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Curious how we protect the rights of all other animals to live in their natural habitat wherever possible but deny our own species the same rights.

Was watching a squirrel in the garden this afternoon. He went and foraged some berries of a holly hedge (free food), mooched about for a bit in the sun, ate one or two of them, buried the rest, then wandered off to wherever he lives. Nobody thought to ask him if he had planning permission, made him pay for his food, charged him tax on his land use or suggested he ought to display rather more presbyterian work ethic.

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What is it about Yvette Cooper that makes me want to give her a slap. I've never hit anyone in my life and would never strike a woman but she comes very very close.

Her face says "I understand exactly what you are saying but I am choosing to ignore that entirely, look you straight in the eyes and lie through my teeth and no-one is going to stop me"

It reminded me of the look a Doctor gives you when you actually know a bit about what's wrong with you and you question what they are telling you.

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Curious how we protect the rights of all other animals to live in their natural habitat wherever possible but deny our own species the same rights.

Was watching a squirrel in the garden this afternoon. He went and foraged some berries of a holly hedge (free food), mooched about for a bit in the sun, ate one or two of them, buried the rest, then wandered off to wherever he lives. Nobody thought to ask him if he had planning permission, made him pay for his food, charged him tax on his land use or suggested he ought to display rather more presbyterian work ethic.

Good point RK. Will bring it up in the next local council meeting - these layabout squirrels must be stopped. Put them in hamster wheels I say, and make them earn their living. Nuts don't grow on trees you know....yeah....right...I'm sure we can arrest them on breaching some vagrancy law or something.

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Yes this has not been covered, and it's probably made this series incomplete.

But how do you explain this to people who are not armchair economists?

It would help enormously if people had the faintest idea about economics wouldn't it???

I find it very odd that so many british people are savvy enough to manage their finances, run businesses, etc etc and yet they don't question the most basic economic fundamentals.

I ignorance about the true state of the UK economy is absolutely shocking.

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Aaargh, Yvette Cooper just said she wanted to defy gravity. "Prices can't come down, it would cause too much trouble." Much better to make things more affordable by giving people new opportunities to buy (how?) and by increasing supply.

But even accepting her flawed logic of simplistic supply and demand - even if it did work - it would bring prices down! She has no logic. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! And she's in charge!!!!!

I think this a great program - Andrew is subtly showing how slow worms are getting a better housing deal then people - and letting people make their own conclusions.

Problem is, there's still a lack of easy answers ...

Sorry for going off topic but the issue of the worms is not quite as trivual as you would imagine. It's part of the global elite's plan to degrade humanity below that of plants and animals. I expect you have all heard of the phrase 'sustainable development' well that's the classic kind of Orwellian newspeak that is used to justify their plans. Barcodes on bins are just the beginning. Eventually all private property will be outlawed in the name of saving 'mother earth'.

Read about UN Agenda 21 here http://www.middletownca.com/DOTS.htm

The Wildlands project in the US - 50% of the entire continent to be classified as 'wild land' for the preservation of biological diversity: http://www.wildlandsprojectrevealed.org/htm/summary.htm

It's a classic use of the Hegelian Dialectic. See below for more info:

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm

http://nord.twu.net/acl/dialectic.html

A key extract:

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts.

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I agree - it's bullish in new pastel-shades.

Yep spotted this in the first programme , whilst others on here were saying " oh great , a balanced programme at last bla bla " i wanted to see the bear food shoved down the throats of the masses , but it was all just far to soft and barely a word ever said about the huge amounts of credit that have really ramped the prices up , i suspect now though that many bears on here feel that the 3 shows were all a bit of a let down .

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Yep spotted this in the first programme , whilst others on here were saying " oh great , a balanced programme at last bla bla " i wanted to see the bear food shoved down the throats of the masses , but it was all just far to soft and barely a word ever said about the huge amounts of credit that have really ramped the prices up .

I think Andy Verity did a good job. The entire was broadcast was effective because it was subtle. A complete loon screaming at the masses about credit crunches would be dismissed by the vast majority who really aren't interested.

One thing I found to be interesting was the planning process being held up not by conspiracies but by various groups of well meaning individuals whether it be the blue rinse poncenby-smythes or some student with a thing for worms.

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With you, I am just amazed at how the avatar you have has coloured the opinion I have of you.

Germany and Japan the only western countries that have not taken part in this moronic property bubble ??? why is that?

I don't have this avatar because I identify myself with it..its just that I like the cartoon

I think we in Germany have a different approach to housing because of the laws protecting the tenants...therefore not absolutely necessary to buy a property to feel at home..shame that this did 't really came over..they cut most of it out :(

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A missed opportunity - reinforcing the commonly held misconception that this bubble is down to supply and demand. I was shouting so many times "there are millions of empty homes", "why is rent so cheap compared to mortgages" and "it's about the easy availability of credit."

The sheeple will not be scared by this tame economically illiterate programme. If Verity really is a bear then he should hang his head in shame as this was a really good opportunity to educate the British brainwashed masses.

