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Ok, clearly I have to be very specific for some people to understand me. Legally. Factually. Ryanair. Has. Never. Made. A. Single. Pilot. Redundant. Ever. In. Any. Way.

That's now cleared up.

Well i disagree with you on that. I believe Ryanair were the legal entity that made the buzz employees redundant so parp. If a legal eagle want's to come along and say otherwise so be it.

However you're quite right about redundancies elsewhere in the business

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business...e-14344978.html

It highlights once again how isolated this government is if they are taxing tourists instead of welcoming them," Mr O'Leary said.

Almost all the Ryanair job losses will be among pilots, cabin crew and engineers, with each transferred plane accounting for around 50 losses each.

Mr O'Leary said all of the cuts would be involuntary and no redundancies would be offered to staff.

"We don't do redundancies. You can transfer to one of our other operations, otherwise you can go," he said.

So erm ..... If you close your eyes and says its not a redundancy then maybe it isn't, it's whatever you want it to be.

Yay !

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OK. Clearly you're retard who cannot understand the simple fact that Ryanair has never made a single pilot redundant.

I don't close my eyes unless I'm drifting off to sleep at night happy and secure in the lucrative employment of Europes most profitable airline.

Tim. Without us your 14 stone sack of guts doesn't get from A to B so forgive me for not being grateful and not caring if you enjoyed the service. Its like a bus. Or a train. Its merely tawdry public transport. Just why it should be 'free' champagne, gorgeous girls and humidors is a mystery. Airports should be like bus terminals. Cheap, functional, tolerably miserable.

It public transport.

Any hint of romance was pummeled to death 40 years ago.

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Tim. Without us your 14 stone sack of guts doesn't get from A to B so forgive me for not being grateful and not caring if you enjoyed the service. Its like a bus. Or a train. Its merely tawdry public transport. Just why it should be 'free' champagne, gorgeous girls and humidors is a mystery. Airports should be like bus terminals. Cheap, functional, tolerably miserable.

It public transport.

Any hint of romance was pummeled to death 40 years ago.

PS

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, distilled down to its very essence of evil in one post, is precisely why it will be a cold day in Hell before you see me touching anything remotely related to RyanAir and its scrofulous employees with a long, insulated stick.

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OK. Clearly you're retard who cannot understand the simple fact that Ryanair has never made a single pilot redundant.

I suppose when you put the argument like that, yes you're quite right. Mine eyes hath been blinded now i see the light.

Cheers.

All you had to do was say i was a retard, and thus wrong.

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And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, distilled down to its very essence of evil in one post, is precisely why it will be a cold day in Hell before you see me touching anything remotely related to RyanAir and its scrofulous employees with a long, insulated stick.

I've used them. I agree with Peter. It's just public transport. It gets you from A to B. Cheaply. I dont use it all the time. But it does the job when I need it to. If you can afford to never have to use them then great. But if there's a demand for them then fair enough. No one is ever forced to use them.

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OK. Clearly you're retard who cannot understand the simple fact that Ryanair has never made a single pilot redundant.

I don't close my eyes unless I'm drifting off to sleep at night happy and secure in the lucrative employment of Europes most profitable airline.

Tim. Without us your 14 stone sack of guts doesn't get from A to B so forgive me for not being grateful and not caring if you enjoyed the service. Its like a bus. Or a train. Its merely tawdry public transport. Just why it should be 'free' champagne, gorgeous girls and humidors is a mystery. Airports should be like bus terminals. Cheap, functional, tolerably miserable.

It public transport.

Any hint of romance was pummeled to death 40 years ago.

PS

This is your Pilot's announcement during the final taxi up to the ramp at the arrival airport:

"we do not thank our sacks of guts passengers as a matter of policy so do not expect me to thank you for flying with Ryanair. This is because we do not like you, need you (other than to pay our salaries - but not our uniforms as we happily buy those since we are desperate to ass-lick M O leary dirty cleft) and because you do not like or need Ryanair. We do not care if you have a safe onward journey or even if you die in a terrible scooter accident during your holiday, because we have your credit card details in our booking system and will still charge your card whether you fly home with us alive, or in a coffin (if in a coffin, please note that this equates to 10 checked bag charges PLUS we will charge you a fee on top of your payment, for paying us). That said, it is important to us that you do not drop dead until after you exit the aircraft steps, as if you die earlier we will be delayed getting to the bar and shagging each other at our cheap and nasty crew hotel while we wait for the paramedics to remove your dead sack of guts from our exit route off this awful tacky sky-train. Goodbye and good riddance"

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I've used them. I agree with Peter. It's just public transport. It gets you from A to B. Cheaply. I dont use it all the time. But it does the job when I need it to. If you can afford to never have to use them then great. But if there's a demand for them then fair enough. No one is ever forced to use them.

