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What measures should your profession be taking to realistically ensure that the country keeps running?

I've heard nothing about contigency planning for supply shocks in medicine.

I've been considering how to substitute medications if those 'gold standard' treatments become unavailable.

I'm sure healthcare trusts have planned for this scenario??

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What measures should your profession be taking to realistically ensure that the country keeps running?

I'm sure healthcare trusts have planned for this scenario??

Yes, just look how much they've future-proofed the training of tomorrow's doctors.....

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What measures should your profession be taking to realistically ensure that the country keeps running?

I've heard nothing about contigency planning for supply shocks in medicine.

I've been considering how to substitute medications if those 'gold standard' treatments become unavailable.

I'm sure healthcare trusts have planned for this scenario??

This is a question I don't need to worry about.

I work in testing financial software.

My job sector is relevant to nobody and notwithstanding the taxes I pay, I am a mosquito on the ass of a hyena.

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When I was in Miami for one of the last big hurricanes, the way that the government responded was really eye-opening.

Since they can plot the storms there was a good bit of warning, so there were a few days for people to stock up/try to leave etc.

EVERYTHING was gone from the local Walmart within a few days. That actually scared me more than anything, just row after row of empty shelves (foodwise and supply related, there were still plenty of toys clothes TVs etc).

So many people were trying to leave at once that the governor (Jeb Bush) had to come on to tell people that There was nowhere for them to go to, all of the highways were packed, and hotels motels etc were long since booked.

he also stated that if you got into a car accident or something trying to leave, that you would probably just DIE since there would not be sending out any emergency services since they were holding them all in reserve for the storm.

really, his basic advice boiled down to Stay in your home and PRAY lol.

all of the tourists assumed that there would be some kind of shelters or something for people that didn't have the necessities to weather the storm, but all shelters together in the Miami area only had room for something tiny like 20,000 people out of a population of 8 million? and those were full in the early days.

If something ever did happen to disrupt normal transportation and services, I wouldn't count on the local gov to be able to help you.

Even if they had enough food/water/medicine/shelter/heat/hygeine products etc, to mobilize delivery of that much stuff would take weeks.

And in the meantime things would likely be very unpleasant.

many of the people that were actually prepared (Generators, food/water, storm proofed housing etc) were all having little parties etc with family and friends (like a big indoor hurricane barbeque), making it pretty clear which group I'd rather be in.

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Yes, just look how much they've future-proofed the training of tomorrow's doctors.....

Quite.

I predict that we'll see a reversal of 'gold standard' expansion of targets and newer treatments with ever diminishing returns.

Are protocol driven doctors the best to show adaptive behaviour in changing economic environments?

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What measures should your profession be taking to realistically ensure that the country keeps running?

I've heard nothing about contigency planning for supply shocks in medicine.

I've been considering how to substitute medications if those 'gold standard' treatments become unavailable.

I'm sure healthcare trusts have planned for this scenario??

I think you'll find that plenty of planning has been done, but it's just for those "insiders" who are the current elite. They will have nicely stocked bunkers will everything you can dream of. Gold syringes and the like I would imagine.

Everyone else can die in a fire, of course.

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and speaking of readiness for disasters etc, that all didn't work out too well for New Orleans did it?

hopefully British prudence and planning are a few notches higher.

but I wouldn't bet on it :lol:

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I think you'll find that plenty of planning has been done, but it's just for those "insiders" who are the current elite. They will have nicely stocked bunkers will everything you can dream of. Gold syringes and the like I would imagine.

Everyone else can die in a fire, of course.

Haha. I've not heard anything yet. I dare say there are bunkers somewhere.

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Quite.

I predict that we'll see a reversal of 'gold standard' expansion of targets and newer treatments with ever diminishing returns.

Are protocol driven doctors the best to show adaptive behaviour in changing economic environments?

Obviously not. :(

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and speaking of readiness for disasters etc, that all didn't work out too well for New Orleans did it?hopefully British prudence and planning are a few notches higher.but I wouldn't bet on it  :lol:
You mean like Tewkesbury and Hull in last year's floods? :o

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This is a question I don't need to worry about.

I work in testing financial software.

My job sector is relevant to nobody and notwithstanding the taxes I pay, I am a mosquito on the ass of a hyena.

Ok if I mark you down as 'emergency foodstuff' ?

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I predict that we'll see a reversal of 'gold standard' expansion of targets and newer treatments with ever diminishing returns.

Are protocol driven doctors the best to show adaptive behaviour in changing economic environments?

No. And protocol-driven "Nurse Practitioners" or "Consultant Nurses" are even less likely to...

