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Just emailed to me by Primelocation, A* candidate for this week's 'Most Overpriced' prize:

http://www.primelocation.com/uk-property-f...1&skipreg=1

Looks like some blithely optimistic nutter trying to offload a rental.

It's even better in person. If you are unlucky enough to live there on the ground floor your 'balcony' would be the main street that people use for one of the major car parks in the area! Also, Saturday nights must be good late at night hearing the dulcet tones of someone expelling their kebab!

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Info on flats in the same building were bring sent to me last year for between £325-345K. From memory all electric so landlords don't need to pay for yearly gas checks.

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I can well imagine this. So overpriced and not a great building. Methinks the views only start from the fourth floor upwards and on two sides only. Does anyone know someone who lives there?

I am sure the 'better' flats in this block were up for the best part of £400k when new. This is the problem with new developments in Kingston in general - all of them think that they can achieve the same sort of prices as 'Charter Quay' which is a well positioned development right by the river.

This block might only be a few hundred yards away from Charter Quay, but that means you have no direct access/views of the river, you are right on top of a massive car park, Kingston College and a small council estate.

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I have never really understood why Teddington is so expensive. It is a nice area (more of the original victorian architecture, with not as much ugly modern infill as Kingston or Surbiton), but I think the reason that people live in suburban areas is a quick link to London and easy access to everything else. Teddington has a 35+ minute train journey into Waterloo, and for any real shopping or facilities it is a bus ride/drive into Richmond or Kingston.

Also, the 2 mile distance does make a big difference to the aircraft noise, which seems much worse in Teddington.

I guess it is just the look & feel of the area and it's reptation that keep prices higher.

Well me and Symo's GF used to live together in Teddington and we loved it. It just has a much nicer feel about the place and you can go out and get mullered and not get mugged on the way home. Symo's gf has moved back their owing to work and she loves it.

You must remember though we have lived in Rayners Lane, Brixton and South Norwood.

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Well me and Symo's GF used to live together in Teddington and we loved it. It just has a much nicer feel about the place and you can go out and get mullered and not get mugged on the way home. Symo's gf has moved back their owing to work and she loves it.

You must remember though we have lived in Rayners Lane, Brixton and South Norwood.

I work in Teddington and have done for the last 16 years, It`s a great place to work and an area that I always wanted to live in, unfortunately my view has changed soley because you will get better value for your money in other areas.

I have no issue with the noise of aeroplanes as I lived in Fulham for 27 years on a busy main road directly under the same Heathrow flight path. I just do not notice them anymore :blink:

Bushy Park Teddington is beautiful and a complete escape from it all, The riverside for the pubs, plenty of history in and around Teddington and a reasonably safe place to live.

Overpriced for the priveledge unfortunately

Bosh

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I checked out Kingston on the BBC property prices site:

Change last year: +6.7%

Change last quarter: -6.0%

Any bets on change for next quarter?

No because they are meaningless figures.

They don't "mix adjust", which means that all transactions are averaged regardless of what sort of property they are. So a large number of flats or a large number of big expensive houses will skew the figures from one month to the next.

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Decided to test the market with one of my houses in Surbiton at the beginning of the year so I can confirm that the market is as dead here as the rest of the country. Had 2 viewings in three months so I pulled it from the market and found new tenants instead.

Interestingly at no time did any of the agents I consulted advise me to significantly lower the price to achieve a sale. They all just shrugged and said that there were just no buyers in the market at the moment, thereby giving the impression that no matter how much the price was lowered by there would still be no interest. To be honest, I suspect the apathy was due in part to their knowledge that I was quite prepared to let the house once again.

With regards to the rental versus the sales market - I had real problems finding suitable tenants back in 2002 for this house during the sales boom and had to lower the rent by ~10% to attract suitable tenants. This time around I had no problems finding suitable tenants and achieved a let 7% above my expectation. Now I know many renters on this site will argue that rents are coming down along with house prices, but my anecdotal experience in this area is the opposite. From my experience rental demand is currently very high in this area and this may well save a lot of amateur BTL landlord’s hides for a little while longer. I even had one joker of a lettings agent advising me to set the rent at 20% more than I’m currently letting the house for.

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We are renting in Kingston and I was in speaking with our EA this week. I started discussing the housing market and he told me that he felt so sorry for the sales division as they were completely demoralised with no sales going through. He said they were still showing viewers round but no one was buying. Said that sellers were now telling agents to make sure that viewers would be in a position to buy before showing them properties (how on earth do they do that ???!!).

He then said that at this time of the year the larger properties for rent in Kingston (£2k per month plus) would be being rented by relocating business people (especially Germans due to the vicinity of the German school etc). This is not happening yet!

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We are renting in Kingston and I was in speaking with our EA this week. I started discussing the housing market and he told me that he felt so sorry for the sales division as they were completely demoralised with no sales going through. He said they were still showing viewers round but no one was buying. Said that sellers were now telling agents to make sure that viewers would be in a position to buy before showing them properties (how on earth do they do that ???!!).

He then said that at this time of the year the larger properties for rent in Kingston (£2k per month plus) would be being rented by relocating business people (especially Germans due to the vicinity of the German school etc). This is not happening yet!

