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Why isnĀ“t this story on TV or in the papers?

Possibly because anything associated with Alex Jones appears to be fiction?

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Possibly because anything associated with Alex Jones appears to be fiction?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/kucinich.impeach/

Kucinich introduces Bush impeachment resolution

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, a former Democratic presidential candidate from Ohio, introduced a resolution to impeach President Bush into the House of Representatives on Tuesday.

Kucinich announced his intention to seek Bush's impeachment Monday night, when he read the lengthy document into the record.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has repeatedly said she would not support a resolution calling for Bush's impeachment, saying such a move was unlikely to succeed and would be divisive.

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Possibly because anything associated with Alex Jones appears to be fiction?

Alex Jones is far more accurate that ANY news agency.

Like him or loathe him he ATTEMPTS to put forward well researched news in depth.

...edit:

in fact my only criticism of him is that he doesnt cover the sport or weather.

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Possibly because anything associated with Alex Jones appears to be fiction?

Interesting view. Have you got any evidence that any of his stories are fiction? Personally, I have found out much more about what's really happening in America from his website, than from corporate media.

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Alex Jones is far more accurate that ANY news agency.

Like him or loathe him he ATTEMPTS to put forward well researched news in depth.

...edit:

in fact my only criticism of him is that he doesnt cover the sport or weather.

He does have a rather irritating habit of interrupting callers,for a programme that is supposed to be the bastion of free speech,it would be polite to let his callers finish their comments.

Having said that,his discussions are a feck of a lot more interesting and accurate than the endless brainwashing/propaganda in the mainstream.

I don't agree with all of his opinions,but that's what democracy is...sometimes we have differences,it's right and proper that all views are brought to the table.

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Interesting view. Have you got any evidence that any of his stories are fiction? Personally, I have found out much more about what's really happening in America from his website, than from corporate media.

Thank you. I chose my words carefully: "Possibly because anything associated with Alex Jones appears to be fiction?"

It comes down to credibility. Few people are 100% right all the time - but it helps when you don't shout about outrageous things that are beyond belief which you can't prove.

I'd never reference Alex Jones because, in my opinion, his support for outlandish 9/11 conspiracies mar every other topic he broaches.

Sure he mentions many interesting topics, but - unless these ideas can be re-packed in an Alex Jones/Infowars free package - they are likely to be dismissed without consideration.

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Thank you. I chose my words carefully: "Possibly because anything associated with Alex Jones appears to be fiction?"

It comes down to credibility. Few people are 100% right all the time - but it helps when you don't shout about outrageous things that are beyond belief which you can't prove.

I'd never reference Alex Jones because, in my opinion, his support for outlandish 9/11 conspiracies mar every other topic he broaches.

Sure he mentions many interesting topics, but - unless these ideas can be re-packed in an Alex Jones/Infowars free package - they are likely to be dismissed without consideration.

Looking at your usual posts, I am surprised you see it this way. Alex Jones can be very irritating, especially with his description of almost any revelation as "massive", but no intelligent person now accepts the conventional story about 9/11, and indeed hundreds of blue chip architects and engineers have now formed an alliance totally rejecting the official narrative. The 9/11 alternative views are not conspiracies. This is a lame term used to describe almost anything which happens to be different from what you see on Fox News, and a lazy excuse for complacency. It is true there are some quite whacky theories about 9/11 and a host of other issues, but that does not mean what you are served up by, among others, the BBC, is true. But I think you have already acknowledged that in previous posts.

Give Alex Jones a try. I'm sure you are smart enough to filter out the dross from the quite compelling stuff there which is worth a look.

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Thank you. I chose my words carefully: "Possibly because anything associated with Alex Jones appears to be fiction?"

It comes down to credibility. Few people are 100% right all the time - but it helps when you don't shout about outrageous things that are beyond belief which you can't prove.

I'd never reference Alex Jones because, in my opinion, his support for outlandish 9/11 conspiracies mar every other topic he broaches.

