US Citizen Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) This has gone beyond the joke. Over the past 3 years we have seen an approximate 2 million Polish migrants come and live amongst us. We have shared our lands, jobs even roads with their left handed cars on them and on the most part things have gone relatively smoothly. But now especially in the North West where nearly 500,000 of them have settled, their leaving. I dont mean one or two, but convoys this weekend are heading for France & Belgium. It appears were not offering what they want anymore and they feel its time to move on. Stop them. They just cant leave like that, we'll miss them wont we. Like rats leaving a sinking ship. I only wish I could leave with them. Edited July 12, 2008 by debt-free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickywackywoo Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 This has gone beyond the joke. Over the past 3 years we have seen an approximate 2 million Polish migrants come and live amongst us. We have shared our lands, jobs even roads with their left handed cars on them and on the most part things have gone relatively smoothly. But now especially in the North West where nearly 500,000 of them have settled, their leaving. I dont mean one or two, but convoys this weekend are heading for France & Belgium. It appears were not offering what they want anymore and they feel its time to move on. Stop them. They just cant leave like that, we'll miss them wont we. Like rats leaving a sinking ship. I only wish I could leave with them. It's all very sad How will we ever manage without them? It's not like this country has ever managed without uncontrolled immigration before is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time 2 raise interest rates Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 But what about all the road signs Grodon put up in Polish, do you think they'll take them all down again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyMe Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 BTL fodder. Wonder why BTL was encouraged so heavily in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slurms mackenzie Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) This has gone beyond the joke. Over the past 3 years we have seen an approximate 2 million Polish migrants come and live amongst us. We have shared our lands, jobs even roads with their left handed cars on them and on the most part things have gone relatively smoothly. But now especially in the North West where nearly 500,000 of them have settled, their leaving. I dont mean one or two, but convoys this weekend are heading for France & Belgium. It appears were not offering what they want anymore and they feel its time to move on.Stop them. They just cant leave like that, we'll miss them wont we. Like rats leaving a sinking ship. I only wish I could leave with them. Surely this will have a major effect on GDP Unlucky Gordon! Edited July 12, 2008 by slurms mackenzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbatst2000 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I only wish I could leave with them. Assuming they're all going elsewhere in the EU, what's to stop you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonewer Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) Major effects on 1. BTL scum with HMOs 2. Newsagents with large stocks of Zywsckys, Pellcycyzaka, and Szcyzcyczcs. Edited July 12, 2008 by jonewer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyHead Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Does this mean farm owners will have to pay farm workers wages that actually reflect real British living costs now? Not the slave wage, "living ten to a bedsit" wages the Polish were happy to earn, while still sending the occasional tenner back home which practically supported their whole family. That means food prices will go up even more. But the good news is even less demand for homes/accomodation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time 2 raise interest rates Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) The cowards are deserting a sinking ship, what about all the landlords that have housed them where do they stand now. Edited July 12, 2008 by time 2 raise interest rates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkman Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 2. Newsagents with large stocks of Zywsckys, Pellcycyzaka, and Szcyzcyczcs. Hey I enjoyed a bit of Pellcycyzaka too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Monk Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) The way things are going, I reckon we'll all be living ten to a room in Lodz or Bialystock picking potatoes by this time next year. Edited July 12, 2008 by Harry Monk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time 2 raise interest rates Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The way things are going, I reckon we'll all be living ten to a room in Lodz or Bialystock picking potatoes by this time next year. I don't know i may buy myself a nice penthouse in Park Lane for around 50k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryWeston Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 The way things are going, I reckon we'll all be living ten to a room in Lodz or Bialystock picking potatoes by this time next year. Have you been evicted from your park bench then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huw Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Does this mean farm owners will have to pay farm workers wages that actually reflect real British living costs now? Eventually, yes, when the pound and UK living standards have declined sufficiently and the welfare system has been reformed. In the interim, UK crops will rot unharvested, with the shortfall being made up by imports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pioneer31 Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) But now especially in the North West where nearly 500,000 of them have settled, their leaving. I dont mean one or two, but convoys this weekend are heading for France & Belgium. It appears were not offering what they want anymore and they feel its time to move on.Stop them. They just cant leave like that, we'll miss them wont we. Like rats leaving a sinking ship. . Oops, there goes our pent up demand! Edited July 12, 2008 by pioneer31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthereyet Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Eventually, yes, when the pound and UK living standards have declined sufficiently and the welfare system has been reformed. In the interim, UK crops will rot unharvested, with the shortfall being made up by imports. How did we manage before the mass immigration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Not surprise they are leaving the economy is currently in a Wile E. Coyote moment we have run off the cliff and we're currently looking down at the fall about to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatdog Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 I don't know i may buy myself a nice penthouse in Park Lane for around 50k. Not much call for potato pickers in that neck of the woods tho' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Cage Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) Any evidence they are leaving? Anyway, Trust in the Lords report. This isn't selective quoting, it was in the press and everything. