Why Would A Priced Out Ftb Vote Tory?

[svag]

So 50% of the posters on this forum would vote tory, I presume the vast majority are ftb's so please explain the reasons as a ftb you would vote tory over any other party?

[steve99]

So 50% of the posters on this forum would vote tory, I presume the vast majority are ftb's so please explain the reasons as a ftb you would vote tory over any other party?

I know several reasons why not to vote tory, all of them learned the last time they were in.

[ruggedtoast]

i assume theyd be the same as this Labour government, as Labour are the same as the last tory gov. It would be lovely to see the smirk wiped off G. Browns mug though I doubt i could bring myself to vote conservative. Lib dems all the way baby!

[Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

Why would a priced out Ftb vote Labour?

[smiffy1967]

So 50% of the posters on this forum would vote tory, I presume the vast majority are ftb's so please explain the reasons as a ftb you would vote tory over any other party?

well said, why would any person on this forum vote tory or labor, neither of these parties would help you, they are quite happy with the current paradigm. In fact both would invent any scheme to keep the pyramid going.

Neither of these parties want to really tackle immigration, neither of these parties really want to address the lack of affordable housing, both parties except large gifts (money) from property developers/BTL pondlife and it would be intresting to see how many MP's have BTL portfolios probably in there partners names (does anyone have a list)?

These are both self serving members of the house of commons and are in politics to serve there own intrests being paid by us working class people to inrich themselves in what they deem to be an unsubstainable boom.

They wont even come clean on energy security peak oil/gas which is the biggest elephant in our living rooms, so what chance is there that either of these parties will really ingage the people of these islands in truth and our dillema which is about to bite our backsides?

NEITHER

How many tory MP's from the Thacther years are poor or struggling? Does Dave Cameron live in the same world you or i come from? He does not give a toss about you or me, he wants to be a part of history, thats all.

[Unexpected]

We need a situation where the average person is struggling to pay their mortgage or buy a house. Labour has helped the average Joe in being able to keep the HPI miracle going by a system of benefits and handouts.

Do you realise that total income tax is less than total benefits paid out. This needs to stop so that it pays to work hard in this country rather than relying on benefits/handouts. This is more likely to happen under the tories IMO. Less benefits and lower taxes so that those who work hard can afford to buy a house and actually pay off the mortgage on day. the gap between scroungers and hard working people needs to be widened. This will not happen under Labour.

Having said that, I totally agree with smiffy, and would never vote for either.

Edited October 6, 2007 by Sine270

[Garry AKA Pod]

How many tory MP's from the Thacther years are poor or struggling? Does Dave Cameron live in the same world you or i come from? He does not give a toss about you or me, he wants to be a part of history, thats all.

How many labour MP's from the Blairite years are poor or struggling? Do Blair/Brown live in the same world your or i come from? They do not give a toss about you or me, they want to be part of history, that's all.

At least the tories make it obvious they couldn't care less about us mere mortals. Labour lie to us and pretend they do. I'd trust an honest man over a blatent liar any day.

[smiffy1967]

How many labour MP's from the Blairite years are poor or struggling? Do Blair/Brown live in the same world your or i come from? They do not give a toss about you or me, they want to be part of history, that's all.

At least the tories make it obvious they couldn't care less about us mere mortals. Labour lie to us and pretend they do. I'd trust an honest man over a blatent liar any day.

I am quite possibly a lot older than you, since i remember the winter of discontent vividly, how many conservative MP's from the 1980's and 1990's are struggling answer= none

Also, there is no such thing as an honest MOPM full friggin stop!

[RichB]

I know several reasons why not to vote tory, all of them learned the last time they were in.

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They wouldn't include a doubling of personal debt, a doubling of council tax, a doubling of utility bills, bankrupting the country, deregulating the financial arena to produce HPI the world has never previously seen, taking us to war more times than any other government in the history of the world, decimating our legal rights to the point where you can be incarcerated in a private jail at a whim, destroying the legal setup of parliament so the cabinet can change any law at whim without consulting parliament, the effective destruction of the NHS through PFI - which is now being applied to the armed forces as well.

I missed a few, but did they manage any of them?

[bugged bunny]

I have the same sentiments as smiffy and sine.

Given that NuLabour are now essentially of the same creed as the Tories, FTBs should probably vote for whichever party they feel is less inept at running the economy. I fear this is probably the Tories, especially at this point in the inevitable cycle of Tory rule-Labour rule. And they should put plans in place to vote with their feet by emigrating, or to buy an eventual retirement home abroad.