Sure he mentions many interesting topics, but - unless these ideas can be re-packed in an Alex Jones/Infowars free package - they are likely to be dismissed without consideration.

So was ghandi.

and as he said,the truth is still the truth,even if you are in a minority of one.

the media have certainly become very biased in many areas,with publicity denial and/or demonisation of topics/individuals.

Plus property porn propaganda.

it's all VERY unhealthy for what we wish to see as a "free" society.

they really are behaving like the spanish inquisition,and it has to be dealt with.

if we were taken into wars upon a false pretext then the perpatrators must be punished.If it's for self defence or that of our allies then it's fair game.However if the real motive is pure greed of a few people,then what goes around comes around,and we are going to pay for it......no free lunch.

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Looking at your usual posts, I am surprised you see it this way. Alex Jones can be very irritating, especially with his description of almost any revelation as "massive", but no intelligent person now accepts the conventional story about 9/11, and indeed hundreds of blue chip architects and engineers have now formed an alliance totally rejecting the official narrative. The 9/11 alternative views are not conspiracies. This is a lame term used to describe almost anything which happens to be different from what you see on Fox News, and a lazy excuse for complacency. It is true there are some quite whacky theories about 9/11 and a host of other issues, but that does not mean what you are served up by, among others, the BBC, is true. But I think you have already acknowledged that in previous posts.

Give Alex Jones a try. I'm sure you are smart enough to filter out the dross from the quite compelling stuff there which is worth a look.

I don't think I am being inconsistent. I believe that there were multiple conspiracies that lead to 9/11 and multiple conspiracies thereafter. The fact that I seriously doubt the veracity of the offical account of anything by any authority does not mean, however, that I am credulous and wish to be associated with any trumped-up gibberish arrived at by the obsessed when afflicted by chronic narrative delusion. Alex Jones undermines any revelation by treating every statement as being equally plausible... and having a far weaker expectation that non-conventional views should be verifiable.

The thing I found utterly infuriating about the InfoWars material was that it was always a better story than it was credible. There was always more that was wrong than right about the presentation - which always aims for sensationalism over verifiable fact. As fiction it is awesome - as a news source it is beyond awful... about as worthwhile as the sensationalist claptrap about UFOs in the 80s when the masses expected, at any moment, to be probed by ET in an encounter of the first-kind.

Sure, I think Bush is dangerous and prejudiced - a President who made some awful decisions... but so was Clinton. (It was Clinton that signed the Gramm Leach Bliley that I consider the most significant legislation in the recent banking debacle - for example.) Maybe we just have to accept that "democratic" leaders are fallible, deeply flawed opportunists.

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I don't think I am being inconsistent. I believe that there were multiple conspiracies that lead to 9/11 and multiple conspiracies thereafter. The fact that I seriously doubt the veracity of the offical account of anything by any authority does not mean, however, that I am credulous and wish to be associated with any trumped-up gibberish arrived at by the obsessed when afflicted by chronic narrative delusion. Alex Jones undermines any revelation by treating every statement as being equally plausible... and having a far weaker expectation that non-conventional views should be verifiable.

The thing I found utterly infuriating about the InfoWars material was that it was always a better story than it was credible. There was always more that was wrong than right about the presentation - which always aims for sensationalism over verifiable fact. As fiction it is awesome - as a news source it is beyond awful... about as worthwhile as the sensationalist claptrap about UFOs in the 80s when the masses expected, at any moment, to be probed by ET in an encounter of the first-kind.

Sure, I think Bush is dangerous and prejudiced - a President who made some awful decisions... but so was Clinton. (It was Clinton that signed the Gramm Leach Bliley that I consider the most significant legislation in the recent banking debacle - for example.) Maybe we just have to accept that "democratic" leaders are fallible, deeply flawed opportunists.

Again, I think you are too intelligent to take a position where everything, de facto, presented by Alex Jones is nonsense. As with ALL information, it is the receiver's duty to critically filter and assess what is offered, but it seems to me that you are letting his presentational style prejudice you against even the occasional snippet which rings true. I never suggested that one should suspend critical faculties just because one is assessing an alternative view.

