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On 08/02/2020 at 21:30, longgone said:

To be fair I thought it would Go around 420k

They will sell for 500k

Crazy but that's it

 

This is the 'house at all costs' syndrome that prevails in Kingston and surrounds, especially since they have thrown up so many new build flats.

Most people moving to the area prefer to live in houses rather than flats, and that is quite natural especially considering a lot are moving out of London to make that change.

In this case, most people would actually be better off with a flat. This is on a really major road that hums with traffic all the time. A lot of the time, there will be standing traffic jams in both directions right outside the front window.

That might be ok if you got some advantages in return, but you don't. It is on an industrial estate full for car dealerships and self-storage sheds, it's a long walk to Surbiton or Thames Ditton station, a really long walk to Kingston centre and no reasonable shops or facilities at all.

It's also only 710 sqft. With £350k to spend, I'd buy a flat, probably bigger with less work required on a better road with access to amenities. 

As you say, this has been bought to turn a quick buck, and I'm sure there will be people waiting to give them their profit.

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On 10/02/2020 at 09:44, worried1 said:

This is the 'house at all costs' syndrome that prevails in Kingston and surrounds, especially since they have thrown up so many new build flats.

Most people moving to the area prefer to live in houses rather than flats, and that is quite natural especially considering a lot are moving out of London to make that change.

In this case, most people would actually be better off with a flat. This is on a really major road that hums with traffic all the time. A lot of the time, there will be standing traffic jams in both directions right outside the front window.

That might be ok if you got some advantages in return, but you don't. It is on an industrial estate full for car dealerships and self-storage sheds, it's a long walk to Surbiton or Thames Ditton station, a really long walk to Kingston centre and no reasonable shops or facilities at all.

It's also only 710 sqft. With £350k to spend, I'd buy a flat, probably bigger with less work required on a better road with access to amenities. 

As you say, this has been bought to turn a quick buck, and I'm sure there will be people waiting to give them their profit.

You can say house at all costs about most houses in the area they are all tiny houses 3 bed semis at 1000ft are tiny in my book but they want 750 to a million quid for that. Houses are a utter joke. Seeing how krap the trains are now I really do fail to see what the attraction is.

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13 hours ago, longgone said:

You can say house at all costs about most houses in the area they are all tiny houses 3 bed semis at 1000ft are tiny in my book but they want 750 to a million quid for that. Houses are a utter joke. Seeing how krap the trains are now I really do fail to see what the attraction is.

A lot of people will see the train problems as a blip and it won't affect their decision to move.

Look at all of the stuff we heard about the Southern franchise a few years ago, with people actually considering moving out of areas because the trains had been so bad for so long. You don't hear anything about that now, it's all SWR.

In reality the problems for SWR are much more serious because of the extreme overcrowding that will continue to get worse even after they replace the current failing franchisee, but still some people will assume it will be sorted out, and they'll just look at the 15 minute train journey imagining they'll be in London as quickly as they were when they were living in zone 2.

It's the same with all of the other public services. Kingston is changing from a low density suburb into a high-rise centre like Croydon and it just isn't possible to service that many residents with the same number of roads, schools and health facilities that they had in the low density suburb.

Again, people often don't think about that until they have made the move.

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26 minutes ago, worried1 said:

A lot of people will see the train problems as a blip and it won't affect their decision to move.

Look at all of the stuff we heard about the Southern franchise a few years ago, with people actually considering moving out of areas because the trains had been so bad for so long. You don't hear anything about that now, it's all SWR.

In reality the problems for SWR are much more serious because of the extreme overcrowding that will continue to get worse even after they replace the current failing franchisee, but still some people will assume it will be sorted out, and they'll just look at the 15 minute train journey imagining they'll be in London as quickly as they were when they were living in zone 2.

It's the same with all of the other public services. Kingston is changing from a low density suburb into a high-rise centre like Croydon and it just isn't possible to service that many residents with the same number of roads, schools and health facilities that they had in the low density suburb.

Again, people often don't think about that until they have made the move.

it`s quite shocking how many flats are due they will be basically unsalable in the future hence why i said couple of years back you need to be near a tube line really  i would be happy to pay 300k for a flat near a tube in a decent area in an older block. 

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On 13/02/2020 at 12:39, worried1 said:

A lot of people will see the train problems as a blip and it won't affect their decision to move.

Look at all of the stuff we heard about the Southern franchise a few years ago, with people actually considering moving out of areas because the trains had been so bad for so long. You don't hear anything about that now, it's all SWR.

In reality the problems for SWR are much more serious because of the extreme overcrowding that will continue to get worse even after they replace the current failing franchisee, but still some people will assume it will be sorted out, and they'll just look at the 15 minute train journey imagining they'll be in London as quickly as they were when they were living in zone 2.