Where we live in KT2 a number of the houses have always been corporate lets, and have tended to go to German families, since it's handy for the school, with R park very close. We rented ours out for around 8 yrs while living in the Gulf - they were always pretty easy to rent* and I believe still are, as long as they're sensibly priced. I do think there's a shortage in the area of reasonable family houses for rent (I'm not talking about the sort of houses that sell for £2M+) whereas flats seem to be ten a penny at the moment.

There's one up for rent at the moment - seems somewhat overpriced to me so will be interested to see how long it takes to go. Pity there's no rental equiv.

of nethouseprices!

*One of our tenants nicked a whole load of Mr Bear's ancient Dinky toys, though, which we were daft enough to leave in the loft. Still very cross about that. :angry:

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...As for the aircraft noise...it's usually around 9.30-10 when it becomes annoying!

I live in Surbiton and we don't get aircraft noise.

Think about it - the wind prevails from the South West, planes take off and land into the wind, we are South East of Heathrow. The runways are and can only ever be aligned East to West. How can we be overflown exept by a few stray planes which are neither taking off or landing?

We are upwind of the landing zones - if you want noise stand in Kew Gardens or Hammersmith Wetlands - and if you want us to be drenched in avaiation fuel, tough, because the wind blows it over towards Hammersmith. Instead we get purest heather and lavender from the Surrey Hills.

Best of all Surbiton's name keeps the riff raff out!

Actually it is a properly balanced town with a vibrant working class and a unique mix of buildings and trees. Wimbledon and Kingston both rejected the railway and forced it out into the fields. In Wimbledon the railway became the industrial part of town, in Kingston it became the posh end with Thomas Pooley's beautiful villas.

So there!

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I live in Surbiton and we don't get aircraft noise.

Think about it - the wind prevails from the South West, planes take off and land into the wind, we are South East of Heathrow. The runways are and can only ever be aligned East to West. How can we be overflown exept by a few stray planes which are neither taking off or landing?

We are upwind of the landing zones - if you want noise stand in Kew Gardens or Hammersmith Wetlands - and if you want us to be drenched in avaiation fuel, tough, because the wind blows it over towards Hammersmith. Instead we get purest heather and lavender from the Surrey Hills.

Best of all Surbiton's name keeps the riff raff out!

Actually it is a properly balanced town with a vibrant working class and a unique mix of buildings and trees. Wimbledon and Kingston both rejected the railway and forced it out into the fields. In Wimbledon the railway became the industrial part of town, in Kingston it became the posh end with Thomas Pooley's beautiful villas.

So there!

Troy....

What have you been sniffing??? Maybe the heather eh!?

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*One of our tenants nicked a whole load of Mr Bear's ancient Dinky toys, though, which we were daft enough to leave in the loft. Still very cross about that. :angry:

Were they on the inventory? The tenant might have assumed a previous tenant had left them unless told otherwise. We've lived in several rented properties and found plenty of items left by others that weren't on the inventory (kitchen equipment, crockery, glasses, jewellery, prints, remote controls - some got fwded on and some thrown out).

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Were they on the inventory? The tenant might have assumed a previous tenant had left them unless told otherwise. We've lived in several rented properties and found plenty of items left by others that weren't on the inventory (kitchen equipment, crockery, glasses, jewellery, prints, remote controls - some got fwded on and some thrown out).

No, not on the inventory - they were packed up in boxes in a not-very-accessible loft, so it was deliberate theft on the tenants' part. We had a very good letting agent - they could easily have asked if they'd wanted to. However it was a few years before we realized they were gone and couldn't be sure who out of the last 3 lots of tenants had nicked them. Particularly annoying since we were always good landlords who invariably agreed at once to anything they asked for.

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I live in Surbiton and we don't get aircraft noise.

I agree with most of your post, but this is not strictly true. I live by the river in Surbiton, and heard the first plane 'banking' this morning at 6.50am. Admittedly, the noise was not overly obtrusive, and was heightened by the fact I had my window wide open and there was no road traffic noise at all.

It is very rare that aircraft noise actually bothers me in Surbiton, but it might be a concern for someone who moves here from the countryside.

In reality, Surbiton is part of outer London, and I don't think anyone could reasonably expact to live here and be 100% unaffected by air/car/train noise - this is not possible in an urban area. For it's location, however, I think it is extremely quiet, suffering less from aircract noise than most of the rest of West and South West London. Even lots of the towns further out into Surrey, Kent and Sussex suffer more from the Gatwick noise.

As for aviation fuel, I don't think you would ever detect it at the high altitude the planes are when they fly over this area.

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It is very rare that aircraft noise actually bothers me in Surbiton, but it might be a concern for someone who moves here from the countryside.

But planes fly everywhere - at least we don't have the Red Arrows practicing over us like they do in Cornwall. We have relatives in deepest Kent and you can hear a motorbike miles away on the distant main road, then the doppler effect as it passes ever...so...gradually out of earshot.

I wake up to the reassuring sound of the A3 meaning good weather and plenty of fumes. If we can hear the incredible bomb-shell sound of take-off at Heathrow that is a North Westerly - wrap up well.

