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I was going to make a comment & post this article about why Brown has never been an economic wizard but after reading the comments, imo, what the teacher says is more remarkable than the article itself.

owning your own home is an excellent way to save money.

I wish I could afford to actually do it.

In Hull they are asking 100 Grand for a dodgy studio flat. Thats 200 000 Dollars. You know what I can get in Texas for that money?

I am a teacher. If a teacher in his 30s can't afford to buy a smaller than small studio flat in HUll (!!!!!! - my home town which I adore by the way) then surely it is reasonable to say that we have problems.

Exactly what am I to do?

WAIT I did it

I moved abroad.....

The housing 'boom' has also turned us into a nation of BORES!!!! How I dread anyone talking about how much the house they bought for 'one fifty' is now worth 'nearer a cool half mill' . Jealousy I know on my part.

It is soul destroying to be constantly worrying about whether you will be able to afford a horrible little terraced house by the time I am 40....

what kind of lifestyle is that?

How unfair is that? Teachers work & study hard to give something back to society but end up moving abroad just because they can't afford a 'horrible terraced' house in Brown's debt-ridden & corrupted economy.

So sad & annoying! I don't usually vote but come election day, if there was an alternative and any chance to get rid of Brown, I would be more than happy to go out & vote for whatever party out there to wipe the smug smile off Brown's face to put a smile back on this teacher's face...

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I was going to make a comment & post this article about why Brown has never been an economic wizard but after reading the comments, imo, what the teacher says is more remarkable than the article itself.

How unfair is that? Teachers work & study hard to give something back to society but end up moving abroad just because they can't afford a 'horrible terraced' house in Brown's debt-ridden & corrupted economy.

So sad & annoying! I don't usually vote but come election day, if there was an alternative and any chance to get rid of Brown, I would be more than happy to go out & vote for whatever party out there to wipe the smug smile off Brown's face to put a smile back on this teacher's face...

Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry he would have had more of a choice of professions... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension, accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

His story is a load of rubbish and is very dated. The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

If he is looking at earning ~30k to get a 100k property on 3x mortgage by the time he's 40, he must be seriously swinging the lead.

Nice bit of snobbery at the end, too. I live in a terraced house in the north at the moment- who should I blame for my abject life?

Sorry for the rant, but whinging public sector types with their unacknowledged hidden and not-so-hidden perks and their dubiously over rated contributions to the world sometimes annoy.

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It is not just Teachers!

Perhaps this 'Government' will see the error of their ways when all the professionals have left and there is no-one left to pay for the chavs' benefits and boomers' pensions any more! :angry:

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It is not just Teachers!

Perhaps this 'Government' will see the error of their ways when all the professionals have left and there is no-one left to pay for the chavs' benefits and boomers' pensions any more! :angry:

Shuttup! ;)

"The needs of the bankers outweigh the needs of the teachers."

(A misquote from a Star Trek Film)

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Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry he would have had more of a choice of professions... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension, accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

His story is a load of rubbish and is very dated. The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

If he is looking at earning ~30k to get a 100k property on 3x mortgage by the time he's 40, he must be seriously swinging the lead.

Nice bit of snobbery at the end, too. I live in a terraced house in the north at the moment- who should I blame for my abject life?

Sorry for the rant, but whinging public sector types with their unacknowledged hidden and not-so-hidden perks and their dubiously over rated contributions to the world sometimes annoy.

Haha! Loads of teachers on a £100k.

Face it. Housing is stupidly expensive. Considering the current bailout of overleveraged tosspots, I only hope that Sterling drops like a stone and it becomes economic for the educated to pay their student debts from abroad.

Then Britain will have the balance it deserves.

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Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry he would have had more of a choice of professions... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension, accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

His story is a load of rubbish and is very dated. The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

Sorry for the rant, but whinging public sector types with their unacknowledged hidden and not-so-hidden perks and their dubiously over rated contributions to the world sometimes annoy.

You really are a clueless muppet....

You seem to be suggesting that no one should be a teacher as they should have worked harder and got a better paid job, can I invite you to the real world one day? We have hundreds of thousands of people in this country working for modest salaries and we would be well and truely fcuked without them.

And since when did teachers (other than possibly head teachers) get paid £100,000!?!?!

