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David Cameron declared yesterday that some people who are poor, fat or addicted to alcohol or drugs have only themselves to blame.

He said that society had been too sensitive in failing to judge the behaviour of others as good or bad, right or wrong, and that it was time for him to speak out against “moral neutrality”.

In a conscious shift of strategy, the Tory leader said he would not shirk from discussing public morality and claimed that social problems were often the consequence of individuals’ choices. “We talk about people being ‘at risk of obesity’ instead of talking about people who eat too much and take too little exercise,” he said. “We talk about people being at risk of poverty, or social exclusion: it’s as if these things — obesity, alcohol abuse, drug addiction — are purely external events like a plague or bad weather.

Of course, circumstances — where you are born, your neighbourhood, your school and the choices your parents make — have a huge impact. But social problems are often the consequence of the choices people make.”

The Conservatives retain a commanding lead over Labour — 13 points — according to the latest Times poll.Mr Cameron travelled to Glasgow — a city that he said had inspired his party’s crusade for social justice — to make his boldest appeal yet on restoring personal responsibility.

Ending an era in which politicians have fought shy of judging personal behaviour, he blamed such sensitivity for eroding responsibility over decades.

A lot of social problems are down to poverty and the fact you have very little alternative. Can someone who is poor afford to go to Eton or Harrow?

Cambridge and Oxford are still elitist Universities and even going to Uni you'll be running up debts of £20k - £30k.

If I had been able to attend Eton/Harrow I'm sure I wouldn't be in the job I'm in now and I'd have more money.

A lot of the areas in the UK with the highest unemployment rates are where the previous Tory govt destroyed all the jobs especially in the mining communities.

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A lot of social problems are down to poverty and the fact you have very little alternative. Can someone who is poor afford to go to Eton or Harrow?

Cambridge and Oxford are still elitist Universities and even going to Uni you'll be running up debts of £20k - £30k.

If I had been able to attend Eton/Harrow I'm sure I wouldn't be in the job I'm in now and I'd have more money.

A lot of the areas in the UK with the highest unemployment rates are where the previous Tory govt destroyed all the jobs especially in the mining communities.

finally, the right are turning the flank of the socialist apologists. the dawning of the immense cost of all this welfare and corruption will destroy labour.

i am going to make a prediction. labour will become the third party. the liberals will become the opposition after the next general election.

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I completely agree with David Cameron.

People need to take personal responsibility

And stop blaming the government for all their woes.

And stop relying on state handouts for their own welfair.

And if you FAT it's because you eat too much!

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finally, the right are turning the flank of the socialist apologists. the dawning of the immense cost of all this welfare and corruption will destroy labour.

i am going to make a prediction. labour will become the third party. the liberals will become the opposition after the next general election.

Just like I said the Conservatives would be 11 years ago.

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I completely agree with David Cameron.

People need to take personal responsibility

And stop blaming the government for all their woes.

And stop relying on state handouts for their own welfair.

And if you FAT it's because you eat too much!

It's probably because you eat too many pork pies.

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Yes, finally someone get to the root of the blame culture brought about by socialist dogma. Everyone can blame being poor for commiting crime, but what do they do? Do they do any voluntary work to help society or do they sit on their arses eating pringles and claiming benefits?

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Yes, finally someone get to the root of the blame culture brought about by socialist dogma. Everyone can blame being poor for commiting crime, but what do they do? Do they do any voluntary work to help society or do they sit on their arses eating pringles and claiming benefits?

The trouble is that's probably what their parents did before them and most of us copy our parents to a greater or lesser degree.

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I completely agree with David Cameron.

People need to take personal responsibility

And stop blaming the government for all their woes.

And stop relying on state handouts for their own welfair.

And if you FAT it's because you eat too much!

COMPLETELY AGREE - with you and Cameron.

The is a lack of personal responsibility in this country. If you are fat, it is because Labour haven't imposed the correct regulation. If you don't own a house, labour will implement nonsense schemes to allow it (shared equity) etc etc etc.

The list goes on. Personal responsibility has gone from the UK.....and it needs to return ASAP.

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He does say SOME people, not all people, who are poor. I have to agree. It is too easy to sit on your ****, collect your giro and say you haven't got it as good as some. As for saying about Eton or Harrow, what proportion of the population attend these schools. Look at the big picture and we live in a "pass the buck society". Even these little urchins who go around stabbing and robbing blame someone or something. To cure the moral bankruptcy in the UK we must start having individual responsibility for all our actions from the way we live to the way we spend. It should be obvious to most by now that the government can't do it for you.

