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Unlike the Pakistanis, who seem to have a stock exchange to throw rocks at, where exactly, would one toss a well weighted rock in Wall Street, or indeed in the City of London?

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We've touched on this so many times over the years, could it be that there is a genuine fear amongst middle England that the punishment of crime is exacting and severe? Could it be that the single 'success' of the Blair police state was the creation of a grid from which there is little escape? Were those extra 3,000+ crimes created for a purpose down the line and not today? Are folk so dumbed down that they don't even regard protest as a legitimate right, after all they witness each and every protest only given prime news time if the result is a win for authority; think the firemen dispute, tanker drivers, refinery strikes, council workers, or G8 protestors being battered by the authorities and marginalised as scum by the meeja whilst the blows rain down....

Those with the most to lose will not protest, they want to see the system work, even those in the middle of the food chain would rather see the staus quo maintained; stay in jobs, their 200K home equity protected, still be able to indullge in small luxuries. They can't achieve this themselves, they need the state/govt of the day to do it for them...for that to remain the last thing they'll do is riot/protest. The last major revolt we had was v poll tax and looking at various groups it's surely the lower end of society, that rump which has been cast aside, that is most likely to revolt if you damage its income. However, govts aren't that stupid, that group is sedated on hand outs and unless the govt. take away their 'revenue' in a sweeping move then there'll be no friction. Suddenly making that group responsible for 120 quid a month community charge would see riots, but that'd never happen.

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We've touched on this so many times over the years, could it be that there is a genuine fear amongst middle England that the punishment of crime is exacting and severe? Could it be that the single 'success' of the Blair police state was the creation of a grid from which there is little escape? Were those extra 3,000+ crimes created for a purpose down the line and not today? Are folk so dumbed down that they don't even regard protest as a legitimate right, after all they witness each and every protest only given prime news time if the result is a win for authority; think the firemen dispute, tanker drivers, refinery strikes, council workers, or G8 protestors being battered by the authorities and marginalised as scum by the meeja whilst the blows rain down....

Those with the most to lose will not protest, they want to see the system work, even those in the middle of the food chain would rather see the staus quo maintained; stay in jobs, their 200K home equity protected, still be able to indullge in small luxuries. They can't achieve this themselves, they need the state/govt of the day to do it for them...for that to remain the last thing they'll do is riot/protest. The last major revolt we had was v poll tax and looking at various groups it's surely the lower end of society, that rump which has been cast aside, that is most likely to revolt if you damage its income. However, govts aren't that stupid, that group is sedated on hand outs and unless the govt. take away their 'revenue' in a sweeping move then there'll be no friction. Suddenly making that group responsible for 120 quid a month community charge would see riots, but that'd never happen.

Top post CL! Couldn't agree more... except to add that these measures are ongoing and ID cards are still on the horizon. The state has to remain answerable to the people and not the other way round.

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We've touched on this so many times over the years, could it be that there is a genuine fear amongst middle England that the punishment of crime is exacting and severe? Could it be that the single 'success' of the Blair police state was the creation of a grid from which there is little escape? Were those extra 3,000+ crimes created for a purpose down the line and not today? Are folk so dumbed down that they don't even regard protest as a legitimate right, after all they witness each and every protest only given prime news time if the result is a win for authority; think the firemen dispute, tanker drivers, refinery strikes, council workers, or G8 protestors being battered by the authorities and marginalised as scum by the meeja whilst the blows rain down....

Those with the most to lose will not protest, they want to see the system work, even those in the middle of the food chain would rather see the staus quo maintained; stay in jobs, their 200K home equity protected, still be able to indullge in small luxuries. They can't achieve this themselves, they need the state/govt of the day to do it for them...for that to remain the last thing they'll do is riot/protest. The last major revolt we had was v poll tax and looking at various groups it's surely the lower end of society, that rump which has been cast aside, that is most likely to revolt if you damage its income. However, govts aren't that stupid, that group is sedated on hand outs and unless the govt. take away their 'revenue' in a sweeping move then there'll be no friction. Suddenly making that group responsible for 120 quid a month community charge would see riots, but that'd never happen.