Edited October 6, 2007 by bugged bunny

[smiffy1967]

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They wouldn't include a doubling of personal debt, a doubling of council tax, a doubling of utility bills, bankrupting the country, deregulating the financial arena to produce HPI the world has never previously seen, taking us to war more times than any other government in the history of the world, decimating our legal rights to the point where you can be incarcerated in a private jail at a whim, destroying the legal setup of parliament so the cabinet can change any law at whim without consulting parliament, the effective destruction of the NHS through PFI - which is now being applied to the armed forces as well.

I missed a few, but did they manage any of them?

a doubling of utility bills

taking us to war more times than any other government in the history of the world,

Welcome to the world of resource wars for what remains of the dwindling supplies of gas and oil, a game of last man standing, in which their will be no winners and only loosers and them loosers will be our kids.

Fun huh?

[thecrashingisles]

So 50% of the posters on this forum would vote tory, I presume the vast majority are ftb's so please explain the reasons as a ftb you would vote tory over any other party?

I remember one interview in the 80s when Thatcher was defending her economic record and she said that "people have more savings in Building Society accounts." This to her was an indicator of increased prosperity.

Fast forward to 2007 and Tony Blair who boasted, in the same context, that house prices in his constituency had gone up hugely. In his view this meant that people were better off and that the government was doing well.

You have to take party political sterotypes with a pinch of salt but it's clear to me that Labour, now, have become the party of debt and financial decadence. When Cameron talks about wanting to bring back a savings culture it's music to my ears.

[oracle]

a doubling of utility bills

taking us to war more times than any other government in the history of the world,

Welcome to the world of resource wars for what remains of the dwindling supplies of gas and oil, a game of last man standing, in which their will be no winners and only loosers and them loosers will be our kids.

Fun huh?

that's right.

and resources don't just span the minerals in the ground,the next battleground is farmland and fresh water.

[Injin]

that's right.

and resources don't just span the minerals in the ground,the next battleground is farmland and fresh water.

Nah.

The number one resource is reading this.

[Bloo Loo]

Im a tory, and I am voting for Gordo if the election is soon- I will delight at him being roasted alive- thats if he doesnt go into hiding as he does with every minor thing to happen since he has been the sub-prime minister

[svag]

I remember one interview in the 80s when Thatcher was defending her economic record and she said that "people have more savings in Building Society accounts." This to her was an indicator of increased prosperity.

Fast forward to 2007 and Tony Blair who boasted, in the same context, that house prices in his constituency had gone up hugely. In his view this meant that people were better off and that the government was doing well.

You have to take party political sterotypes with a pinch of salt but it's clear to me that Labour, now, have become the party of debt and financial decadence. When Cameron talks about wanting to bring back a savings culture it's music to my ears.

But the tories have stated:

"Other pledges made by the Conservatives include opening up shared home ownership schemes to a wider audience, rather than the small number of workers in the state sector at present, and ending the scandal of new homes lying empty; increasing support for shared ownership schemes from within the existing housing budget; removing the obstacles John Prescott has introduced to social tenants buying their own homes; and continuing to campaign against Labour's half-baked Home Information Packs which will damage the health of the housing market and increase costs."

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=n...p;obj_id=131542

With DC in charge the tories will do everything (even more than labour) to prevent house prices falling. (imo)

[Its time to buy]

heres the logic

- tory messed up the economy last time

- they can do it again causing a recession - leading to a houseprice crash

well thats the logic anyway.

[IP Newcomer]

So 50% of the posters on this forum would vote tory, I presume the vast majority are ftb's so please explain the reasons as a ftb you would vote tory over any other party?

I'm a knee-jerk Tory (or perhaps just a jerk), so I can' really answer this. However the Tories at least believe in lower taxes, less regulation and less public spending even if they don't have the guts to put it in place for the first three years they should at least arrest the growth.

There is no way, and I mean no way, to build long term economic strength through loose money, public sector subsidies and debt piled upon debt.

Most people will probably be voting Tory because they are seriously fed up with the current set up, however a vote for the Tories is a vote for the more free market party - even with the current lot.

[zebbedee]

I grew up under margaret thatcher (too young to really remember much before, power cuts maybe) and loathed the conservatives, swore I'd never vote them, I'm a socialist through and through but I understand that system cannot work unless the people are removed from the equation. Labour is socialist party masquerading as conservative and as such puts one of the, if not the, highest tax burdens on the population of any country to pay for those who will not work. The alternative is a political party who put emphasis on working to earn your keep and maybe get rich in the process, and in my opinion that would be the conservatives.

