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A fundamental overhaul of the support given to workers who are off work through illness is needed, a government adviser says.

Dame Carol Black, the national director for health and work, said ill-health was costing the economy £100bn a year. Her report, commissioned by ministers, called for a new fit-note system as well as fit for work schemes embedded in the NHS to help people back to work.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7297174.stm

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Okey dokey, but firstly ...

"A fundamental overhaul of the support given to non-workers who are off work through sheer laziness is needed."

There's a reason they are called the Labour party and it is about f*&king time they dealt with the long term unemployable dole scroungers before considering what to do about the people that are severely over-worked and under-paid.

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Okey dokey, but firstly ...

"A fundamental overhaul of the support given to non-workers who are off work through sheer laziness is needed."

There's a reason they are called the Labour party and it is about f*&king time they dealt with the long term unemployable dole scroungers before considering what to do about the people that are severely over-worked and under-paid.

its in a workers benefit that some people dont work.

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No it isn't.

If they force people to work in a declining economy your wages would drop further than they normally would. not enought jobs too many people looking for work.

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if they force people to work in a declining economy your wages would drop further than they normally would.

Yeah, but I wouldn't have to do as much work.

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What the goverment need to do is to create a new scheme, to pay people to go to work - to get them off long term sickie.

What a revelation!

Example for the first year, people are paid £25 per day to get out of bed, turn off daytime TV, to go to work on top of their daily wages.

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What the goverment need to do is to create a new scheme, to pay people to go to work - to get them off long term sickie.

What a revelation!

Example for the first year, people are paid £25 per day to get out of bed, turn off daytime TV, to go to work on top of their daily wages.

All they need to do its limit 1 home per person/ or family and control property prices.

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All they need to do its limit 1 home per person/ or family and control property prices.

Ideally.

But I cant see that happening.... They would rather follow my crazy idea and make the tax payer pay for these hairbrain ideas.

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yes you would, you would be doing more to keep your job.

If some people are being paid not to work by the people who are working, then it's blindingly obvious that it would be better for the workers if the rest worked too. That's all there is to the economics of it. Anything else is just obfuscation.

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If some people are being paid not to work by the people who are working, then it's blindingly obvious that it would be better for the workers if the rest worked too. That's all there is to the economics of it. Anything else is just obfuscation.

when the economy goes into recession people will lose jobs, wages drop. imagine if the people that didnt work were forced to work to live, wages would drop even further because there is more demand for jobs. compnaies would want to reduce their costs as the demand for products will drop thus reducing wages. now a massive influx of forced labour at a time when wages are dropping, employers would have a much larger pool of labour reducing the wages even further.

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The spectre of China and the Far East haunts all of these announcements about how much the UK workforce's various peccadillos cost 'business'. The cattle in the UK are not producing enough milk and they're not producing it cheaply enough so they need to be squeezed a bit harder. Then a lot harder...

It's the only possible outcome of globalisation - Western wages and conditions are levelled out with those of the far east.

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By the way - as the crash is here - expect alot more to get on the sickie now that flipping houses has gone out the window.

Which of course immediately puts those folks on the top of the list of the forthcoming redundancies. Not a good idea if you need the money.

Come on, who really wants to go to work for minimum wage?

You nearly have the right idea there. Try: Who wants to go to work anyway?

That is why cash for benefits instead of vouchers for basic grub and other necessities is a really bad idea... life on the dole can be good if you know how to use all that lovely free time. Is a nice house and a snazzy car really worth all that lifetime you're wasting on work?

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How much of that lost money is due to NHS waiting lists that result in simple problems turning into chronic conditions, or indeed, the point blank refusal to treat some patients who 'do not deserve it' in the eyes of their doctor?

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when the economy goes into recession people will lose jobs, wages drop. imagine if the people that didnt work were forced to work to live, wages would drop even further because there is more demand for jobs. compnaies would want to reduce their costs as the demand for products will drop thus reducing wages. now a massive influx of forced labour at a time when wages are dropping, employers would have a much larger pool of labour reducing the wages even further.

People work to make stuff, they use stuff to live. If I'm making stuff and giving half of it to you for nothing, how could I possibly be worse off if you start making some stuff yourself?

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People work to make stuff, they use stuff to live. If I'm making stuff and giving half of it to you for nothing, how could I possibly be worse off if you start making some stuff yourself?

the price drops of both equal goods.

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When I worked for an American nutcase midwest company, they 'gave' about 10 or 15 days sick leave a year, as a specified amount like your annual leave entitlement.

Because it was an environment where 'face time' in the office early and late was seen to be the mark of a good 'associate' they were enormously unproductive and had to spend time at work doing the 'home' tasks of paying bills and sorting stuff out on a regular basis, when the boss wasn't looking.

Another part of this very sick workplace was that people used to use sick time to make up for this free overtime they all did, and of course to make up for the two week's annual leave they get a year.

What I am trying to illustrate is that there's only so much a person can do and also live a little bit of a family life and people will just kick back in different ways.

It's either that or another way of getting us all into another database so they can monitor people's lives and patterns of behaviour.

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