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Wages And No.of Jobs For Contract Project Managers

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I was looking at reed.co.uk and their market index. The number of jobs and the salary has fallen off a cliff in late 2007 early 2008 about the same time as housing.

As a contract project manager I feel like I am ready for a game of musical chairs.

Anyone else have the same woes?

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I was looking at reed.co.uk and their market index. The number of jobs and the salary has fallen off a cliff in late 2007 early 2008 about the same time as housing.

As a contract project manager I feel like I am ready for a game of musical chairs.

Anyone else have the same woes?

Yup in accountancy we had the same thing except without the increase in the middle, everybody is dead chummy to the polish girlie who is ' helping out' downstairs , not realising she is on min wage, and is therefore a threat to everybody

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Yup in accountancy we had the same thing except without the increase in the middle, everybody is dead chummy to the polish girlie who is ' helping out' downstairs , not realising she is on min wage, and is therefore a threat to everybody

I'm getting daily calls from agencys who appear to be more intersted in mining intelillgence on potential oppurtunities for work rather than offering me work.

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I was looking at reed.co.uk and their market index. The number of jobs and the salary has fallen off a cliff in late 2007 early 2008 about the same time as housing.

As a contract project manager I feel like I am ready for a game of musical chairs.

Anyone else have the same woes?

seem to be plenty of jobs on jobserve still at good rates - personally wouldn't touch reed with a long pole - they are better at employing secretarial staff

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seem to be plenty of jobs on jobserve still at good rates - personally wouldn't touch reed with a long pole - they are better at employing secretarial staff

If anything specialised construction management work seems to be recovering at the moment. I think the last year or so has been a bit of a design phase with a fair bit now moving to site (non-housing obviously). I am certainly getting an upturn in agencies ringing through for construction risk management and similar, and a noticeable up-tick in rates.

Crossrail got the royal assent yesterday, the Olympics should be moving out of the mud into real concrete soon, and there are an awful lot of Metronet pieces to pick up and put back together. London is the only place to be in construction for the next three or four years, even with the housing collapse, I predict an ongoing shortage of decent PMs in London.

Jobsite is the place to register and search.

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This is in no way a criticism of contract project managers. However....

The account I'm working on has been running for 11 years, I've been there for four - in this time I've worked for a lot of PMs. The best project managers are the ones with 'site knowledge' - they understand how their project will impact some obscure project managed by another department not directly related, and how it will impact the customer, how the customer will see the work etc. People who have been around the longest tend to have that info, and that tends not to be the contractors as they move around a lot whenever someone else offers 99p/hour more. Maybe senior management are beginning to realize this?

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Engineering project management roles abound. Of course you need to be an engineer first before a project manager for these positions. I was offered £200 an hour 4 months ago to finish a project 6 months behind schedule and over budget. Needed someone who understood the issues and then could kick ass to get it finished. Contract was for nearly 14 months (estimated). Up in Aberdeen.

As it is we (project managers in my office) are trying to negotiate more accountability and authority within our company are demanding fundamental changes are to take place. We are probably going to get it too.

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Engineering project management roles abound. Of course you need to be an engineer first before a project manager for these positions. I was offered £200 an hour 4 months ago to finish a project 6 months behind schedule and over budget. Needed someone who understood the issues and then could kick ass to get it finished. Contract was for nearly 14 months (estimated). Up in Aberdeen.

As it is we (project managers in my office) are trying to negotiate more accountability and authority within our company are demanding fundamental changes are to take place. We are probably going to get it too.

£200 an hour...your speaking rubbish....£400,000 a year that works out too...!!!

They could have brought in 4 to project mangers or another project manager and 3 resources so seems very fictional..(if its true...I want the job or to be that PMs friend..and if a girl..ill marry her!!

But yes if your going technical I.e. oil. then being an engineer before PM is normally in job spec

PS: Im PM in aberdeen too but not engineer background.

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£200 an hour...your speaking rubbish....£400,000 a year that works out too...!!!

They could have brought in 4 to project mangers or another project manager and 3 resources so seems very fictional..(if its true...I want the job or to be that PMs friend..and if a girl..ill marry her!!

But yes if your going technical I.e. oil. then being an engineer before PM is normally in job spec

PS: Im PM in aberdeen too but not engineer background.

Would you want to recover a project that is so far behind you are more than likely going to end up working 80 hours a week? Me neither and I suggested to the friend who mentioned I should go for the position; exactley the same advice you did. It was a classic case of a PM quitting through lack of resources leading up to the crisis and not enough time/money to crash it back on track; ie the accountants were throwing money at the wrong end as usual.

Edit : The job was filled in the end with 3 PM's each with 2 PM asisstants. Project still going to be over 6 months late with delay costing the firm approx £2m a month. Still by going with the cheapest tender it worked out great didn't it :wacko:

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Would you want to recover a project that is so far behind you are more than likely going to end up working 80 hours a week? Me neither and I suggested to the friend who mentioned I should go for the position; exactley the same advice you did. It was a classic case of a PM quitting through lack of resources leading up to the crisis and not enough time/money to crash it back on track; ie the accountants were throwing money at the wrong end as usual.

Edit : The job was filled in the end with 3 PM's each with 2 PM asisstants. Project still going to be over 6 months late with delay costing the firm approx £2m a month. Still by going with the cheapest tender it worked out great didn't it :wacko:

Lol, you should have taken the job after all..

Was it a drilling job or something?? deepsea? construction? sounds wierd they couldnt bring it back throwing money at it.

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Engineering project management roles abound. Of course you need to be an engineer first before a project manager for these positions. I was offered £200 an hour 4 months ago to finish a project 6 months behind schedule and over budget. Needed someone who understood the issues and then could kick ass to get it finished. Contract was for nearly 14 months (estimated). Up in Aberdeen.

As it is we (project managers in my office) are trying to negotiate more accountability and authority within our company are demanding fundamental changes are to take place. We are probably going to get it too.

IMO the risk of giving PM's too much of authority is that the project starts to run itself, i've seen it happen a few times and it always costs the company hugely. I'm speaking from experience in the IT industry, your industry may be different however, but i suspect not.

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Lol, you should have taken the job after all..

Was it a drilling job or something?? deepsea? construction? sounds wierd they couldnt bring it back throwing money at it.

The PM job would have been nothing but firefighting, I had enough of that in London. It was subsea but not in the North Sea despite being run from Aberdeen. Throwing money only can buy you so much resources, what you have to remember is that lot of the stuff offshore is constrained by who can manufacture the equipment, their order book, and in some cases if you can book ultra heavy lift crane barges for when you need them, getting them to sail onto location etc. Everyone wonders why wages can be sky high in O&G but the reality is the world is addicted to it. Does that make me a dealer???

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