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Nuclear power is filthy, dangerous and with a rather short life span

Organic food isn't sprayed with crap that gives you cancer

Aromatherapy is very, very relaxing, but cures nothing other than stress related conditions - so an awful lot then!

GM is a funny one, I have no problem with it, but I need to be convinced about how its used.

DDT is nasty, maybe we should try agent orange as well?

Plastic bags that someone on this forum used today will sell on the 30th century's version of eBay. But not for much, cos there'll be so many of them.

Agreed

In a 21st Century context saying DDT works is like saying asbestos works.....

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Well let's hope they embrace some science, but that list has some goodies in it.

Nuculear power should reduce CO2, but it's not renewable. Just a stop gap. Has other issues too of course. Not sure I'd want the waste in my back garden.

With you on organic farming. Not anti organic, in theory, just as it's applied today, which is mainly marketing. Soil association in UK is better than most others though. And organic isn't only about food being "better" (although it's marketed that way) it's also about food creation being more sustainable.

GM crops could save millions from starvation, but they also might not work the way we think they will.

DDT - think I agree.

Plastic bags - people don't recycle them, they just throw them away. Better to use a permanent bag.

Unfortunately, other gems are:

- population growth cannot continue ad infinitum

- nor can economic growth

- society as we know it will end eventually anyway

- there is unlikley to be a heaven, (which of course opens up a rather large can of worms)

- there is unlikely to be a hell

- it is unlikely aliens visit us (and particularly unlikely that their first point of call would be merv in the American Midwest)

- scientology is, at best, a tad improbable

- ethnic profiling works (although for the wrong reasons)

- reflexology is just tickling

- you live longer if you are religious

- er... i'm sure there must be other controversies

:lol: Love it, don't forget those Islington wooftahs and their wacky wooftah ways...........

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Agreed

In a 21st Century context saying DDT works is like saying asbestos works.....

Malaria tends to kill, what, 3 million children under 5 a year, what damage does DDT cause. Inconclusive results in cancer and increased incidence of asthma amongst farmers who used it heavily. Anything that reduces that death rate deserves support .

Nuclear power using breeder reactors which use more common materials are already producing power and reduce the tiny amount of waste present still further by recycling it.

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:lol: Love it, don't forget those Islington wooftahs and their wacky wooftah ways...........

It would be difficult to forget them - they've taken over parliament - Harriet Harman, Jacqui Smith, Margaret Beckett et al to the exclusion of the true, independent thinkers like Frank Field and Kate Hoey.

And that's without accounting for the followers of the wooftah Islingtonians.....like you......

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Malaria tends to kill, what, 3 million children under 5 a year, what damage does DDT cause. Inconclusive results in cancer and increased incidence of asthma amongst farmers who used it heavily. Anything that reduces that death rate deserves support .

Nuclear power using breeder reactors which use more common materials are already producing power and reduce the tiny amount of waste present still further by recycling it.

Which is why its use is still permitted in certain circumstances in the 3rd world

Cmon - it was allot more than occupational asthma. Studies have shown DDT to have a range of neurological, hepatic, and carcinogenic effects.

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I'd like to ask what the environmentalists are actually doing to save the environment (theres a bunch on this thread so you guys must be doing stuff or at least be armed with excuses), and also what exactly is(was) so scary about a .75c increase in global temperature over 100 years anyway.

And also if the earth continues cooling what will you do to stop that???

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I'd like to ask what the environmentalists are actually doing to save the environment (theres a bunch on this thread so you guys must be doing stuff or at least be armed with excuses), and also what exactly is(was) so scary about a .75c increase in global temperature over 100 years anyway.

And also if the earth continues cooling what will you do to stop that???

450mm loft insulation, cavity insulation, condensing boiler, CFl's, solar water heating, pipe insulation, high efficiency applliances. Fruit trees and veg beds, water harvesting, composting and recycling

transport - 50% bus, 30% car, 10% bike, 10% train

Work - mobile / flexible working inititiaves

Friends and family - assisting in insulation / solar water heating projects

HPC - free advice!

BTW - if the earth is cooling am I not in a better position anyway given that demand for fuel will go up?

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450mm loft insulation, cavity insulation, condensing boiler, CFl's, solar water heating, pipe insulation, high efficiency applliances. Fruit trees and veg beds, water harvesting, composting and recycling

transport - 50% bus, 30% car, 10% bike, 10% train

Work - mobile / flexible working inititiaves

Friends and family - assisting in insulation / solar water heating projects

HPC - free advice!

BTW - if the earth is cooling am I not in a better position anyway given that demand for fuel will go up?

The irony is that if we are going into another ice age / cool period those of us that have prepared our homes and lifestyles to mitigate global warming will be best prepared for a colder climate.

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Isnt this perhaps because of the lag time between exposure and onset of symptoms. Its like asbestos peak exposure was probably in the 1970's but the mesothelioma epidemic will probably peak around 2010-2015.

Of course lets not worry about the countless case-control and cohort that show a clear link between smoking and smoking related diseases.

Sorry but the numbers don't add up.