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/l...82/8211.htm#a32 15. The overall conclusion from existing evidence is that immigration has very small impacts on GDP per capita, whether these impacts are positive or negative. This conclusion is in line with findings of studies of the economic impacts of immigration in other countries including the US. The Government should initiate research in this area, in view of the paucity of evidence for the UK (para 66). 216. Although possible in theory, we found no systematic empirical evidence to suggest that net immigration creates significant dynamic benefits for the resident population in the UK. This does not necessarily mean that such effects do not exist but that there is currently no systematic evidence for them and it is possible that there are also negative dynamic and wider welfare effects (para 69).217. The available evidence suggests that immigration has had a small negative impact on the lowest-paid workers in the UK, and a small positive impact on the earnings of higher-paid workers. Resident workers whose wages have been adversely affected by immigration are likely to include a significant proportion of previous immigrants and workers from ethnic minority groups (para 78). 228. We recognise that many public and private enterprises currently rely upon immigrants—from the NHS to City institutions, from the construction industry to residential care. We do not doubt the great value of this workforce from overseas to UK businesses and public services. Nevertheless, the argument that sustained net immigration is needed to fill vacancies, and that immigrants do the jobs that locals cannot or will not do, is fundamentally flawed. It ignores the potential alternatives to immigration for responding to labour shortages, including the price adjustments of a competitive labour market and the associated increase in local labour supply that can be expected to occur in the absence of immigration (para 122). 229. Immigration designed to address short term shortages may have the unintended consequence of creating the conditions that encourage shortages of local workers in the longer term (para 123). Edited July 12, 2008 by maxwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blankster Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) Simple: Let Zimbabwean assylum seekers stay for 3 years and allow them to work. Most of them are probably genuine. Edited July 12, 2008 by blankster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozen_out Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 (edited) Good luck to them. They got on their bike, found work, earned their families a better life and now that's no longer on offer in the UK they're going to find it somewhere else. It's difficult to have anything other than admiration for these people. Edited July 12, 2008 by frozen_out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huw Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 How did we manage before the mass immigration Perhaps the population was healthier back then (as evidenced by disability figures ) and more able to do this demanding physical work. Seriously, I grew up in a farming community in the 1970s and there certainly used to be British people doing manual farm work. Hell, I used to do it myself, unpaid, as a child/teenager (I wonder how many farm kids are in the labour force today?) I'm pretty sure the farm labourers were on dismal wages though -- perhaps below minimum wage or what they could get on the dole today -- and had a very low standard of living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caribbean Beauty Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 How did we manage before the mass immigration Eastern Europeans were entering legally each summer to harvest crops cheaply for many years before the 2004 EU expansion allowed them in for any purpose, under the immigration "vol-ag" scheme as we knew it, basically a simple and quick way to issue work permits for agircultural volunteer workers (sounds like they used to sweat in the fields out of the goodness of their heart and not for money!). Surprisingly for those of us whose job it was to chase and removed them, very few vol-ags used to abscond from the terms of their summer only visas - because they used to work every summer then live like kings back in post-communism dead economies for the winter, they used to be careful not to blot their records. I am guessing that if the NFU kicks up a stink about labour shortages, the vol-ag scheme will be widened to include Mongolians and even further east until we reach back to Wales! Of course there were always a healthy smattering of illegals amongst the legal vol-ags too, Farmer Giles types are not too fussy and would just blame the employment agencies anyway so would avoid prosecution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time 2 raise interest rates Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 How did we manage before the mass immigration Before mass immigration, when we had soaring inflation as we have now we also had wage inflation to help the blow. This time with mass immigration we have soaring inflation with no pay rise, repossesions will soar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robski Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Major effects on 1. BTL scum with HMOs 2. Newsagents with large stocks of Zywsckys, Pellcycyzaka, and Szcyzcyczcs. Nice attempt at Polish! However the only one I recognise is Zywiec! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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