Fair enough, but does public transport necessarily equate to such open dislike for your passengers? That does seem to be the attitude in the UK (and Ireland?) but try explaining that to German train staff or a Swiss bus driver.

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OK. Clearly you're retard who cannot understand the simple fact that Ryanair has never made a single pilot redundant.

I don't close my eyes unless I'm drifting off to sleep at night happy and secure in the lucrative employment of Europes most profitable airline.

Tim. Without us your 14 stone sack of guts doesn't get from A to B so forgive me for not being grateful and not caring if you enjoyed the service. Its like a bus. Or a train. Its merely tawdry public transport. Just why it should be 'free' champagne, gorgeous girls and humidors is a mystery. Airports should be like bus terminals. Cheap, functional, tolerably miserable.

It public transport.

Any hint of romance was pummeled to death 40 years ago.

PS

I'm not on here for a fight, however I think your attitude stinks, I never mentioned I wanted girls and champagne, so why did you chuck that in? I'm more worried that a pilot clearly needs anger management courses. If you don't like your job, find another one! It's best for all.

I'm not a fan of Ryanair, especially after the disabled passenger was charged 25 euro for using a wheelchair. The airline was taken to court and lost, what did that sniveling O'sneery do, announce he was adding one euro to every passengers bill.

I dislike the man intensely, it will be poetic justice should he become disabled one day.

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And here we alight on a massive truth.

Ryanair exists because people, millions of them, repeatedly, want to buy their product.

They weren't forced. Nobody taxed them and paid Ryanair to lay on the service. Ryanair never pretended to be nice. No champagne was every advertised.

So why don't you stop moaning about Ryanair and spend 5 minutes bitching about all the total waste of money entities that give cause to irritate you more than little old Ryanair.

I can tell you now that MOL is a HPC reader - well, he'd been here once as I watched over his shoulder but as someone worth £80m in cash he's not overly fascinated.

RentingForever - good, please never book a ticker with Ryanait, we don't want you, don't need you and will be happy for you to live out your amazing life without ever being a customer. Take your little stick. Just take it.

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And here we alight on a massive truth.

Ryanair exists because people, millions of them, repeatedly, want to buy their product.

They weren't forced. Nobody taxed them and paid Ryanair to lay on the service. Ryanair never pretended to be nice. No champagne was every advertised.

So why don't you stop moaning about Ryanair and spend 5 minutes bitching about all the total waste of money entities that give cause to irritate you more than little old Ryanair.

I can tell you now that MOL is a HPC reader - well, he'd been here once as I watched over his shoulder but as someone worth £80m in cash he's not overly fascinated.

RentingForever - good, please never book a ticker with Ryanait, we don't want you, don't need you and will be happy for you to live out your amazing life without ever being a customer. Take your little stick. Just take it.

PS

Tim - you Imply I'm an unsafe pilot and you wish Michael to become a cripple. You're not a nice man are you?

Caribbean - if that was funny it would have worked. It didn't.

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RentingForever - good, please never book a ticker with Ryanait, we don't want you, don't need you and will be happy for you to live out your amazing life without ever being a customer. Take your little stick. Just take it.

Cheers, I'll carry on doing just that, then.

Enjoy the rest of your hate-filled career ferrying people you despise around the world.

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And here we alight on a massive truth.

Ryanair exists because people, millions of them, repeatedly, want to buy their product.

They weren't forced. Nobody taxed them and paid Ryanair to lay on the service. Ryanair never pretended to be nice. No champagne was every advertised.

So why don't you stop moaning about Ryanair and spend 5 minutes bitching about all the total waste of money entities that give cause to irritate you more than little old Ryanair.

I can tell you now that MOL is a HPC reader - well, he'd been here once as I watched over his shoulder but as someone worth £80m in cash he's not overly fascinated.

RentingForever - good, please never book a ticker with Ryanait, we don't want you, don't need you and will be happy for you to live out your amazing life without ever being a customer. Take your little stick. Just take it.

