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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7522060.stm

Rising food prices are putting millions of people in East Africa at risk of severe hunger and destitution, the UK-based charity Oxfam has warned.

Successive droughts, war and poverty have put an estimated 9 to 13 million people in the region in urgent need of humanitarian assistance, it says.

The situation has been made worse by rising food prices, with wheat and rice particularly expensive.

It is the second serious drought in the region in three years, it says.

Oxfam is calling on donors to increase aid levels to the region.

The call follows another warning on Tuesday from the UN World Food Programme, saying that more than 14 million people in the Horn of Africa needed food aid because of drought and rising food and fuel prices.

"The cost of food has escalated by up to 500% in some places, leaving people who have suffered drought after drought in utter destitution," says Oxfam's Rob McNeil, who has just returned from the Somali and Afar regions of Ethiopia.

"Some of the roads we travelled on were littered with dead livestock. There is little or no pasture or water for the animals that people rely upon. People are increasingly becoming desperate.

"I saw people in one village reduced to pounding the food pellets intended for their animals into porridge to feed their families. We fear that the worst could be yet to come as the crisis deteriorates across East Africa."

Acute malnutrition

In Somalia, the cost of imported rice increased by up to 350% between the beginning of 2007 and May 2008.

In areas of Ethiopia, the price of wheat has more than doubled over a six-month period, and food prices are expected to remain high until the next harvest in October.

In the areas of east Africa heavily dependent on food imports, such as Somalia, global food price rises are making food more expensive.

* In Somalia, 2.6 million (35% of the population) require emergency assistance, Oxfam says. This could increase to half the population of the country (3.5 million) by the end of 2008. Between 18% and 24% of children are acutely malnourished

* In Ethiopia, the government estimates 4.6 million people are now in need of emergency food assistance. This has more than doubled from 2.2 million in need of help at the beginning of this year. Some 75,000 children are suffering from severe acute malnutrition in drought-stricken areas, the government says

* In Turkana, northern Kenya, an Oxfam survey showed 25% of children are suffering from acute malnutrition, the highest in the country

High malnutrition rates have been reported in several parts of Ethiopia and could increase without an immediate increase in humanitarian assistance.

“Northern unemployment is an acceptable price to pay for curbing southern inflation” Eddie George former Governor of the Bank of England

African starvation is an acceptable price to pay for curbing global inflation.

So central bankers fail to do their jobs, inflation rises people starve.

The City chases bigger and bigger profits and higher returns the poor starve. But hey at least you get your six or seven figure bonus at the end of the year. You trade on food and price it out of the reach of the poor. Fantastic.

The free market helping the poor starve to death.

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if the fed hadnt cut rates to 2% (cos it hadn't blown up too bubbles in housing and tech shares)

and if emerging economies dont peg their fx to the usdollar and accept 2% rates

then the problems would be less severe

we also need market forces to work

in some countries, price of food is going up and this should encourage farmers to produce more

but governments are forcing domestic prices down. even though input costs like oil are going up. and so farmer has no incentive to produce more. in fact, has an incentive to produce less given profitability is down

the world is messed up by hyperinflationary monetary policy

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African starvation is an acceptable price to pay for curbing global inflation.

So central bankers fail to do their jobs, inflation rises people starve.

The City chases bigger and bigger profits and higher returns the poor starve. But hey at least you get your six or seven figure bonus at the end of the year. You trade on food and price it out of the reach of the poor. Fantastic.

The free market helping the poor starve to death.

That's rubbish, the people who are at fault here are the African despots who embezzle the income and the aid to their country, they have run their place into the ground and Oxfam and friends have been helping them. Remember, no starving kiddies, no income for Oxfam.

If you give aid to Africa, you basically pay their dictators, so don't ever contribute to Oxfam or other commercial 'aid' organisations (who in their own right also exist to live comfortably off the alms and all the free labour that well-meaning dupes provide).

If the free market was allowed to operate in Africa, there would not be any of the problems there are now, but for as long as the continent stays tribal (an anathema to free markets) nothing ever will change.