I wouls encourage everone to email Verity and the BBC but I fear it will do no good! :(

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I don't have this avatar because I identify myself with it..its just that I like the cartoon

I think we in Germany have a different approach to housing because of the laws protecting the tenants...therefore not absolutely necessary to buy a property to feel at home..shame that this did 't really came over..they cut most of it out :(

You did very well :) , one tip though all those 100's of boxes in the garage , believe me most of it you won't need ;) , decluter is a good thing .

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I was worried when the paramedic was mulling over buying their rented place. When the family were sat down preparing to vote on a decision, I found it quite gripping, like Deal Or No Deal but with far more at stake. The parents had four jobs between them Paramedic, retained fireman, chippy assistant and dinner lady and they still cannot afford to buy!

Fortunately, the eldest child gave dad some sound financial advice and gave dad all the right reasons to carry on renting their housing association place. Unlike the mortgage broker who was quite happy to push this family into a life of slavery.

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I thought when I saw the first installment, this is great for getting the message across to the sheeple, and others thought it was lame. I thought he was laying the ground work down for suggesting a crash. Tonights episode was just BULL SH*T. Didn't go into credit crunch or anything.

Verity, I know you're reading this ... did you want to make it more about a posible crash but you weren't allowed too?

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You did very well :) , one tip though all those 100's of boxes in the garage , believe me most of it you won't need ;) , decluter is a good thing .

You talk like my husband..there are boxes not unpacked for the last 10 years...never any point moving every 2 years with the army..

I think the problem is the developer..in Germay you buy your plot of buildingland from the council and then get your house build on it..low cost!

Here the building plots get sold to the building company's..they then build a house on it on the cheap and you then have to pay for the Land the cost of the house build and the profit for the building company..high cost.

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I thought when I saw the first installment, this is great for getting the message across to the sheeple, and others thought it was lame. I thought he was laying the ground work down for suggesting a crash. Tonights episode was just BULL SH*T. Didn't go into credit crunch or anything.

Verity, I know you're reading this ... did you want to make it more about a posible crash but you weren't allowed too?

I don't think he had very much say in it..when we filmed the producer gave most of the question he had to ask..

I tell you..filming was a real eyeopener :blink:

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Verity's credibility has plunged in my estimation now. It is obvious that the bloke is quite intelligent so why did he make such a pile of dilge? This programme revealed nothing that we don't know already about the over-inflated housing market in the UK and it ignored the PRINCIPAL cause - CHEAP AND EASY CREDIT.

Verity is on a par with Krusty and Phil in my opinion and these three programmes were a waste of time!

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It reminded me of the look a Doctor gives you when you actually know a bit about what's wrong with you and you question what they are telling you.

I had a patient once with bladder cancer who'd been to the local medical bookshop, bought a textbook on urology, read the bladder cancer section, searched for recent developments on medline. Did I feel undermined, are you joking? it was one of the best consultations I've had, although I love explaining in terms suited to the individual enough information for the patient to come to an informed decision in this case we had a plenary session discussing the various state of the art treatment strategies available. What do you think he said at the end? What do you recommend? I'll do whatever you suggest.

On average you're bonkers if you think you can compete with the 18 years of training I've had! Every day I present the facts and suggest that the patient may want to make a decision and what looks back at me usually is the terrified look of someone who desperately fears making the wrong decision. At this point I offer a suggestion of what I'd have done if it was me or my father/mother.

I feel the same when the accountant comes round to mine and gives me three different options none of which make much sense. Let alone if next time I went on holiday the pilot said "does anyone have any strong feeling about how we get to St Lucia?"

If you've got a doctor who treats you like a fool get another, I treat all of my patients like the intelligent (even if that's university of life) human beings they are, assume nothing other than the person you are talking to is your equal!

Cheers!

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You talk like my husband..there are boxes not unpacked for the last 10 years...never any point moving every 2 years with the army..

I think the problem is the developer..in Germay you buy your plot of buildingland from the council and then get your house build on it..low cost!

Here the building plots get sold to the building company's..they then build a house on it on the cheap and you then have to pay for the Land the cost of the house build and the profit for the building company..high cost.

Yep, this is reason the planners are in bed with the large developers - profit!

This was proved when I did some research on a previous UK newbuild that I bought from a friend. Newbuild purchase price £127k, made up of land 40k, construction 45k, and lovely profit of 42k (minus backhanders)!

If the council gives people like Carlos permission to self build, then that's no profits and no backhanders - simple really.

This leads me to believe that property is around a third overvalued.

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You talk like my husband..there are boxes not unpacked for the last 10 years...never any point moving every 2 years with the army..

" You talk like my husband " :blink: , if you didn't need it in the last 10 years your unlikely to need it in the next 10 , we've sold , given away or dumped over half of what we had since we moved into rented and i miss none of it .........you can't take it with you ............. Give my regards to John ;)

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