PS

Were you administering a nice shoulder massage to M O Leary? I am sorry to say that he makes me ashamed to be half Irish. On the one hand he is larger than life and different therefore I concede that the world would be a very boring place without characters like him. But on the other hand he is a prize cockend, devoid of empathy or any compassion for anyone but himself (now you will no doubt reel off a list of his charitable acts?). Just like him, you are also very funny, but only to those of us who are not your customers. I pity those who are (my last Ryanair flight was 2002 and I shall not be using them again if I can avoid it)

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Tim - you Imply I'm an unsafe pilot and you wish Michael to become a cripple. You're not a nice man are you?

Caribbean - if that was funny it would have worked. It didn't.

I did not imply you are an unsafe pilot, just like I never introduced champagne and girls, you are an odd one, that's what worries me, you appear terribly stressed out.

I do not wish anyone to be a cripple, I should know, I am one thank you very much, which is why I bought up the wheelchair issue albeit I don't use one now thank God. It would do him good to live in a wheelchair for a week or so, then lets see how that would enlighten him. I think he lacks any humanity, you just come over as needing some help! Sorry if the truth hurts, but you should read what you write, you are an angry person.

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I do. I shall.

Cripples should pay for the extra services they require.

People who don't like our product shouldn't buy it.

Any other earth-shattering matters on the agenda?

PS

A truly nasty man, and I don't fly with them, neither should you, nor any airline!

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Well i disagree with you on that. I believe Ryanair were the legal entity that made the buzz employees redundant so parp. If a legal eagle want's to come along and say otherwise so be it.

However you're quite right about redundancies elsewhere in the business

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business...e-14344978.html

So erm ..... If you close your eyes and says its not a redundancy then maybe it isn't, it's whatever you want it to be.

Yay !

Depends really on the nature of the alternative positions offered. If they constituted Suitable Alternative Employment - and thus substantially similar terms and conditions (pay and status) then refusal could be treated by the employer as a resignation and thus no entitlement to a redundancy payment.

For example if Peter were a Buzz Bus Driver (on 40 hours a week and £50K with the job title Squadron leader) and was taken over by Ryanair who matched his salary but contractually was required to work 42 hours and with a new title of air fleet commander) then he would have little ground to argue the position was diminished / or a sustantive reduction in pay.

Alternatively if MOL said - heres a job loading luggage on half the pay - then PS would have a decent case to claim redundancy - and possibly unfair dismissal depending on the circumstances.

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Pour yourself a stiff drink then watch this worrying video about how cheapie Ryanair cuts corners with safety:

Lots of airlines cut corners with safety. But when they make so many enemies as Ryanair has done, they are far more likely to be "outed" as in videos like this.

Ultimately the trickle will become a flood, people will wise up and use cheap airlines which are at least safe and, err, friendly.

Ryanair is doomed. It may take 5 or 10 years, but doomed for sure

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Oh my god - I'm terrified. Some anonymous people on the internet have made unsubstantiated claims of a technical nature against my employer with no facts, evidence or testimony to back it up. Excuse me whilst I step outside to piss myself and run around waving my arms in the air hysterically.

Muppets.

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Are you sure your a pilot, it's just you don't come over as a person who has what it takes, well balanced being one issue!

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Ryanair is doomed. It may take 5 or 10 years, but doomed for sure

I think this is correct. My father is irish, and automaticly used Ryan Air without hesitation every time he went over to see his relatives- untll now.

The reason is that he found the whole process of booking the flight so painful and irritating he chose to pay a little more to avoid the hassle in future.

Ryan air will nickel and dime their userbase to distraction and eventualy piss them off on a large enough scale to impact their profitability.

Cheap is good, but not when the simple excercise of booking a flight is sliced and diced into a byzantine nightmare of surcharges or added costs, with more twists and turns than an agatha christie murder mystery.

O'learys lack of empthy may be his undoing- he will not realise that the process of price discovery involved in using his service is liable to leave a distictly sour taste- not because his prices are high, but because watching your initial low cost accumulate it's legion of petty additions as you run through the the process makes you feel as if you have been ripped off anyway.

So the price is right- but the psychology sucks big time.

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Are you sure your a pilot, it's just you don't come over as a person who has what it takes, well balanced being one issue!