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That's rubbish, the people who are at fault here are the African despots who embezzle the income and the aid to their country, they have run their place into the ground and Oxfam and friends have been helping them. Remember, no starving kiddies, no income for Oxfam.

If you give aid to Africa, you basically pay their dictators, so don't ever contribute to Oxfam or other commercial 'aid' organisations (who in their own right also exist to live comfortably off the alms and all the free labour that well-meaning dupes provide).

If the free market was allowed to operate in Africa, there would not be any of the problems there are now, but for as long as the continent stays tribal (an anathema to free markets) nothing ever will change.

So despots have made the rain stop???

Doesn't mother nature like evil despots? Until Africa gets rid of the dictators the rain will not fall. As soon as the despots fall the sky's will open???

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So despots have made the rain stop???

Doesn't mother nature like evil despots? Until Africa gets rid of the dictators the rain will not fall. As soon as the despots fall the sky's will open???

No rain is one problem. No justice, no accountability, no rights, no education, no infrastructure, no nothing quite another. Not to mention the endemic corruption.

Zimbabwe doesn't suffer from no rain, it suffers from Mugabe, and in turn the rest of Africa suffers because the breadbasket is now empty.

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Africa is doomed to failure if it can't get a domestic market off the ground. How, if you're a local, can you invest in farming if hand-wringing do-gooders keep doling out free food and the West props up the Kleptocracy?

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I don't deny that African leaders have contributed to the mess in Africa, Zim is the prime example of what happens when the lunatic takes charge.

So why blame people thousands of miles away who probably have never been in Africa? Leave the city guys alone, they probably do more for Africa than Oxfam anyway, simply by providing a free and fair commodities market for their goods. The world does not owe Africa a living, Africans owe it to themselves to get their act together.

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They were doing "alright" with no government, the reports on people living on less than a $ a day, telephones per 1,000 population etc were better than the West African average and rising without a central government

Then Bush got worried terrorists were using it as a sanctuary so provided intelligence to Ethiopia (which Somalia failed to invade before, Russia had supplied both sides with weapons and cut Somalia off after that) So Ethiopia invaded and in the markets started stealing all the rice, the black market guards (black market is the largest employer), a sort of army, fought back and forced the Ethiopians to the palace. Bush sent cruise missile strikes into the south but just blew up some civilians so they started protesting.

The "transitional government" employed Somalis as guards (or gave teenagers ak-47s), didn't pay them for months so the teenagers started stealing from the people and the government stole from the people.

There are militas shelling each other across a neighbourhood, 10 year olds throwing grenades about and half the ex war lords were given army positions.

The CIA were paying local officials to take down the Islamists, but now people are defecting back to the "terrorist" groups because they are more stable than the transitional government.

Fascinating place , a study in what happens if you try to run a country without a government , other governments come in and try to create one. Suprised Injin hasn't written thesis on it.

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Leave the city guys alone, they probably do more for Africa than Oxfam anyway, simply by providing a free and fair commodities market for their goods. The world does not owe Africa a living, Africans owe it to themselves to get their act together.

What by pricing food out of their reach??? That helps them how exactly?? Apart from the ability to starve to death.

Perhaps they could have a starvation as a Olympic sport the winner is the one who dies first.

Part of the reason why they are so poor is because we made them poor during the European empire age, whilst we got rich at their expense.

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They were doing "alright" with no government, the reports on people living on less than a $ a day, telephones per 1,000 population etc were better than the West African average and rising without a central government

Then Bush got worried terrorists were using it as a sanctuary so provided intelligence to Ethiopia (which Somalia failed to invade before, Russia had supplied both sides with weapons and cut Somalia off after that) So Ethiopia invaded and in the markets started stealing all the rice, the black market guards (black market is the largest employer), a sort of army, fought back and forced the Ethiopians to the palace. Bush sent cruise missile strikes into the south but just blew up some civilians so they started protesting.