The person in this thread who thinks Putney is better because you can drive to London half an hour quicker (or whatever it is) is mad...who in their right mind drives to London?

For the places you *do* have to drive to Surbiton is better because you are already most of the way there - you can probably walk the rest!

16 minutes to Waterloo by train, 15 minutes to the M25 south or west, 20 minutes to Hampton Court by paddle steamer, no mud, no dead cats. Eat your heart out Putney!

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This is a 'new low' in prices for this type in this area (KT2, Tudor Drive): cheapest until now was just under £400K.

Maybe a probate sale - evidently needs doing up since no internal photos. 3rd bed on these is tiddly, but this is an end terrace with potential to extend. Plus they have reasonable gardens, as well as being close to 3 good primaries.

http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.a...p;agentid=00133

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Lots of people in Kingston today and loads of sales on.

Tonight, a walk by the Thames passing by the usual pubs. Almost all are empty. I know it's a Sunday and there was a certain classic tennis match on but I haven't seen it this quiet for a long time. Even the swans looked lonely!

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Lots of people in Kingston today and loads of sales on.

Tonight, a walk by the Thames passing by the usual pubs. Almost all are empty. I know it's a Sunday and there was a certain classic tennis match on but I haven't seen it this quiet for a long time. Even the swans looked lonely!

Lots of people window shopping, but not buying.

Some of the better value mega pubs seems to be doing OK (eg JD Wetherspoons which does have cheap beer and food whilst giving reasonablee quality), but a lot of the chavvy type bars seem to be closing early as I guess they are not getting enough customers.

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http://www.smartnewhomes.com/property/Deta...aspx#img1876302

"Trinity reach is set in Kingston-upon-Thames, one of the most desirable and prosperous areas in southwest London, which has long been the retreat of royalty, the wealthy and the artistic. Just a mile from the vibrant centre of Kingston, yards from Old Father Thames, you’ll discover our stylish new development"

Discuss...

Today I had shoved through my letterbox the Surrey property-porn mag 'Real Estates'.

In it is a half page ad for this Trinity Reach development - orig. price £2.2M, down to £1.9 a while ago.

Ad now reads:

'MAKE US AN OFFER WE CAN'T REFUSE ON SELECTED PLOTS FOR END OF AUGUST COMPLETION.

PRICE GUIDE £1,690,000

Not that they're getting desperate or anything...

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Today I had shoved through my letterbox the Surrey property-porn mag 'Real Estates'.

In it is a half page ad for this Trinity Reach development - orig. price £2.2M, down to £1.9 a while ago.

Ad now reads:

'MAKE US AN OFFER WE CAN'T REFUSE ON SELECTED PLOTS FOR END OF AUGUST COMPLETION.

PRICE GUIDE £1,690,000

Not that they're getting desperate or anything...

Today I phoned up about a house I've been watching...KT2..Ham end of Kingston, river side road. Originally £845 (ish...can't remember exactly). Reduced £795. Reduced £775. Agent said to me "between you and me he would accept £700k". NEVER, EVER, trust an EA. This is the first time this man has spoken to me and he's supposed to be working for the seller. Disgusting. I actually felt sorry for the seller. The house is on with multiple agencies and they are all obviously trying to win the sale.

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Today I phoned up about a house I've been watching...KT2..Ham end of Kingston, river side road. Originally £845 (ish...can't remember exactly). Reduced £795. Reduced £775. Agent said to me "between you and me he would accept £700k". NEVER, EVER, trust an EA. This is the first time this man has spoken to me and he's supposed to be working for the seller. Disgusting. I actually felt sorry for the seller. The house is on with multiple agencies and they are all obviously trying to win the sale.

I just looked on FAP - if it's the Lower Ham Road one, overlooking the river, I'm surprised it hasn't sold. Lovely location, unless of course you're Paddles. ;) and those houses don't come up very often.

At the other end of KT2, this one was originally on at £265K, just now down to £219,950.

As I think I've said before, these look pretty hideous from the outside, but nice location/views and much bigger than the average 2-bed.

http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.a...p;agentid=00720

I'm still expecting the KoT flat market to implode by Christmas.

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I just looked on FAP - if it's the Lower Ham Road one, overlooking the river, I'm surprised it hasn't sold. Lovely location, unless of course you're Paddles. ;) and those houses don't come up very often.

It is interesting to look at the plans for this development:

http://maps.kingston.gov.uk/

06/12427/FUL

215 RICHMOND ROAD TURRET HOUSE AND 38 ALBANY PARK ROAD KINGSTON UPON THAMES

"Erection of 4 storey building.comprising of 23x1 bed, 25x2 bed, 5x3 bed flats & 2 x studio flats (19 affordable units) with basement car park and access from Albany Park Road. Erection of 6x3 storey, 5 bed semi detached houses in Albany Park Road".

Starting from pag 118 of 291 (yes I know!) you have its Savill's Development Control Toolkit, with all the info you could ever need as an aspiring developer. These Albany Park Road houses are priced in at a mere £900k so there is still some profit to be made :)

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