You will also recognise a phenomenon that is quite worrying in the last 30 years or so. That phenonemon is too often repeated to be discarded out of hand.:- today's "conspiracy" theory is very often tommorow's conventional news. I realise having said this that an awful lot of conspiracy theories have been proved complete nonsense. Again, it is so important to intelligently filter the information available. But in favour of the more credible "conspiracies" let's just take a handful:

Until the last gasps of the "Watergate" affair, every single U.S corporation, institution, government official and 90% of newspapers and broadcasters wrote off Woodward and Bernstein's stories about Watergate until the evidence was utterly indisputable. This was the mother of all "conspiracy" theories until suddenly it appeared legit.

Now let's look at Vietnam. I distinctly remember that even just months before the US withdrew from Vietnam, army personnel who protested were written off as drug-induced revolutionaries. The courageous souls who risked arrest and vilification for protesting against one of the most pointless wars in history were ostracised and marginalised just weeks before the whole world suddenly realised that they were right all along.

Let's look at the "45 minute" official build up to the invasion of Iraq. Those who questioned this story were almost universally slagged off as being upatriotic and idealistic. Again they were proven absolutely right in their stance, and that stance could be described as a "conspiracy" theory until the whole WMS myth was blown apart.

Now let's get more up to date. The day Charles Menezes was murdered on the instructions of a paranoid and out of touch Police Commissioner, the ENTIRE press and the BBC, ITV and even Channel 4 utterly supported the official narrative in assesssing this appalling event in UK history. Even after weeks, concerted efforts to tell a different story by a minority of alarmed and independent commentators were written off as nonsense. It emerge several months later that everything they said was utterly true, and that the whole episode was a litany of incompetence, lies and deceit.

How many more examples do you want?

What the last 30 years has taught me is to be cautious but not closed to ANY theory which challenges the official one. Provided you pay the same CRITICAL and DISINTERESTED attention to all theories there is no harm in them. What I am totally convinced of, is that you can bet your bottom dollar that any "official" version of a significant or tragic event is almost bound to be a complete and utter lie. By default, I DISBELIEVE almost everything all world governments say about significant events about which they have a vested interest to protect themselves from truths which compromise them.

This is not the position of someone who is terminally cynical. It is a position arrived at through experience. By the same token, I do not gratuitously believe everything I'm told by Alex Jones, but let's leave him out of it. He has become a portal through which other far more able and credible people occasionally reveal things which, on further examination, often have more authenticity about them than the rubbish we are fed daily by the platitudes of establishment institutions.

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The thing I found utterly infuriating about the InfoWars material was that it was always a better story than it was credible. There was always more that was wrong than right about the presentation - which always aims for sensationalism over verifiable fact. As fiction it is awesome - as a news source it is beyond awful... about as worthwhile as the sensationalist claptrap about UFOs in the 80s when the masses expected, at any moment, to be probed by ET in an encounter of the first-kind.

actually,you need to watch the iron mountain video on google.

.the UFO stuff may not be so far fetched.

hitler was looking at vril power back in the 1940's,how much further do you think things have progressed in 70 years.

given that military technology spawns what modern society does a generation later....the net was born in the 1960's!!!

...sometimes in military terms,one has to keep a little powder dry.

any coincidence that crop circled were fairly basic when they first appeared on the 70's,but became A LOT more complex of late???

...evolution of the directed energy/scanning technology???

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Alex Jones is far more accurate that ANY news agency.

Like him or loathe him he ATTEMPTS to put forward well researched news in depth.

...edit:

in fact my only criticism of him is that he doesnt cover the sport or weather.

Interesting political stuff - 9/11 and all that - but he's dead wrong on global warming and peak oil.

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search for aliens on google news and second story down is one about the astronaut. says 6 stories but now links through to only two. Is that a d notice in the air?

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Interesting political stuff - 9/11 and all that - but he's dead wrong on global warming and peak oil.

