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I have just landed a contract worth a lot of money for my own business and it means I will be moving to The People's Republic of China for 6 months. All I need to do is sort out my travel documents with their authorities.

When I sat down and thought about it, has China got the right idea. After all they have just built the largest building in the world (Beijings new airport) whcih opens in two days time.

The government tells you what to do or else. (British Government)

The government tells you what to do or else. (Chinese Government)

So whats the difference. In the UK, you can be imprisoned by an ASBO without ever setting foot in court or being convicted. In China, you would likely be beaten and then tortured to death, but at least you would have a trial in kangaroo court.

You have to take bad bits with the good.

China is growing faster and becoming more powerful than any country ever before, money is being thrown at westerners like me, to do jobs for them they cant do themselves and when I say this is the last job I ever do, you can imagine how much they are paying me. It has 6 zeros behind the first number. :lol:

I think communism in its shape and form in China is actually better than capitalism in its shape and form here. Call it rose tinted glasses, but theats the way I call it.

In China you have to give up some freedoms for the sake of the institution.

In Britain, you have to lose your home, for the sake of the banks.

What do you think, maybe it has been posted before, but I am interested anyway.

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The thing is dictatorships or fascimilies of get things done, thus they can build a massive amount in a very short time and get things done, motorways bridges, cities airports can be built in a very short space of time, as consultations are un-necessary consider the UK it took years of consultation for the M6 toll road and healthrow's 3rd runway has been at consultation for years and years.

The ability of the government is a double edged sword however in that its good if you want these new developments, it is however very bad when you are evicted with little compensation for progress.

Re the three gorges dam (which is as alot of people predicted is an ecological calamity), great generates lots of electricity , but displaced millions and millions of people.

But governments are just different sides of the same coin,

As my law professor once said the UK isn't a democracy, he once said to me severely , it is an elected dictatorship, MPs once elected ignore their constituents for the next 4-5 years. They do whatever they want to do take huge bribes , abuse the public purse, smarter ones introduce policies which will divert public money into companies which will offer them cush jobs once they leave office.

Hell even Gordo's lawyer once said pledges and promises are not subject to legitimate expectation.

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A quote from Deus EX an old PC game

ISAAC

China is the last sovereign country in the world. Authoritarian but willing --

unlike U.N.-governed countries -- to give its people the freedom to do what they

want.

JC DENTON

As long as they don't break the law.

ISAAC

Listen to me. This is real freedom, freedom to own property, make a profit, make

your life. The West, so afraid of strong government, now has no government. Only

financial power.

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urgh please change you avaitor/picture, nice looking girl but she has a really aggressive smile, teeth bared...urgh not very nice...

No way Mr "l had a mentally scarring banjo string accident once".

I like it a lot. Sort of growly... l checked the site it came from but couldnt really find anything about that particular gif.

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So whats the difference.

Try the following:

- walk around London wearing a sandwich board saying 'Freedom, Liberty & Democracy for the English People'

- walk around Bejing wearing a sandwich board saying 'Freedom, Liberty & Democracy for the Chinese People'

on a more serious note, good luck, and hopes it all goes well

edit: replaced bad libellous example

Edited by Ursus Helvetica

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I have just landed a contract worth a lot of money for my own business and it means I will be moving to The People's Republic of China for 6 months. All I need to do is sort out my travel documents with their authorities.

When I sat down and thought about it, has China got the right idea. After all they have just built the largest building in the world (Beijings new airport) whcih opens in two days time.

The government tells you what to do or else. (British Government)

The government tells you what to do or else. (Chinese Government)

So whats the difference. In the UK, you can be imprisoned by an ASBO without ever setting foot in court or being convicted. In China, you would likely be beaten and then tortured to death, but at least you would have a trial in kangaroo court.

You have to take bad bits with the good.

China is growing faster and becoming more powerful than any country ever before, money is being thrown at westerners like me, to do jobs for them they cant do themselves and when I say this is the last job I ever do, you can imagine how much they are paying me. It has 6 zeros behind the first number. :lol:

I think communism in its shape and form in China is actually better than capitalism in its shape and form here. Call it rose tinted glasses, but theats the way I call it.

In China you have to give up some freedoms for the sake of the institution.

In Britain, you have to lose your home, for the sake of the banks.

What do you think, maybe it has been posted before, but I am interested anyway.

So being paid a load of money has turned you into a communist...?

Strangest post I've ever read...

Edited by The XYY Man

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They execute (by admission of an interior minister) about 10,000 people a year.

The odds are in your favor though due to the high population.

(Unless you happen to be native Tibetan in which case you're brown-bread)

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I saw that picture of their new airport today in the paper - had to stare it for a while to take it all in. WOW. And they built the whole thing in 4 years.

It was sickening to see Gordon Brown on his trip to china begging the Chinese to set up hedge funds here in the U.K to handle their $300 billion currency reserve. Gordon trying to create just one more bubble before the election.

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I think communism in its shape and form in China is actually better than capitalism in its shape and form here. Call it rose tinted glasses, but theats the way I call it.

In China you have to give up some freedoms for the sake of the institution.

In Britain, you have to lose your home, for the sake of the banks.

If you can speak Mandarin, go for it. If you can't, it will be a learning experience... Oh and don't forget to say xiexie.

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You should just go for it my sister lived there for two years and her standard of living over there compared to being back in the UK, well lets just say she's finding it tough at home

Never had any bother with authorities, made loads of great mates - there are so many foreigners working in China at the moment

partied 7 nights a week

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There were over 80,000 demonstrations in China last year (source Radio Five Live). I wonder how many there were in this country.