The "transitional government" employed Somalis as guards (or gave teenagers ak-47s), didn't pay them for months so the teenagers started stealing from the people and the government stole from the people.

There are militas shelling each other across a neighbourhood, 10 year olds throwing grenades about and half the ex war lords were given army positions.

The CIA were paying local officials to take down the Islamists, but now people are defecting back to the "terrorist" groups because they are more stable than the transitional government.

Fascinating place , a study in what happens if you try to run a country without a government , other governments come in and try to create one. Suprised Injin hasn't written thesis on it.

So the country was working until Bush decided to get involved and help by creating a stable govt!!!

The CIA know how to bring stability, look at the success they have had in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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They were doing "alright" with no government, the reports on people living on less than a $ a day, telephones per 1,000 population etc were better than the West African average and rising without a central government

Then Bush got worried terrorists were using it as a sanctuary so provided intelligence to Ethiopia (which Somalia failed to invade before, Russia had supplied both sides with weapons and cut Somalia off after that) So Ethiopia invaded and in the markets started stealing all the rice, the black market guards (black market is the largest employer), a sort of army, fought back and forced the Ethiopians to the palace. Bush sent cruise missile strikes into the south but just blew up some civilians so they started protesting.

The "transitional government" employed Somalis as guards (or gave teenagers ak-47s), didn't pay them for months so the teenagers started stealing from the people and the government stole from the people.

There are militas shelling each other across a neighbourhood, 10 year olds throwing grenades about and half the ex war lords were given army positions.

The CIA were paying local officials to take down the Islamists, but now people are defecting back to the "terrorist" groups because they are more stable than the transitional government.

Fascinating place , a study in what happens if you try to run a country without a government , other governments come in and try to create one. Suprised Injin hasn't written thesis on it.

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What by pricing food out of their reach??? That helps them how exactly?? Apart from the ability to starve to death.

Perhaps they could have a starvation as a Olympic sport the winner is the one who dies first.

Part of the reason why they are so poor is because we made them poor during the European empire age, whilst we got rich at their expense.

The city guys don't 'price' nothing, they run the market, that is all. Remember, that Africa also sells on this market, and I cannot see African farmers being happy with having to take a discount because their African brothers cannot afford their goods.

As for the empire being guilty, I'm sorry but those people are all dead, and in any case, most of us are descended from landless peasants, the last thrall was released in Europe in 1830. So don't pin this guilt trip on us, no-one here has ever oppressed anyone, let alone ripped them off.

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That's rubbish, the people who are at fault here are the African despots who embezzle the income and the aid to their country, they have run their place into the ground and Oxfam and friends have been helping them. Remember, no starving kiddies, no income for Oxfam.

If you give aid to Africa, you basically pay their dictators, so don't ever contribute to Oxfam or other commercial 'aid' organisations (who in their own right also exist to live comfortably off the alms and all the free labour that well-meaning dupes provide).

If the free market was allowed to operate in Africa, there would not be any of the problems there are now, but for as long as the continent stays tribal (an anathema to free markets) nothing ever will change.

Famine is not caused by dictators, oxfam or markets, Actaully a free market would be bad in this case as it would enable to food that should be staying in the region to leave.
Leave the city guys alone, they probably do more for Africa than Oxfam anyway, simply by providing a free and fair commodities market for their goods. The world does not owe Africa a living, Africans owe it to themselves to get their act together.

The west bears a large part of the problems in africa through supporting corrupt dictators and blocking access to our markets. I've a hunch you know f**k all about africa.

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So the country was working until Bush decided to get involved and help by creating a stable govt!!!

The CIA know how to bring stability, look at the success they have had in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Could have been anyone with a few million dollars, they do have cool battles though

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7494904.stm 8th July 2008

A military official said insurgents armed with rocket-propelled grenades and machine guns had been fought off with anti-aircraft guns at checkpoints in the north and south of the city.

Independent paper from just before the latest US/Ethiopian/UN (no soldiers sent) invasion.