AJ doent make stuff up. he quotes government scientific and think tank documents.

global warming is more and more discredited as each day passes.

and peak oil is simply not proven. have you heard of prudhoe bay for example?

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So was ghandi.

and as he said,the truth is still the truth,even if you are in a minority of one.

the media have certainly become very biased in many areas,with publicity denial and/or demonisation of topics/individuals.

Plus property porn propaganda.

it's all VERY unhealthy for what we wish to see as a "free" society.

they really are behaving like the spanish inquisition,and it has to be dealt with.

if we were taken into wars upon a false pretext then the perpatrators must be punished.If it's for self defence or that of our allies then it's fair game.However if the real motive is pure greed of a few people,then what goes around comes around,and we are going to pay for it......no free lunch.

but we do have a free society.

kids are free to give us a kicking and we can't hit back

The councils are free to treat UK citizens like robots and if we disobey we get punished

The government are free to tax us on everything, even things we did years ago (like buy a car)

We are free to be slaves.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I just saw a famous formula 1 star on youtube...he accidentally knocked a kid down, turned and saw the kid fallen, and walked on..........clealry could not have cared less.....

We worship these scummies......We are free to do that.

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AJ doent make stuff up. he quotes government scientific and think tank documents.

global warming is more and more discredited as each day passes.

and so it should be,because it is quite frankly b0ll0cks.

the think-tanks are the people that should be targetted for disposal,NOT the politicians.

Anyway,wrt global warming:

we are approaching the end of several cycles.

..the age cycle of the zodiac.....every 2300 years.

..and the full rotation of the zodiac within the galactic cycle...once every 26000 years.

wheels within wheels,just like the bible says.

when we go through centre,we will have a total collapse of the magnetic field,and tectonic activity like we have never before seen.The last one of these was 13000 years ago...and coincided with the destruction of atlantis.There's plenty of proof of old civilisation being submerged now,so the resultant pole shift is really pretty normal in earth terms,just cataclysmic for us.

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AJ doent make stuff up. he quotes government scientific and think tank documents.

global warming is more and more discredited as each day passes.

and peak oil is simply not proven. have you heard of prudhoe bay for example?

The thing is we get so much spin it's hard to know who to beleive when it comes to global warming and peak oil.

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in fact my only criticism of [Alex Jones] is that he doesnt cover the sport or weather.

I wish the BBC would follow his lead.

I think that sport is irrelevant and thoroughly banal, but when it is juxtaposed with real news on BBC News 24, sport is revealed as being truly (and laughably) trivial.

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I am very sceptical of Alex Jones ever since the shocking fact error in "Terrorstorm".

My favourite conspiracy/alternative narratives sites are What Really Happened and Information Clearing House.

However, I share the same utter cynicism and despair of many posters about the mainstream media and its unfailing ability to miss a story or investigate inconsistencies.

Re 9/11 - who know who did it, but it sure wasn't Al Qaeda on its own, that much I am sure of.

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I am very sceptical of Alex Jones ever since the shocking fact error in "Terrorstorm".

My favourite conspiracy/alternative narratives sites are What Really Happened and Information Clearing House.

However, I share the same utter cynicism and despair of many posters about the mainstream media and its unfailing ability to miss a story or investigate inconsistencies.

Re 9/11 - who know who did it, but it sure wasn't Al Qaeda on its own, that much I am sure of.

Yeah i love mike rivero too. very good humor.

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk is another good site.

also like jeff rense but he tends to wander into UFOs paranormal etc.

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Again, I think you are too intelligent to take a position where everything, de facto, presented by Alex Jones is nonsense. As with ALL information, it is the receiver's duty to critically filter and assess what is offered, but it seems to me that you are letting his presentational style prejudice you against even the occasional snippet which rings true.

Not at all, I just prefer sources with a superior signal to noise ratio. If I don't pay attention to Alex Jones, I can't bias myself against his ideas because I think he talks a lot of codswollop - in so doing, I am critically filtering and assessing what is offered.

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