...good point ..trying saying 'boo' at a Nulabour party conference..... <_<

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Try the following:

- walk around London wearing a sandwich board saying 'Freedom, Liberty & Democracy for the English People'

- walk around Bejing wearing a sandwich board saying 'Freedom, Liberty & Democracy for the Chinese People'

on a more serious note, good luck, and hopes it all goes well

If it's central London, you should have gone to the Police 6 days in advance for permission and for the last couple of years one person counts as a demonstration. The Socpa zone has more regulations like around parliment square. If you are moving about then contact Charing Cross, Belgravia, Lambeth and the Parks police for a form as you need one for each as you go through it.

They can refuse without explanation for public safety or if it's likely to cause a disturbance or alarm to the public. You will be hasseld by the police who will be unaware of the law and may be escorted for your own protection.

Mark Thomas has a great site where they meet up and obey the law to the letter, 100 people all seperately apply for permission and go through all the forms.

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The thing is dictatorships or fascimilies of get things done, thus they can build a massive amount in a very short time and get things done, motorways bridges, cities airports can be built in a very short space of time, as consultations are un-necessary consider the UK it took years of consultation for the M6 toll road and healthrow's 3rd runway has been at consultation for years and years.

The ability of the government is a double edged sword however in that its good if you want these new developments, it is however very bad when you are evicted with little compensation for progress.

Re the three gorges dam (which is as alot of people predicted is an ecological calamity), great generates lots of electricity , but displaced millions and millions of people.

But governments are just different sides of the same coin,

As my law professor once said the UK isn't a democracy, he once said to me severely , it is an elected dictatorship, MPs once elected ignore their constituents for the next 4-5 years. They do whatever they want to do take huge bribes , abuse the public purse, smarter ones introduce policies which will divert public money into companies which will offer them cush jobs once they leave office.

Hell even Gordo's lawyer once said pledges and promises are not subject to legitimate expectation.

sometimes the differences depend only from your own point of view and perspective of a situation.

for example when people are moved from their homes in china this is dictatorship at work. however in the uk if the council wants to knock down an entire area for redevelopment using compulsory purchase orders, whether the resident like it or not, then this is ok as were a democracy?

i was watching a documentary the other day about a uk journalist doing a report in russia. when the authorities asked him to stop filming because he didnt have the right permit, he started shouting about how this was a police state at work, denying him his freedom.

im not being funny but if you dont have the right permit in camden town, youre not allowed to film there either. two sides of the same coin, just different perspectives.

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Ive been to china on holliday twice and its fantastic.

One thing I saw was in a main street they had dug a trench about 100 foot long 3 foot deep 3 foot wide and not a barrier or warning sign anywhere I loved it, they just walked in it or across it and carried on

Here it would have 150 scousers in the bottom claiming all sorts of injuries and 3000 lawyers all filling in their forms, if you tried that there they would kick the shight out of you for half an hour then send you down the Tin mine for the next 20 years and dead right too

Which is also why this sh11thole Britain is on its @rse and why China just keeps growing cos they dont reward idiots and lazy tw@ats

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They execute (by admission of an interior minister) about 10,000 people a year.

Where else would they get stock for the organ banks.

Right now is a fantastic time to spend in China especially if you are coining it during the prosperous time of Dosh Dynasty and the reign of the Emperor Nasi Goreng . You will witness the emergence of the new economic power at a far faster rate than the west ever done. This is definetly a once in a lifetime experience you will find many expats up there that are in China because of this undisputed fact.

I dont know if you are a chickie babe or not but I can tell you that women are treated equally in China and hold influential positions in business unlike other asian locations.

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I don't know about emigrating to China.

A country where 10 year olds work 60 hour weeks for €FA is an economic miracle?

And plenty of their citizens are willing to spend 2 weeks in the false petrol tank of a vehicle to get out of there to sh1thole UK.

Let's face it OP you are doing it for the money?

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A country where 10 year olds work 60 hour weeks for €FA is an economic miracle?

And plenty of their citizens are willing to spend 2 weeks in the false petrol tank of a vehicle to get out of there to sh1thole UK.

That's why I don't really understand those who look to China with envious eyes. If they're doing 'well' I'd hate to live in a country that was doing badly! (It's okay if you're one of the elite of course).

Of course, future generations of Chinese might benefit from what's happening now, just as later Britons benefited from the wealth built in Victorian mills and iron works, etc, and from all the public infrastructure that we've inherited from those days.

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What line of business are you in out of interest?

Anyway good luck and watch out for the Lady Boys..

Whoops. Sorry thats Thailand. :lol:

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That's why I don't really understand those who look to China with envious eyes. If they're doing 'well' I'd hate to live in a country that was doing badly! (It's okay if you're one of the elite of course).

Of course, future generations of Chinese might benefit from what's happening now, just as later Britons benefited from the wealth built in Victorian mills and iron works, etc, and from all the public infrastructure that we've inherited from those days.

What you need to understand and take into consideration is the rate of progress in China, human rights and living conditions are improving at a very fast rate of knots and much faster than during the Industrial Revolution.

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What you need to understand and take into consideration is the rate of progress in China, human rights and living conditions are improving at a very fast rate of knots mush faster than the Industrial Revolution.

What you mean they have re-invented everything? I don't think so. Seems to be "old" smoke stack industries, and bucket shop manufacturing and not sustainable unless another planetary sized object the size of earth swings into orbit rich in ore, coal, oil etc..

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