Some of us are just trying to make enough money to leave.

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People still have food, electricity, telly, and petrol. When these things run out don't expect quiessence.

The Romans realised the value of bread and circuses, as opposed to starvation and boredom. :ph34r:

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People still have food, electricity, telly, and petrol. When these things run out don't expect quiessence.

The Romans realised the value of bread and circuses, as opposed to starvation and boredom. :ph34r:

but, that is the function of government, surely, feed, house and protect!.

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but, that is the function of government, surely, feed, house and protect!.

As Deepthought said in the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy : "Tricky question."

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No, I'd say thats your own responsibility.

Wouldn't you?

:blink:

Yes, on an individual level, but I have no control over food supply and movement, the provision of housing in general, nor the provision of security of the populace, indeed, security against an organised/disorganised local maruader.

It requires some level of planning on a national level to acheive these.

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but, that is the function of government, surely, feed, house and protect!.

Oh no, surely.

You missed 'to tax'.

:P

Er..and 'to control', 'to tell us how to live', 'to protect us from enemies'.

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Conditioning of the Sheeple at Optimum State. Engage the enforced debt slavery.

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Oh no, surely.

You missed 'to tax'.

:P

Er..and 'to control', 'to tell us how to live', 'to protect us from enemies'.

I think my statement implies all the the above, they decide on some laws to control what we do, they tell us how these laws will work and provide an army.

They should, of course, ALL be with the consent of the people.

I never, and neither did anyone else, vote for Gordon Brown as PM.

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Some of us are just trying to make enough money to leave.

Problem is that you could miss out on a lovely comfortable state funded retirement with first class dental and health care.

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We've touched on this so many times over the years, could it be that there is a genuine fear amongst middle England that the punishment of crime is exacting and severe? Could it be that the single 'success' of the Blair police state was the creation of a grid from which there is little escape? Were those extra 3,000+ crimes created for a purpose down the line and not today? Are folk so dumbed down that they don't even regard protest as a legitimate right, after all they witness each and every protest only given prime news time if the result is a win for authority; think the firemen dispute, tanker drivers, refinery strikes, council workers, or G8 protestors being battered by the authorities and marginalised as scum by the meeja whilst the blows rain down....

Those with the most to lose will not protest, they want to see the system work, even those in the middle of the food chain would rather see the staus quo maintained; stay in jobs, their 200K home equity protected, still be able to indullge in small luxuries. They can't achieve this themselves, they need the state/govt of the day to do it for them...for that to remain the last thing they'll do is riot/protest. The last major revolt we had was v poll tax and looking at various groups it's surely the lower end of society, that rump which has been cast aside, that is most likely to revolt if you damage its income. However, govts aren't that stupid, that group is sedated on hand outs and unless the govt. take away their 'revenue' in a sweeping move then there'll be no friction. Suddenly making that group responsible for 120 quid a month community charge would see riots, but that'd never happen.

I agree with most of this, but the mechanisms by which people were emasculated by government probably started with Thatcher rather than Blair, which won't be necessarily a popular view here, but underneath the "freedoms" she declared for the city and some individuals, she did an awful lot of bashing of some sections of the populace, not least the introduction of the first tax in modern history (poll tax) which was payable through merely existing, rather than earning. All Blair, and now Brown, has done is to carry her legacy to new heights, combined with increased control freakery. Students, who in my day were an active, intelligent, vibrant and bolshy lot (if you're not this way when you're young you'll be a colonel blimp by forty) were completely down trodden by Thatcher with the introduction of University Fees. That put paid to any notion of agit prop and converted an entire section of the population to loads-a-money wannabees and chartered accountants. Blair, and now Brown continue the trend.

Add the bogus "war on terror", 42 days in clink without habeus corpus and several million CCTV cameras and you have exactly the matrix or grid you are talking about...a systematic and all ecompassing environment of super-control where you become almost literally an UN-person unless you are utterly obedient. It doesn't matter that in fact you might be a reasonable, fair minded, intelligent, moderate person any longer...in fact that is the opposite of what is required. You are required to have just enough intelligence to function but not enough critical faculties about you to be able to assert basic rights, liberties or objections. And this is not restricted to just Nu-Lab. Local Councils of all political pursuasions are in the vanguard of this control freakery.