It's the same with all of the other public services. Kingston is changing from a low density suburb into a high-rise centre like Croydon and it just isn't possible to service that many residents with the same number of roads, schools and health facilities that they had in the low density suburb.

Again, people often don't think about that until they have made the move.

I agree with this. I've posted on this thread in the past because some of our target areas for our next upgrade house were in SW London areas such as Kingston, Thames Ditton, Walton, etc.

I own a house in another SW London area and was wanting something larger. I also hated the train service but thinking more clearly, why would I just move to another (albeit nicer) area on the same network. SWT make my life miserable.

So now we're looking to sell and move elsewhere, preferably on a tube network, possibly more East. SW London is nice, I really like the areas, but the train service is making it intolerable. 

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2 hours ago, dugsbody said:

I agree with this. I've posted on this thread in the past because some of our target areas for our next upgrade house were in SW London areas such as Kingston, Thames Ditton, Walton, etc.

I own a house in another SW London area and was wanting something larger. I also hated the train service but thinking more clearly, why would I just move to another (albeit nicer) area on the same network. SWT make my life miserable.

So now we're looking to sell and move elsewhere, preferably on a tube network, possibly more East. SW London is nice, I really like the areas, but the train service is making it intolerable. 

SWT has been worse than the trains in South East London for years - since at least 2000.

I am amazed that they are still like this.

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On 13/02/2020 at 14:04, EagleMills said:

Kingston is overpriced.  It has a rep for being smarter than other southern suburbs but im happier in Croydon and prices are (slightly) more sensible.

The prices are more to do with the individual parts of the area than the area as a whole. There are parts of Croydon that are better than many parts of Kingston, but they'll be priced to match.

In Kingston, if you want to be in the parts that are attracting London money (near station, town centre, river, parks etc) it will cost you a lot of money. Move out to the back end of Berrylands, Tolworth, New Malden etc. and it will be much cheaper.

That's why we are seeing bog standard semis at up to £1.5m in some roads and very similar houses at less than £500k just a mile or so away. The more expensive areas are definitely well overpriced, but this is driven by money coming down from even more overpriced central areas in London.

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Apologies for the depressing update, but I was shocked at this one.

We've long been used to 30s semis on the Surbiton river roads and certain roads in north Kingston, but it now appears that Lingfield Avenue is trying to move into that bracket:

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-68455983.html

This is on a busy road (and bus route) between Surbiton and Kingston without being particularly convenient for either. There are pretty much zero local facilities apart from a Co-op at the end of the road, so this is living with the downsides of suburbia without getting many of the convenience benefits.

It's 1,500sqft, but is still advertised as a 5 bedroom house. The floorplan admits that one of these 'bedrooms' is an office and two of the others are below 10' long/wide. Money has been spent, but this certainly won't be to everybody's taste

£1.1m must be one of the highest asking prices I've seen for what you get here.

 

 

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3 hours ago, worried1 said:

Apologies for the depressing update, but I was shocked at this one.

We've long been used to 30s semis on the Surbiton river roads and certain roads in north Kingston, but it now appears that Lingfield Avenue is trying to move into that bracket:

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-68455983.html

This is on a busy road (and bus route) between Surbiton and Kingston without being particularly convenient for either. There are pretty much zero local facilities apart from a Co-op at the end of the road, so this is living with the downsides of suburbia without getting many of the convenience benefits.

It's 1,500sqft, but is still advertised as a 5 bedroom house. The floorplan admits that one of these 'bedrooms' is an office and two of the others are below 10' long/wide. Money has been spent, but this certainly won't be to everybody's taste

£1.1m must be one of the highest asking prices I've seen for what you get here.

 

 

Not much difference really

Look at the previous sold prices.

I will never understand why anyone would pay that to share a wall in an area with terrible transport.

Much better places to live with better transport links for the same or less. I wish I Knew what the attraction Was.

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11 minutes ago, longgone said:

Not much difference really

Look at the previous sold prices.

I will never understand why anyone would pay that to share a wall in an area with terrible transport.

Much better places to live with better transport links for the same or less. I wish I Knew what the attraction Was.

It looks as though the same house sold for £780k back in 2013 and that is the highest yet for that type of house. The ones that have sold for more are much bigger/nicer Victorian semis at the Surbiton end of the road. They still suffer with the same location problem though.

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On 14/01/2020 at 08:54, worried1 said:

It's a complete mess. All of the sites you mentioned have planned development, but the big one that everyone is fighting at the moment is on the car park behind the station, opposite the bingo hall. They have submitted plans for a 25 storey tower block there, which is the tallest yet.

HTB is the problem of course. Developers are trying to get as many flats built as possible before it is withdrawn or scaled back. The longer it goes on, the harder it will be to stop it. It is just an ongoing bail-out for property developers and could end up being the biggest ever.

