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Alternatively you could build a thriving entrepeneurial economy with plenty of jobs for anyone who wants one. But that would require taking a scythe to the bloated government bureaucracy of Jobsworths' and losers that discourages the creation of real jobs.

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Did I say that £25k is a high wage level? 

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My favourite bug bear is family tax credits which go to people with incomes as high as £55k but no amount of whinging is going to change it.

Yes BL yes you did. The income you refer to is the total family income of both wage earners, quite why you keep banging on about salaries of £55k is beyond me. There are very few families these days where both parents don't work.

The vast majority of these people you detest receiving any state benefits are 20% tax payers, they're not even into the higher bracket, no where near.

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wheres hook ?

"Crook smacks Hook" :D

He has just had his head kicked in I think :lol:

"Since being in jail Hamza has cost the British taxpayers thousands of pounds in medical fees (which included 5,000 for a new 'hook') and a chiropedist's visit after Hamza claimed he was 'having trouble walking' due to 'long toenails' which 'prevented' him from appearing in a video hookup for a court hearing"

"A prison spokesman also announced the planned building of a new 1.6 million pound mosque to accomodate Hamza and his cronies who claimed they could not pray in the exisiting chapel. Adding further 'insult to injury', Hamza also announced he was suing the welfare department for back payments for him and his family totalling thousands of pounds..."

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_obje...-name_page.html

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Yes BL yes you did. The income you refer to is the total family income of both wage earners, quite why you keep banging on about salaries of £55k is beyond me. There are very few families these days where both parents don't work.

The vast majority of these people you detest receiving any state benefits are 20% tax payers, they're not even into the higher bracket, no where near.

Two salaries of £27.5k or one salary of £55k amount to precisely the same thing - which is a family which does not need benefits paid for by other, more poorly paid members of society.

Frankly I don't give a toss that they're not higher rate tax payers - with a total household income exceeding £50k, they should not be in receipt of benefits.

One minute it's outrageous that people with nothing should be given taxpayers' money, the next it's fine for people on above average incomes to be given it because they're not higher rate tax payers - like I said, the world has gone completely mad.

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Because they don't need that £40 a month and I'm paying for it.

We dont need many things our tax is spent on such as monarchy , military , millenium domes etc etc

so where's the justification for it?

I could have said it was spent on milk , nappies , school uniforms etc, however Ive been honest and shown that this little extra can allow parents to give their children (societys children) a little extra happiness and wellbeing...who knows what positive impact that would have on society in years to come. As suggested above , there are many things the govt spend on that arent neccessarily justified , as a humanist i would like to think there are more things to be incensed about than giving back to society in a positive way via child tax credits.

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We dont need many things our tax is spent on such as monarchy , military , millenium domes etc etc

I could have said it was spent on milk , nappies , school uniforms etc,  however Ive been honest and shown that this little extra can allow parents to give their children (societys children) a little extra happiness and wellbeing...who knows what positive impact that would have on society in years to come.  As suggested above , there are many things the govt spend on that arent neccessarily justified , as a humanist i would like to think there are more things to be incensed about than giving back to society in a positive way via child tax credits.

The millennium dome was paid for by lottery money, not tax revenue. And I'd question whether we need military spending, I'd be very unhappy if I lived in an undefended country.

If you want to give the children of relatively well off parents your money to increase their happiness and wellbeing, by all means feel free to do so. However, I'd prefer my money to go to my family's happiness and wellbeing.

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And I'd question whether we need military spending, I'd be very unhappy if I lived in a defended country.

I wish we did live in a defended country, rather than a country where the natives have been disarmed, where illegal immigrants flood over the borders in the thousands, and the majority of the military are off acting as cheap mercenaries for George Bush.

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The millennium dome was paid for by lottery money, not tax revenue.  And I'd question whether we need military spending, I'd be very unhappy if I lived in an undefended country.

If you want to give the children of relatively well off parents your money to increase their happiness and wellbeing, by all means feel free to do so.  However, I'd prefer my money to go to my family's happiness and wellbeing.

The people you refer to will be paying much more than £40 per month in tax. Would it make you happier if it was presented as a modest tax cut instead of a modest benefit payment, remembering that the outcome would be identical. Would you even notice it if it was presented as a tax cut?

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The people you refer to will be paying much more than £40 per month in tax. Would it make you happier if it was presented as a modest tax cut instead of a modest benefit payment, remembering that the outcome would be identical. Would you even notice it if it was presented as a tax cut?

No it wouldn't make me happier. I don't believe in subsidising the relatively well off at the expense of people who are poorer than they are but who happen not to have children under 18.

As far as I'm concerned Robin Hood had it the right way round and this reversal of that principle offends me.

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Would it make you happier if it was presented as a modest tax cut instead of a modest benefit payment, remembering that the outcome would be identical

The outcome would _not_ be identical: as a general rule, a welfare benefit costs about twice as much in taxes as the same money return in a tax cut. Just think of all the jobsworths and losers who are employed to hand out that tax money, and how much they skim off on the way from my pay packet to the 55k family's bank account.

It's almost always better to cut taxes than hand out money, from a financial point of view. Of course tax cuts make people _less_ dependent on government while welfare benefits make them more dependent, so it's no surprise that politicians prefer the latter.

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Forty quid a month isn't a lot, but the system in place to ensure that they get said cash is expensive. Poor people pay shed loads of tax. The tax bands should be altered; 0% on the first 10K in my opinion, that's the best form of wealth distribution. Why should the government decide what money people can take home, when they are perfectly capable of earning cash themselves?

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The people you refer to will be paying much more than £40 per month in tax. Would it make you happier if it was presented as a modest tax cut instead of a modest benefit payment, remembering that the outcome would be identical. Would you even notice it if it was presented as a tax cut?

Indeed. Let us consider the previous poster who said that someone on 50k gets 40 quid a month of benefits.

Monthly salary: 4167

Income tax: 1017

Employee NI: 263

Employer NI: 483

Total tax: 1763

Therefore the 40 quid is hardly coming out of someone elses pocket.

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The outcome would _not_ be identical: as a general rule, a welfare benefit costs about twice as much in taxes as the same money return in a tax cut. Just think of all the jobsworths and losers who are employed to hand out that tax money, and how much they skim off on the way from my pay packet to the 55k family's bank account.

It's almost always better to cut taxes than hand out money, from a financial point of view. Of course tax cuts make people _less_ dependent on government while welfare benefits make them more dependent, so it's no surprise that politicians prefer the latter.

Labour politicians, MarkG, Labour ones...

Poverty is just an invention to find something for the socialists to do. Real poverty only exists overseas. I don't have a problem with my taxes being spent overseas on poverty/development, etc (when it's spent well), it's the lack of acknowledgement that there are significant problems in this country, in particular the hardship faced by FTBers and people with young families.

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Indeed.  Let us consider the previous poster who said that someone on 50k gets 40 quid a month of benefits.

Monthly salary: 4167

Income tax:    1017

Employee NI:  263

Employer NI:    483

Total tax:        1763

Therefore the 40 quid is hardly coming out of someone elses pocket.

Of course it's coming out of someone else's pocket. If the benefit didn't exist, the total tax take could be lower with lower taxes for all workers.

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