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and speaking of readiness for disasters etc, that all didn't work out too well for New Orleans did it?

hopefully British prudence and planning are a few notches higher.

but I wouldn't bet on it :lol:

At the risk of hanging a great big carrot in front of the nose of Fate, we don't really get the same level of natural disaster here in the UK as the States (Or many other places). Que half of the Canary Islands sliting into the deep atlantic , taking out Cornwall and most of South Wales..

We don't produce all out own food, but we do produce enough to avoid mass starvation. We'll be producing enough oil for cirtical needs (say 30% of overall use) for a while yet; the closest we can get to serious problems is the whole natural gas/electric grid issue. I would not be surprised to see natural gas shortages leading to brownouts or rolling blackouts in the near future.

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At the risk of hanging a great big carrot in front of the nose of Fate, we don't really get the same level of natural disaster here in the UK as the States (Or many other places). Que half of the Canary Islands sliting into the deep atlantic , taking out Cornwall and most of South Wales..

We don't produce all out own food, but we do produce enough to avoid mass starvation. We'll be producing enough oil for cirtical needs (say 30% of overall use) for a while yet; the closest we can get to serious problems is the whole natural gas/electric grid issue. I would not be surprised to see natural gas shortages leading to brownouts or rolling blackouts in the near future.

I actually agree with that mostly, but I honestly wouldn't be too surprised to open the paper one morning and see something like:

ANTHRAX ATTACK IN LONDON! CITY QUARANTINED!

I don't really think it's likely, but it really isn't THAT unlikely.

so while I don't live in fear of impending doom, I also don't think it's too out of order to have at least some idea of what you would do in an emergency.

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What measures should your profession be taking to realistically ensure that the country keeps running?

I've heard nothing about contigency planning for supply shocks in medicine.

I've been considering how to substitute medications if those 'gold standard' treatments become unavailable.

I'm sure healthcare trusts have planned for this scenario??

:lol: You are only interested in keeping your food source healthy.

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In fact most organisations will have disaster recovery plans and backup contingency plans.

But I doubt that 1930's type depressions will have been considered as a likely risk so probably totally unprepared.

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any disaster would be taken on the chin by the population.

so you have to look at the social bonding of that society to gauge what will happen when we have to depend on each other.

so expect greed grabbing panic buying, robbery and no local government help.

the uk society has been shattered by thatcher and even myself (as mellow as i am) will not be sharing anything with a bunch of boomers

who wont share with me. i would like to, but its not going to be a fair exchange anymore.

british society has changed as steeply as the weather. i think now theres ahrdly anybody from the gloating masses in their audis on any uk motoryway.

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The single most useful tool that evryone should get hold of ( IMO ) is the MSR water filter. Remeber folks, you can go 30days without food (more if you are lardy like me;) , but only 5 without water.

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The single most useful tool that evryone should get hold of ( IMO ) is the MSR water filter. Remeber folks, you can go 30days without food (more if you are lardy like me;) , but only 5 without water.

And after 30 days without food?

Do you think it would be likely the food supply would be resurrected in 30 days?

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In fact most organisations will have disaster recovery plans and backup contingency plans.

But I doubt that 1930's type depressions will have been considered as a likely risk so probably totally unprepared.

Most organisations play lip services disaster recovery purely for auditing purposes. Most companies wouldn't survive a major disaster.

In my early IT days I was DR specialist assisting all the major banks and finicals in testing their plans.

Very few took it seriously.

Although, after 9/11 our business picked up.

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I cant make those predictions, However stocking up on emergency food is only sensible. Establishing your own vegetable garden or allotment is also a good plan. Planning with your family and neighbors is also a good strategy. So after a good water filter I would be recommending a good stock of seeds. Their is an oil peak prep site called http://www.transitiontowns.org/ they give advice on how to build consesus in a community. It seems to me that if we dont prepare, as a community now, if and when the SHTF we would be well mobilised so the crook, crims and degenerates dont run the show.

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The single most useful tool that evryone should get hold of ( IMO ) is the MSR water filter. Remeber folks, you can go 30days without food (more if you are lardy like me;) , but only 5 without water.

MSR Miniworks

A bottle (or several) of bleach, plus a Brita filter if necessary, is probably a lot cheaper, though obviously not so handy for Navy Seal types :lol:

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A bottle (or several) of bleach, plus a Brita filter if necessary, is probably a lot cheaper, though obviously not so handy for Navy Seal types :lol:

Personally I don't like the taste of bleach even when filtered so I'll stick with the SEAL equipment! :rolleyes:

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