If smoking causes all these smoking-related diseases and is the only reason for it, and the onset of symptoms takes 30-40 years, the numbers should still be level and start to fall around about now or in 10 years' time.

Trouble is though it's not working out that way. "Smoking-related" diseases are soaring - particularly cancer and asthma. It is therefore entirely reasonable to assume that there are other factors not related to smoking that are causing all of those diseases and ailments.

Smoking is very enjoyable and does have a danger element attached to it for the smoker only. However, its role in making people contract these diseases is grossly exaggerated because of the MASSIVELY increased numbers falling prey to the illnesses it is alleged to cause in a time in an era when smoking has declined rapidly.

The passive smoking cultists are just like the global warming cultists. There **may** be some truth to what they are saying in very small parts. However, they have an agenda and they are pushing it as far as they can.

With passive smoking cultists, they are funded by drug companies and governments. With global warming cultists, they are funded by government and interested private sector organisations. They both have one thing in common - a plient, suggestible and obedient media willing to work as their PR agencies. This set-up damages science and holds back its potential progress. In fact, damaging anyone or anything that gets in the way of their cult.

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450mm loft insulation, cavity insulation, condensing boiler, CFl's, solar water heating, pipe insulation, high efficiency applliances. Fruit trees and veg beds, water harvesting, composting and recycling

transport - 50% bus, 30% car, 10% bike, 10% train

Work - mobile / flexible working inititiaves

Friends and family - assisting in insulation / solar water heating projects

HPC - free advice!

BTW - if the earth is cooling am I not in a better position anyway given that demand for fuel will go up?

but but you said the earth is warming. :blink::blink::blink:

now you have confused me.

Answer us:

1. Is Global warming real?

2. If so why have we had record cold temperatures globally thus year..

(wait for it everyone :

Global warming causes cooling,it causeth the sun to rise and the moon to cross the sky......)

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The irony is that if we are going into another ice age / cool period those of us that have prepared our homes and lifestyles to mitigate global warming will be best prepared for a colder climate.

Same goes for peak oil/gas too. This stuff just makes sense.

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but but you said the earth is warming. :blink::blink::blink:

now you have confused me.

Answer us:

1. Is Global warming real?

2. If so why have we had record cold temperatures globally thus year..

(wait for it everyone :

Global warming causes cooling,it causeth the sun to rise and the moon to cross the sky......)

If you could read you would note that my position is:

That anthropogenic emissions of gases (some of which are global warming gases) are damaging the natural environment

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yes but the earth is warming this is 100% correct guaranteed.

Listen to that famous scientist Al Gore and watch his factual video.

So Kurt shouldn't be insulating his roof etc?

I thought you were in favour of individual liberty :huh:

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It would be difficult to forget them - they've taken over parliament - Harriet Harman, Jacqui Smith, Margaret Beckett et al to the exclusion of the true, independent thinkers like Frank Field and Kate Hoey.

And that's without accounting for the followers of the wooftah Islingtonians.....like you......

Never follow anyone, do you think you live in a democracy or something? Sorry, voting is a placebo to give you the illusion that you matter, you don't. All parties are the same, they all have the same agenda, and that is to retain power, and hence keep their snouts in the trough.

In their spare time they do run a number of cults, including anti/pro smoking, anti/pro environment, anti/pro nuclear, and various others. The truth is out there........

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yes but the earth is warming this is 100% correct guaranteed.

Listen to that famous scientist Al Gore and watch his factual video.

For the 2nd time - Al Gore is a Journalist turned politician - are you so thick that you havent the ability to find that out.

If he is a scientist - what did he major in? Perhaps you do think Journalism is a science........

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Sorry but the numbers don't add up.

If smoking causes all these smoking-related diseases and is the only reason for it, and the onset of symptoms takes 30-40 years, the numbers should still be level and start to fall around about now or in 10 years' time.

Trouble is though it's not working out that way. "Smoking-related" diseases are soaring - particularly cancer and asthma. It is therefore entirely reasonable to assume that there are other factors not related to smoking that are causing all of those diseases and ailments.

Smoking is very enjoyable and does have a danger element attached to it for the smoker only. However, its role in making people contract these diseases is grossly exaggerated because of the MASSIVELY increased numbers falling prey to the illnesses it is alleged to cause in a time in an era when smoking has declined rapidly.

The passive smoking cultists are just like the global warming cultists. There **may** be some truth to what they are saying in very small parts. However, they have an agenda and they are pushing it as far as they can.

With passive smoking cultists, they are funded by drug companies and governments. With global warming cultists, they are funded by government and interested private sector organisations. They both have one thing in common - a plient, suggestible and obedient media willing to work as their PR agencies. This set-up damages science and holds back its potential progress. In fact, damaging anyone or anything that gets in the way of their cult.

Clearly you know about as much about epidemiology as beefheart does about geology / biochemistry :lol:

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For the 2nd time - Al Gore is a Journalist turned politician - are you so thick that you havent the ability to find that out.

If he is a scientist - what did he major in? Perhaps you do think Journalism is a science........

errrm....look up facetious.

you may find a definition somewhere on tinterweb.

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