Sadly, after seeing the watching the Dispatches video that Caribbean Beauty posted (thanks for that), I rather believe that he is. All the pilots on the film display the same attitude, in fact it seems to permeate the whole company - you buy the ticket for peanuts (not always true) and in return we don't give a flying feck about you.

In a way it's a brave experiment - can you run a company that dispenses with all customer service and treats customers with open contempt? I guess it's working so far (the obvious price being passenger and crew sanity!) but is it sustainable? Are there that many mugs and masochists out there?

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As a rule I generally disregard what people say and concentrate on what people do. The business model used by all airlines is based on continuous growth, for the low cost passenger numbers need to rise by twice the rate of increase in GDP. Like a shark airlines need to keep swimming to stay alive.

At the moment Ryanair is busy financing the "Yes" vote for the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty (what again, I thought the Irish people had already voted NO). Anyway, for the privilege of helping remove democracy from the Emerald Isle the European Parliament will surely look the other way when it comes to the merger of Aer Lingus and Ryanair. A monopoly position is something that is encouraged these days and the competition commission is very flexible as business after business finds itself in difficulties.

Anyway, I know enough Ryanair employees to know that they are mostly normal people. I have yet to meet one that wants to work for Ryanair and most are seeking alternative employment. But then high employee "churn" is expected and encouraged, staying more than 5 years upsets MOL.

As for PS, well, he is simply using an old marketing trick called "information cascade", in essence if you repeat something often enough it must be true. Apple are very adept at it but the best proponents are the banks in that they have persuaded us that the financial system is somehow much less transient than it is.

Ryanair won't survive, Easyjet won't survive, neither will BA, Virgin, Lufty, JAL, or Air France. They will each follow a trajectory that is as unique as a human being. They are born, they live, they die.

Clever accountancy and subsidies only work in the short term.

I have flown Ryanair, but I don't use them very often as they are surprisingly expensive. For some reason (which I am unable to fathom) people think that £100, is more than £50 + £20 + £10 + £15 + £8 + £3. Clever marketing always impresses me but I studied it to degree level so I know most of the tricks of the trade.

MOL, like Freddie Laker will walk away a very wealthy man, and at the end of the day that is the object of the exercise, long term is not in the plan.

p.s. Fly whilst you can people, it's about to become the preserve of the elite once again.

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OK. Clearly you're retard who cannot understand the simple fact that Ryanair has never made a single pilot redundant.

I don't close my eyes unless I'm drifting off to sleep at night happy and secure in the lucrative employment of Europes most profitable airline.

Tim. Without us your 14 stone sack of guts doesn't get from A to B so forgive me for not being grateful and not caring if you enjoyed the service. Its like a bus. Or a train. Its merely tawdry public transport. Just why it should be 'free' champagne, gorgeous girls and humidors is a mystery. Airports should be like bus terminals. Cheap, functional, tolerably miserable.

It public transport.

Any hint of romance was pummeled to death 40 years ago.

PS

your a donkey

you maybe fly a plane, but obviously have no basic legal knowledge

If ryanair took over Buzz, of course it was them who made the staff redundant -

they would be the majority shareholder/parent

your answer is a bit like saying ryanair dont pay you, but the wee girl who passes you, your pay slip

(don't fly ryanair - closest ryanair airport 150 miles away so no worth the travel, local one 15 mins away with international connections)

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Sadly, after seeing the watching the Dispatches video that Caribbean Beauty posted (thanks for that), I rather believe that he is. All the pilots on the film display the same attitude, in fact it seems to permeate the whole company - you buy the ticket for peanuts (not always true) and in return we don't give a flying feck about you.

In a way it's a brave experiment - can you run a company that dispenses with all customer service and treats customers with open contempt? I guess it's working so far (the obvious price being passenger and crew sanity!) but is it sustainable? Are there that many mugs and masochists out there?

Sadly I think Peter might be worried his boss is reading what he writes. You are totally correct, the airline is No 1 when it comes to despising it's customer base, I can not think of any other airline that so openly deserves to go belly up. I can't think of any other airline that would please so many if it went under. It does not matter if you think they are a good airline or not, just having so many who would rejoice in it's downfall is nothing to be proud of. I think we both feel you can only keep going for so long, then the inevitable happens. Ryan air does not have a monopoly, it's not as if you must choose them, lets see how they do in this downturn, I get the feeling the press are getting anti Ryan air now. Peter, I'll have large fries with that!

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