Meanwhile it doesn't help anyone else, especially in places like Kingston where the council have made the conscious decision to change from a medium density commuter suburb to a high density mess WITHOUT bothering to pay for any infrastructure to make it work.

Isn't much of the development predicated on Crossrail 2 coming down the track - thus giving Kingston direct trains to Oxford Street, VIctoria and Euston? Shame the service won't start until the 2040s if ever!

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10 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

Isn't much of the development predicated on Crossrail 2 coming down the track - thus giving Kingston direct trains to Oxford Street, VIctoria and Euston? Shame the service won't start until the 2040s if ever!

The even bigger problem with Crossrail 2 is that there isn't actually any new infrastructure built past Wimbledon. It is essentially a new link between Wimbledon and Alexandra Palace (a good thing) which then connects to the existing infrastructure further out.

So Kingston will get trains that go to a greater variety of London destinations, but this will be at the expense of some of the current SWR services. It's actually Surbiton that is worst hit because that will suffer the most SWR cuts.

All of these flats are being built now, but Crossrail 2 might never happen, if it does it won't be for at least another 20 years and even then won't provide significant extra capacity.

That's fine for the property developers of course, but not really for anyone else.

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14 hours ago, worried1 said:

The even bigger problem with Crossrail 2 is that there isn't actually any new infrastructure built past Wimbledon. It is essentially a new link between Wimbledon and Alexandra Palace (a good thing) which then connects to the existing infrastructure further out.

So Kingston will get trains that go to a greater variety of London destinations, but this will be at the expense of some of the current SWR services. It's actually Surbiton that is worst hit because that will suffer the most SWR cuts.

All of these flats are being built now, but Crossrail 2 might never happen, if it does it won't be for at least another 20 years and even then won't provide significant extra capacity.

That's fine for the property developers of course, but not really for anyone else.

Can't see this government seeing merit in spending £40 billion to improve commuting times in Lib Dem voting south west London and Labour voting Tottenham and Islington.

My bet is Crossrail 2 is going nowhere - its not politically sellable in the new world of levelling up!.

So enjoy those new builds in Kingston and Surbiton and horrible overcrowded commutes for decades to come!

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7 hours ago, MARTINX9 said:

Can't see this government seeing merit in spending £40 billion to improve commuting times in Lib Dem voting south west London and Labour voting Tottenham and Islington.

My bet is Crossrail 2 is going nowhere - its not politically sellable in the new world of levelling up!.

So enjoy those new builds in Kingston and Surbiton and horrible overcrowded commutes for decades to come!

Indeed. It will probably hang around for years like HS2 and Heathrow expansion, but unlike those projects it will be rejected eventually.

This has the benefit of giving partial justification for over-development whilst CR2 is a possibility and then when it is finally rejected it will be too late.

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Here's my favourites this week.

This one is on  the corner of the same road as the house from a couple of weeks ago. It's between the two towns and this one sits right on a busy light-controlled junction which means the buyer will be treated to noise and pollution all the time.

I'm not sure how we've got to £425k for a flat which is small enough for even the EA to describe it as 'homely'. 500sqft is about the minimum a 1 bed flat should be, but this one is eaves-affected making the usable space much smaller.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-68697381.html

 

The second one is another example of people wanting a house rather than a flat at all costs. The location on this one is very good, but they are asking £675k for a 700sqft house with no chance of enlarging.

Worse still, the upstairs room is described as a 'loft room' rather than a bedroom which means that it probably hasn't been done to the correct specification to be officially used.

There is very little outside space, so why would potential buyers not just buy themselves a bigger flat and save £200k+?

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-68633625.html

 

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5 hours ago, worried1 said:

Here's my favourites this week.

This one is on  the corner of the same road as the house from a couple of weeks ago. It's between the two towns and this one sits right on a busy light-controlled junction which means the buyer will be treated to noise and pollution all the time.

I'm not sure how we've got to £425k for a flat which is small enough for even the EA to describe it as 'homely'. 500sqft is about the minimum a 1 bed flat should be, but this one is eaves-affected making the usable space much smaller.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-68697381.html

 

The second one is another example of people wanting a house rather than a flat at all costs. The location on this one is very good, but they are asking £675k for a 700sqft house with no chance of enlarging.

Worse still, the upstairs room is described as a 'loft room' rather than a bedroom which means that it probably hasn't been done to the correct specification to be officially used.

There is very little outside space, so why would potential buyers not just buy themselves a bigger flat and save £200k+?

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-68633625.html

 

nice 300k that last one 

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26 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

I could live there, I really like it.

But definitely not at that price.

We looked at this flat the last time it was on the market (2013/2014).  Gorgeous flat, lots of space (awkward to get up to the outside space) however the mutual hallway and stairway and maintenance of those areas were a disgrace. The service charges were large so goodness knows what they were doing with the cash.

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