The final cog in the great gear box of government is to create scape goats, marginalise minorities and invent witch hunts against those who have what were considered previously to be mild vices: overweight, a tad too much alcohol, too many ciggies or any "vice" which detracts from the real ones, hence you can run a bank with criminal irresponsibility for a decade and get off scot free but if you dare to puff a fag or be slightly over-weight the entire system turns against you, with the support of all the sheep that follow.

VP

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Top post CL! Couldn't agree more... except to add that these measures are ongoing and ID cards are still on the horizon. The state has to remain answerable to the people and not the other way round.

I was listening to the BBC cricket commentators talking about the level of security at the Headingley cricket ground over the last couple of days. Body searches, metal detectors, sniffer dogs all over their cars. Agnew described the huge amount of officialdom inside the ground as 'sinister'.

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I agree with most of this, but the mechanisms by which people were emasculated by government probably started with Thatcher rather than Blair, which won't be necessarily a popular view here, but underneath the "freedoms" she declared for the city and some individuals, she did an awful lot of bashing of some sections of the populace, not least the first tax (poll tax) which was payable through merely existing, rather than earning. All Blair has done is to carry her legacy to new heights, combined with increased control freakery. Students, who in my day were an active, intelligent, vibrant and bolshy lot (if you're not this way when you're young you'll be a colonel blimp by forty) were completely down trodden by Thatcher with the introduction of University Fees. That put paid to any notion of agit prop and converted an entire section of the population to loads-a-money wannabees and chartered accountants. Blair, and now Brown continue the trend.

Add the bogus "war on terror", 42 days in clink without habeus corpus and several million CCTV cameras and you have exactly the matrix or grid you are talking about...a systematic and all ecompassing environment of super-control where you become almost literally an UN-person unless you are utterly obedient. It doesn't matter that in fact you might be a reasonable, fair minded, intelligent, moderate person any longer...in fact that is the opposite of what is required. You are required to have just enough intelligence to function but not enough critical faculties about you to be able to assert basic rights, liberties or objections. And this is not restricted to just Nu-Lab. Local Councils of all political pursuasions are in the vanguard of this control freakery.

The final cog in the great gear box of government is to create scape goats, marginalise minorities and invent witch hunts against those who have what were considered previously to be mild vices: overweight, a tad too much alcohol, too many ciggies or any "vice" which detracts from the real ones, hence you can run a bank with criminal irresponsibility for a decade and get off scot free but if you dare to puff a fag or be slightly over-weight the entire system turns against you, with the support of all the sheep that follow.

VP

YES!!!

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That`s a fascinating piece - particularly the part which states that the sole purpose of Wall St is to maximise the income of it`s employees .

Incidentally I was reflecting last month whilst walking round the magnificient Albert Dock in Liverpool how the area itself would have most likely been flattened without the intervention of Michael Heseltine as the `Merseyside Czar` in 1982 -given that he would never have stepped foot in the City without the Toxteth Riots been a catalyst for central government concern then it could be legimately argued that the Civil unrest led to positive change - likewise for the Poll Tax riots in Central London nearly ten years later .

The people of Middle England are undoubtably under the cosh to an extent unknown since wartime though . The Times was reporting that from next year anything up to 11 million people will require to be CRB checked before work either in their careers or volunteer groups - there is a common misconception that these checks are to weed out paedophiles and the like but a friend of mine recently had a great struggle getting his foot on the ladder of a teaching career because a check revealed a minor infraction with a pizza delivery man when he was a university student some years before . That such minor offences can follow you around and have an effect on your lfe throughout hardly makes the population keen the possibilty of committing offences - justified or otherwise through civil uprising ...

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When people have nothing left to lose, they will start to get very agitated.

Once their jobs have gone, their home has gone and their family unit is in tatters, people will be VERY pissed off.

While life is bearable and there is a possibility of getting through this pain by keeping their heads down and working hard, they will try that route. If that route fails though, what is to keep them from reflecting their anger?

