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'i Needed 20k Deposit' - From Telegraph 08.03.08


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Check the arrogance of this guy. If he hadn't saved a penny why should the bank believe he can afford a £412,000 mortgage?!?

When Phillip McMahon found his ideal home in Balham, south London, he thought all he needed to do was haggle over the price.

Mr McMahon has a good salary as an information technology security adviser in the City, and he did not expect any difficulty in obtaining a 100pc mortgage.

The property was on sale for £420,000 and Mr McMahon was able to haggle the price down to £412,000 but he was less successful when it came to the mortgage, despite using the services of brokers John Charcol.

He explained: "They were very honest and straightforward with me but made it clear that I would just not qualify for a 100pc mortgage. The best they could offer was a 95pc deal from Accord."

That meant Mr McMahon had to find £20,600 as a deposit. He discovered that the deal he was offered – 6.39pc fixed for two years – cost more than he could have paid.

He would have benefited from being able to provide a bigger deposit.

"I was luckier than some people because my father was able to lend me a large slice of what I needed.

"In addition, I did have some money tucked away, though I had hoped to use it to pay for furnishings and the like. It will just take a bit longer to turn the house into a home," he said.

Mr McMahon's girlfriend, Harriet Turner, will be moving in with him soon and they are currently working out what they can – and cannot – afford to do.

Along the way, Mr McMahon has discovered some information about his credit record.

"When I was a student I had debt but have since cleared it and stayed clear of credit and loans."

As a result, some lenders were unsure about lending to me at all – apparently because there was nothing on my record to show I could handle repaying a loan.

"I even found one credit reference agency that did not show me as being on the electoral roll, even though I have voted in all the recent elections."

He has now sorted out all these problems.

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Mr McMahon has a good salary as an information technology security adviser in the City, and he did not expect any difficulty in obtaining a 100pc mortgage.

Consultancy jobs in the city, surely not the most secure job? Why are these people still getting 95% mortgages? I wonder what the multiple is?

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Consultancy jobs in the city, surely not the most secure job? Why are these people still getting 95% mortgages? I wonder what the multiple is?

Doesn't say how old he is either. To be honest I find these stories a bit surreal. As someone who's sensible with money I can't imagine how profligate you would need to be if your income can service a 400k mortgage but can't get your hands on 20k without taking out another loan.

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The property was on sale for £420,000 and Mr McMahon was able to haggle the price down to £412,000 but he was less successful when it came to the mortgage, despite using the services of brokers John Charcol.

He explained: "They were very honest and straightforward with me but made it clear that I would just not qualify for a 100pc mortgage. The best they could offer was a 95pc deal from Accord."

That meant Mr McMahon had to find £20,600 as a deposit. He discovered that the deal he was offered – 6.39pc fixed for two years – cost more than he could have paid.

Isn't it amazing that someone paying 400k for a property doesn't have a 20k deposit?

Aren't these people supposed to be earning big money in London?

What chance does this guy have of ever repaying the loan?

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Doesn't say how old he is either. To be honest I find these stories a bit surreal. As someone who's sensible with money I can't imagine how profligate you would need to be if your income can service a 400k mortgage but can't get your hands on 20k without taking out another loan.

He's 29 I just facebooked him

Employer: Deutsche-Bank Group

Position: VP, Enterprise Security Strategist

Time Period: June 2007 - Present

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Mr McMahon has a good salary as an information technology security adviser in the City, and he did not expect any difficulty in obtaining a 100pc mortgage.

The property was on sale for £420,000 and Mr McMahon was able to haggle the price down to £412,000 but he was less successful when it came to the mortgage, despite using the services of brokers John Charcol.

Job = totally unstable discipline (IT) in a totally unstable industry (the City). No wonder they're cagy about lending him 100%.

A quick check on rightmove suggests 2-bed properties round there start at c. £250K - he will shortly be co-habiting & 2 bedrooms is more than they need. Why must he have a £400K+ place? Ever heard of working up to it, mate?

Daddy steps in with the money = great if you have a rich daddy.

Why can't he lay his hands on £20K in a hurry if he can pull a £400K mortgage? As per a previous poster's point, what's the multiple?

Google his name. Only been in his current job since last June - does the City have 1-year probationary periods?

TBH, my heart pumps p!ss for this guy. It's basically "I earn a decent whack right now, but inexplicably I don't have any to hand to act as a deposit. I was staggered to find that mortgage brokers won't lend me 100%, forcing me (totally unfairly) to have to dip into the expensive furniture / Phillip Starck lemon-juicer / Bang & Olufsen budget. Luckily, Daddy was able to lend me some money."

F*ck him, frankly - over-privileged ponce. There are millions in far worse stead than he is, just trying to get a foothold in property ownership of any sort. But at least we won't be rocking with £150K negative equity in a year or two's time.

This is a total non-story, but it's the Torygraph. The story is basically saying 'the current credit-crunch & imminent HPC are affecting one of us now - panic!"

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Am i missing something here? Security for a bank, and still cant save £20k for a deposit? Not only that, but you'd think someone who worked in a field like IT would have a tiny bit of logic + friends that would point against buying in such uncertain times?!

Something surreal about this article.

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This is a total non-story, but it's the Torygraph. The story is basically saying 'the current credit-crunch & imminent HPC are affecting one of us now - panic!"

I think its saying 'you might think it won't affect you - but you are wrong. Dead wrong. And this is why you're all ******ed. Thank ****** I read HPC and offloaded my portfolio last year.'

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Since when were you into BTL?

I think you missed the bit where I wrote 'I think its saying' :lol:

str jan last year... 60k in the bank. ;) Well... less the unsecured lending from student days... so around 40k... :)

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Here's what he can get for his money via a mortgage and via renting. The cost of an IO mortgage after the deposit is paid is £2084/month but could go to £3914 if interest rates hit 12%, warns the BBC mortgage calculator page. I don't know the area but the house styles are similar and the flat is on a quiet tree lined street, both are near the station.

Mortgage: 2 bed flat

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-170...=1&tr_t=buy

Rent: 3 bed flat

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-197...1&tr_t=rent

2145/month but the interest on the saved deposit will cover the difference

He's keeping his fingers crossed that the prices go up then!

Edit: forgot about stamp duty - another £12360 to find!

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