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I completely agree with David Cameron.

People need to take personal responsibility

And stop blaming the government for all their woes.

And stop relying on state handouts for their own welfair.

And if you FAT it's because you eat too much!

Agree. When people fail to take responsibility for their own actions they always blame others for their plight. The bottom line for obesity is gluttony and lack of self-discipline. Emphasis on "self."

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Agree with most of you guys here, It's time to take responsibilty and not expect things to happen for you and blame people when it doesn't.

I mean how many no-win no-fee companies are there around...

If you fall over and hurt yourself the chances are that you are a dopey c**t, Oh but I want £8000 for my troubles, I "deserve" it.

GREED.

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Agree. When people fail to take responsibility for their own actions .................. self-discipline. Emphasis on "self."

Yes.

Lets leave poor old Max Mosely out of this one shall we!

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Fine. Let's see him clamp down on tax avoiders, tax evaders, those who use bent accountants to shovel their money offshore, non-doms, and lots of others who use every trick they can possibly pull to wriggle out of their legal obligations to support the democratically-elected government of the country they live in. Let's have some consistency here.

And before anyone starts with NuLabour are a bunch of t*ss*rs and anything is fair game if it gets them out, fine. But benefit scroungers and chavs are entitled to the same viewpoint and would be just as "entitled" to refuse co-operation with a Cameron conservative government.

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totally agree, people choose a path, blaming others and expecting handouts isn't a way forwards. People choose alcoholism, people choose drugs, people choose to eat too much, people choose to drop out of school... I agree with carrot and stick, but not if the carrot favours people who have taken bad decisions, you need to remove the benefits to create a stick...

I understand that in France if your claiming free housing from the state your not entitled to vote...

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A lot of social problems are down to poverty and the fact you have very little alternative. Can someone who is poor afford to go to Eton or Harrow?

Cambridge and Oxford are still elitist Universities and even going to Uni you'll be running up debts of £20k - £30k.

If I had been able to attend Eton/Harrow I'm sure I wouldn't be in the job I'm in now and I'd have more money.

A lot of the areas in the UK with the highest unemployment rates are where the previous Tory govt destroyed all the jobs especially in the mining communities.

So you actually highlight the salient paragraph and launch into a boring cliched diatribe about public schools.

Cameron said quite clearly that circumstances play an important role but that people need to take responsibility for the consequences arising out of the choices they make.

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totally agree, people choose a path, blaming others and expecting handouts isn't a way forwards. People choose alcoholism, people choose drugs, people choose to eat too much, people choose to drop out of school... I agree with carrot and stick, but not if the carrot favours people who have taken bad decisions, you need to remove the benefits to create a stick...

I understand that in France if your unemployed your not entitled to vote...

Adam Applegarth's bad decisions totally phuqed up Northern Rock and he walked away with a load of dosh and a big pension. Some carrot, some stick. Why isn't Cameron having a go at him, and that poor sap at B&B who is suddenly so poorly that the poor chap can't work? Only he won't be claiming benefits as he's stuffed his fat face with money from B&B.

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totally agree, people choose a path, blaming others and expecting handouts isn't a way forwards. People choose alcoholism, people choose drugs, people choose to eat too much, people choose to drop out of school... I agree with carrot and stick, but not if the carrot favours people who have taken bad decisions, you need to remove the benefits to create a stick...

I understand that in France if your claiming free housing from the state your not entitled to vote...

From the Beeb business section:

Industry trend

Persimmon said that its job cuts would save about £65m per year, meaning it could cope "efficiently" with its downturn in business.

Revenue was down 34% amd sales on its order book were 30% lower than at this time last year, it added.

"We now have a lower level of overheads and structure appropriate for the current levels of business, whilst at the same time remaining well placed to achieve an increase in output whenever mortgage availability and the overall market improves," the firm said.

Persimmon is the latest housebuilder to cut jobs, with 2,000 jobs going at rivals Taylor Wimpey and Barratt Developments.

Last week, Taylor Wimpey shares more than halved in value after the firm announced 900 job cuts and said it had failed to secure an extra £500m of funding.

And Barratt is shedding up to 1,000 jobs in another blow to the troubled UK property market.

What do you want to do, deny these people benefits? What did they do wrong; choose to work for builders rather than, say, the public sector? No wonder people opt for public sector jobs for the security if going private means being well and truly kicked when you're down if the firm you work for gets into trouble.