Edited October 6, 2007 by zebbedee

[steve99]

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They wouldn't include a doubling of personal debt, a doubling of council tax, a doubling of utility bills, bankrupting the country, deregulating the financial arena to produce HPI the world has never previously seen, taking us to war more times than any other government in the history of the world, decimating our legal rights to the point where you can be incarcerated in a private jail at a whim, destroying the legal setup of parliament so the cabinet can change any law at whim without consulting parliament, the effective destruction of the NHS through PFI - which is now being applied to the armed forces as well.

I missed a few, but did they manage any of them?

Er, they did, double personal debt, trippled council tax for the lowest paid via the crafty scheme called 'poll tax'. As for wars the Tories would have been involved in every war since they left office given the oportunity. Tories also presided over 2 very bad peroids of unemployment and reveled in it, as ever blaming the victims. Bank deregulation was mostly done in the early years of the tories last innings. Maggie thatcher politicised the police early in the innings on account of what she had in mind for the miners etc and had the tories still been in would have been right up GWbushes ringpiece just like labour have re personal freedom. The whole problem with labour is that they have carried on in a straight line exactly the same pollicies that the tories set out 30 years ago, this is their failure. To vote tory again would change nothing, FTB'ers etc mean nothing to the inner circle of Eton. Suspect a few more seats for Lib/Dems would at least give common sense a vote in parliament ocasionaly, the other two need a grown up to supervise them.

[IP Newcomer]

But the tories have stated:

"Other pledges made by the Conservatives include opening up shared home ownership schemes to a wider audience, rather than the small number of workers in the state sector at present, and ending the scandal of new homes lying empty; increasing support for shared ownership schemes from within the existing housing budget; removing the obstacles John Prescott has introduced to social tenants buying their own homes; and continuing to campaign against Labour's half-baked Home Information Packs which will damage the health of the housing market and increase costs."

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?def=n...p;obj_id=131542

With DC in charge the tories will do everything (even more than labour) to prevent house prices falling. (imo)

That's true. I think that the Tories would be a bad bet before house prices have started going south. And you forgot the increased planning restrictions on new housing.

All that said Labour will try the same tricks and will only hold back the inevitable.

[svag]

That's true. I think that the Tories would be a bad bet before house prices have started going south. And you forgot the increased planning restrictions on new housing.

All that said Labour will try the same tricks and will only hold back the inevitable.

totally agree, I will never vote labour again but I just do not understand why anyone here would/should vote tory. I half expected "things can only get better" to be blasted out at the tory party conference.

[LowestoftBoy]

I will not vote for a party that robbed the nation of its water supply/treatment infrastructure and in a roundabout way handed it over to the likes of foreign private equity companies who cream off profits and fail to reinvest in those same assets which are now sweating to the point of failure.

[smiffy1967]

I will not vote for a party that robbed the nation of its water supply/treatment infrastructure and in a roundabout way handed it over to the likes of foreign private equity companies who cream off profits and fail to reinvest in those same assets which are now sweating to the point of failure.

totally agree, not just that, a party that was advised to save some north sea gas fields for a rainy day to ensure UK energy security, what did they do? Sucked it all up and sold it at the cheapest price on the market, used that money to pay dole checks, some friggin vision the tories. They dont not give a friggin toss for the people of this country and when the shit hits the fan, they will all run off to there southern european villa's and would have had the last laugh on all of us,

Eton Cocks friggin usless greeding class of Class 1 A holes

friggin winkers the friggin lot of them, what ever happend to leaders whom actually cared about the well being of our peoples or would that have been malthus?

[steve99]

I will not vote for a party that robbed the nation of its water supply/treatment infrastructure and in a roundabout way handed it over to the likes of foreign private equity companies who cream off profits and fail to reinvest in those same assets which are now sweating to the point of failure.

Google MacQuarrie bank infrastructure funds. These are the parasites that now own Thames water (bought it, made it self finance via massive loans, securitised and sold on, (sound familiar?) ), the long term cost of this will be enormous for water rate payers, and the pension funds in Australia who have bought up this other form of 'toxic waste' by the bucket full, meanwhile of course the MacBank tos*ers have roped in more bonuses than half the city of London combined. This is what modern capitalism is about and what they mean by 'adding value'. All tory inspired buisness practices of course, but Labours failing by not stamping down on it and putting these ******ers back where they belong.