This could be a time bomb ticking and when the masses realise they have been taken for a ride, there could be a big backlash.

EDIT: typo

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When people have nothing left to lose, they will start to get very agitated.

Once their jobs have gone, their home has gone and their family unit is in tatters, people will be VERY pissed off.

While life is bearable and there is a possibility of getting through this pain by keeping their heads down and working hard, they will try that route. If that route fails though, what is to keep them from reflecting their anger?

This could be a time bomb ticking and when the masses realise they have been taken for a ride, there could be a big backlash.

EDIT: typo

I agree, this is also partly why I don't buy into the new world order conspiracy because ultimately if you want control the one thing you don't do is piss off the populace by making them all poor. Poor people have nothing to lose, that's why Thatcher sold the poor their houses it gave them fear they had something to lose if they voted Labour. It was gerrymandering on a national scale which conveniently was never questioned or prosecuted.

The US army is full of "trailer park trash" hardly the most reliable to go breaking heads in your own country especially when your asking them to attack their own.

I fear those in power are working over time to try and cover up this mess up and trying to find some way they can get out of it, even if as always they store up trouble for the future. But at least that way they won't be in charge when the SHTF again.

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Unlike the Pakistanis, who seem to have a stock exchange to throw rocks at, where exactly, would one toss a well weighted rock in Wall Street, or indeed in the City of London?

My guess would be that for the average pakistani life is more akin to how it was here/the US in long time past financial crises, ie. uncomfortable. A lot of people might be seeing their bills rise in this country, but its not like theres mass starvation/homelessness in the UK yet.

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Problem is that you could miss out on a lovely comfortable state funded retirement with first class dental and health care.

The first class dental care I pay for to repair the damage caused by bruxism as I fearfully remain awake at night wondering where the next threat to my ability to feed, clothe and house myself comes from as I'm assailed by target based practice requirements as we continue the relentless Lysenkoist drive to treat life as predeath morbidity. As I'm patronised for living like a student by those who have benefitted from freedoms and asset inflation to live as they please. As I see the next generation enter the workplace more indebted than the last, as government pushes to increase competition in healthcare by tendering out services to private companies with a view to causing wage destruction. As I watch the death of a socialised healthcare system caused by relentless expansion of service requirements beyond the capability of the staff to deliver. With a deflationary economy which mathematically requires mass bankruptcy in order to survive. I watch the rhetoric about healthcare and how we fund it and realise that increasingly the tiny incremental gains in longevity and health are likely going to be more than offset by the willful damage to society caused by a monetary system which is fundamentally flawed once reduction in working population occurs and once most of the significant advances to real human civilisation and production have occurred. I'm afraid I just don't believe tomorrow in Britain will be better than today.

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The problem is that the statists have used some amazingly complicated means to control the population, far more so than at any time in history. Psychology and it's understandings were discovered by and large by people wishing to help others but they found techniques that can cage just as easily as they can free.

Until the population at large has the same understanding of their own psychology as those who would control them do, we have an unequal war.

Organised protest, nevermind some sort of revolt is particularly difficult in these dark days of CCTV, psychological profiling, targetted policing, 4am wake up calls to activists by MI5 and the like.

This does have a problem to it, however. Instead of organised revolt on one or two issues that can be absorbed into the political process, what will happen is massive unorganised and potentially unstoppable revolt with no central issue but a lot of suppressed anxiety and wrath fueling it.

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The problem is that the statists have used some amazingly complicated means to control the population, far more so than at any time in history. Psychology and it's understandings were discovered by and large by people wishing to help others but they found techniques that can cage just as easily as they can free.

Until the population at large has the same understanding of their own psychology as those who would control them do, we have an unequal war.

Organised protest, nevermind some sort of revolt is particularly difficult in these dark days of CCTV, psychological profiling, targetted policing, 4am wake up calls to activists by MI5 and the like.

This does have a problem to it, however. Instead of organised revolt on one or two issues that can be absorbed into the political process, what will happen is massive unorganised and potentially unstoppable revolt with no central issue but a lot of suppressed anxiety and wrath fueling it.

Perhaps Derren Brown should reveal his secrets?

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