Somalia After State Collapse: Chaos or Improvement?

http://www.independent.org/pdf/working_papers/64_somalia.pdf

Edit: added title

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The city guys don't 'price' nothing, they run the market, that is all. Remember, that Africa also sells on this market, and I cannot see African farmers being happy with having to take a discount because their African brothers cannot afford their goods.

As for the empire being guilty, I'm sorry but those people are all dead, and in any case, most of us are descended from landless peasants, the last thrall was released in Europe in 1830. So don't pin this guilt trip on us, no-one here has ever oppressed anyone, let alone ripped them off.

African Dictators are indeed reponsible for poor food distribution and appalling exploitation of their own people. I don't think anyone would dispute that. But the sudden increase in the price of food is not due to sudden droughts, or the combine harvesters in the world breaking down, or any particular shortage that wasn't there already. It is the shifting of speculative cash out of property the world over, into food and commodity futures. It is this that has more than any other factor pushed the price of food sky high. And for this the city of London, and other markets, are as guilty as sin.

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So despots have made the rain stop???

Doesn't mother nature like evil despots? Until Africa gets rid of the dictators the rain will not fall. As soon as the despots fall the sky's will open???

You are quite right to point out that dictators aren't responsible for drought, but then again I don't see how you can pin it so squarely on those working in the City either.

I don't dispute that capitalist powerbrokers have contributed to many of Africa's worst deprivations, but certainly if the despots had invested what resources their nations had at their disposal more wisely, population growth might have been managed better and food more plentiful.

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High food prices could be the saviour of Ethiopia. When I've been there I've been impressed by their agricultural skills. From the air a lot of the country is a dense patchwork of fields - looks a little like Devon. Unfortunately, for the last decade or so lots of people have been leaving the land because of cheap imported food and aid undercutting them. It's really heartbreaking to see these old farmers arriving on the streets of Addis looking for work. They're fit for nothing apart from farming, which they seem to be very good at (judging by their cattle, coffee and t'ef-stacks). Hopefully high prices will see them going back to the land to do what they're good at. A bit of education, technology and foreign money (I met some Israelis who are growing flowers on a massive commercial basis out there) could see them becoming something of a bread basket. Perhaps I'm just optimistic, but the Ethiopian people are lovely and deserve a break. I'd thoroughly recommend it for a holiday, particularly if you like history, outdoor pursuits or wildlife watching.

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African Dictators are indeed reponsible for poor food distribution and appalling expoitation of their own people. I don't think anyone would dispute that. But the sudden increase in the price of food is not due to sudden droughts, or the combine harvesters in the world breaking down, or any particular shortage that wasn't there already. It is the shifting of speculative cash out of property the world over, into food and commodity futures. It is this that has more than any other factor pushed the price of food sky high. And for this the city of London, and other markets, are as guilty as sin.

Aha, so you really hate the idea that African farmers get more money for their food on the world market now?

Are you suggesting we should close the commodities market in food? Compulsory purchase order for farmer's produce, which then can be offered at a discount most likely below cost-price?

I'm sure that Kenia's export farmers will love this idea (not), so will the rest of the farmers in the region.

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All my life Africans have been begging for money from the white man, can`t recall the Chinese ever lying around whinging.

But they certainly starved to death by the millions.

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Please, everyone, do not look at the man behind the curtain.

Biofuels are food, burning food in a car has the same effect on the human food supply as burning food in a furnace, or burning down a granary, burning crops in the fields, killing farmers, salting fields or any of the other methods that have been used in the past to engineer a genocide through starvation.

Stalins crimes, and the deaths he caused were mainly to do with engineered famines. Famines engineered to get people into the new Soviet system. I predict that in the years to come that the number of people to die from completely avoidable famine will be so large as to make Stalins crimes look like a children's tea party.

If the look at the situation with what is happening to the actual food you will see that various governments are mandating that food be burnt in portable incinerators (biofuels in cars).

But if you follow the distraction, ignore what is happening to the food itself, believe the official story, and look over there >>>>>>>>>>>>

You see speculators, and dumb blacks

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