Meanwhile I don't see the people running these firms suffering in anything like the same way. Welcome to the free market, have a nice day.

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I have moved down from a 36" waist to a 34" in the last couple of months by eating less McVities anytime some good crash news hit the wires! Losing a bit of weight is a choice. You can blame NuLabour for the mess in the economy but not for your weight or dishonesty when it comes to skivving.

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Phuck this is a good post.

Ex poor council house deprived person here, slightly overweight like a glass of wine or 5 but have a brain and have excelled more academicaly than a lot of my mates ( not that,that has gotten me "further" in life).

I hate crime and people who think it is not a probelm to commit it.

I also hate British politics with, labour you are crap tories are gonna wipe the floor with you at the next election. The labour party will lose the next election because they are crap not because the tories are good.

The tories will be equally as shite and who the hell is David Cameron, a nobody, probably ex public school boy who hasnt a f cuking clue about the country he lives in.

Anyway all of this fat/poor/crime crap isnt about which government, it's about education and how you are brought up and what values your parents pass on to you and what values they have. Britain is a total f ucking mess morally and socially with lots of greedy b astard people who dont give a shit about anyone else.

Can you tell I am cross!!!?

My prediction is that the tories will win the next election ,and because of the economic cycle and because they are a bunch of tossers , like all politicians, they will only serve one term.

Vive la republique!!

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I have moved down from a 36" waist to a 34" in the last couple of months by eating less McVities anytime some good crash news hit the wires! Losing a bit of weight is a choice. You can blame NuLabour for the mess in the economy but not for your weight or dishonesty when it comes to skivving.

That's weird. For some reason, I always assumed you were immense. Ah well, I'll just have to come up with some other mental image... Like a thin polar bear... :)

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From the Beeb business section:

Industry trend

Persimmon said that its job cuts would save about £65m per year, meaning it could cope "efficiently" with its downturn in business.

Revenue was down 34% amd sales on its order book were 30% lower than at this time last year, it added.

"We now have a lower level of overheads and structure appropriate for the current levels of business, whilst at the same time remaining well placed to achieve an increase in output whenever mortgage availability and the overall market improves," the firm said.

Persimmon is the latest housebuilder to cut jobs, with 2,000 jobs going at rivals Taylor Wimpey and Barratt Developments.

Last week, Taylor Wimpey shares more than halved in value after the firm announced 900 job cuts and said it had failed to secure an extra £500m of funding.

And Barratt is shedding up to 1,000 jobs in another blow to the troubled UK property market.

What do you want to do, deny these people benefits? What did they do wrong; choose to work for builders rather than, say, the public sector? No wonder people opt for public sector jobs for the security if going private means being well and truly kicked when you're down if the firm you work for gets into trouble.

Meanwhile I don't see the people running these firms suffering in anything like the same way. Welcome to the free market, have a nice day.

Anyone with savings or a mortgage isn't eligible for benefits anyway, if your renting privately unemployment benefit wont make any difference. Im not talking about people who have lost there jobs (they get nothing when they loose there job), i'm talking about people who made the choice at school....

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A lot of social problems are down to poverty and the fact you have very little alternative. Can someone who is poor afford to go to Eton or Harrow?

Cambridge and Oxford are still elitist Universities and even going to Uni you'll be running up debts of £20k - £30k.

If I had been able to attend Eton/Harrow I'm sure I wouldn't be in the job I'm in now and I'd have more money.

A lot of the areas in the UK with the highest unemployment rates are where the previous Tory govt destroyed all the jobs especially in the mining communities.

i come from a poor background-council estate, clothes from charity shops/poundstretchers, Dad from very poor background,etc.

But my Mum instilled good manners, good behaviour and good work ethic into us and now my brother has his own computer business and i'm a dental professional.

Neither my brother or I have been in trouble with the law and never will do (though i am a bit fat!!)

Both of us have no debts either.

It's the way you are brought up, not how much money you have. I know plenty of kids from middle class backgrounds who are lazy, good for nothings idiots!

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i come from a poor background-council estate, clothes from charity shops/poundstretchers, Dad from very poor background,etc.

But my Mum instilled good manners, good behaviour and good work ethic into us and now my brother has his own computer business and i'm a dental professional.

Neither my brother or I have been in trouble with the law and never will do (though i am a bit fat!!)

Both of us have no debts either.

It's the way you are brought up, not how much money you have. I know plenty of kids from middle class backgrounds who are lazy, good for nothings idiots!

Good on yer Rachel the kind of citizen the UK needs.

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