently forgets that he had added extra taxes to North Sea investment a few years earlier.

He criticises the IMF for not having the mechanisms to give advance warning of the world economic problems, somehow forgetting the statements they have made about the UK and the UK housing market over the past few years.

He and TB have allowed the development of the UK's energy infrastructure to stagnate and adopted the poltically easy option of renewables to dominate. Only when the lights go out will people realise what a sham this is.

The list goes on and on. I can't believe anyone can believe he can get us out of this mess

GB is a fool, liar or hypocrit or perhaps all three. He deserves everything he has coming and I hope he suffers.

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2meterbear I agree. If I worked for the Labour Party now, I would but my Machivellian hat on say go to the polls as quick as possible. Yes, there'll be a Tory landslide and Scotland will go independent (that's kind of important if you're a Labour strategist trying to get back into power) but it would then force Cameron to deal with the worst of the recession with essentially the same economic policies as New Labour. Honeymoons don't last that long when voters are in the shit.

Labour would then have a chance to regroup and think of some policies which might actually avoid the housing led boom and bust of the past 20 odd years. But deliver them next time.

This won't happen because once in power politicians never give it up.

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