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I think he means 100000 Aussie dollars- thats about right for a high grade teacher- he forgets then that the 100,000 flat in hull is 250,000 Aussie dollars

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Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry he would have had more of a choice of professions

Or perhaps he actually WANTED to become a teacher.

... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension, accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

Teachers have to make contributions to their pension, 5% of salary to be exact. On the face of it, teachers have a lot of time off. Believe me, they don't - it isn't just a job, it's a life. I don't know a single teacher who isn't crushed under the weight of their work.

The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

Show me a teacher on £100k, and I'll show you a liar.

A 'Cost centre'? They're actually human beings, teaching the next generation of human beings. You sound like you know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

If he is looking at earning ~30k to get a 100k property on 3x mortgage by the time he's 40, he must be seriously swinging the lead.

Unless you're in a particular industry (money-skimming financial 'services' parasite) in a particular area (big city), then £30k is a shed-load of money. Many teachers DO work all their lives to earn that by the time they're sixty. Why shouldn't a way above average salary of £30k buy a decent house on 3x?

Nice bit of snobbery at the end, too. I live in a terraced house in the north at the moment- who should I blame for my abject life?

"I'm ever so 'umble!" You are Uriah Heep and I claim my five pounds.

Sorry for the rant, but whinging public sector types with their unacknowledged hidden and not-so-hidden perks and their dubiously over rated contributions to the world sometimes annoy.

Sorry to set you straight on a few matters, but ignorant whinging fools like yourself who think teachers have it easy and those who perform public services rather than making money are somehow beneath them really get my goat. Your troll post didn't really deserve the dignity of a response, but I'm on my tea-break, so you got one!

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Soon it won't matter, as the UK will have no Teachers, Firemen, Police Officers, Nurses etc, because doing something worthwhile is no longer valued here.

This country is a total disaster area and I for one, am sick of the sh*thole.

Gordon and all the other greedy fu*ks & VI's can ram it up the Brown one.

Anyone with any sense should leave them all to it.

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Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry...

I agree that the standard of secondary school teaching is not where it should be, but it is still a very demanding and unpleasant job. Someone has got to face the hordes of young thugs - many of them armed - currently going through our secondary schools, and in a society where economic independence effectively depends on being a homeowner, I'd say his complaint was an entirely valid one. He's not claiming to be a hero, just a trained professional whom society should treat accordingly.

... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension...

They do. Admittedly, they have better pension provision than most private sector workers, but it's not true to suggest that teachers don't make contributions to their pensions. I'm not sure what the Teachers' Pension Scheme figure is, but in the Universities' Superannuation Scheme (to which I belong), it's 7% of your salary.

...accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

They do accept a degree of redundancy risk, and in popular specialisms many newly-qualified teachers have serious problems finding work.

The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

Only a tiny minority of very senior head teachers ever get close to a six-figure salary. The starting salary for most newly qualified teachers is around £24k, and I'd guess that most teachers are on £40-50k when they retire. I am a university lecturer with six years' experience and earn £34k. Unless I get promoted to a senior administrative role (which around one in fifteen academics do), I will never earn more than around £50k at today's prices. The point is that a decade ago, these salaries were enough to buy a home and make independent financial provision for one's future. Thanks to Brown's 'economic miracle', that's not the case any more.

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Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry he would have had more of a choice of professions... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension, accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

His story is a load of rubbish and is very dated. The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

If he is looking at earning ~30k to get a 100k property on 3x mortgage by the time he's 40, he must be seriously swinging the lead.

Nice bit of snobbery at the end, too. I live in a terraced house in the north at the moment- who should I blame for my abject life?

Sorry for the rant, but whinging public sector types with their unacknowledged hidden and not-so-hidden perks and their dubiously over rated contributions to the world sometimes annoy.

Perhaps you need to pull your head out of the sand & see the fact that we need teachers for the sake of our children instead of saying 'I am alright jack'!

Thanks for reminding us what a 'heartless society' we live in today.

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(First things first, I am not a teacher.)

I am so sick of hearing these idiots ranting about how useless nurses, teachers, firemen, police, etc, are. How they don't do any work that is worth doing and just lie around all day doing nothing, get inflated salaries and then retire at 50 to lie in the sunshine. I think the above cretin should have listened a bit more to his teachers - 100k for a teacher! Moron.

I have a relative who is a policeman - he cannot buy a house and is still having to live with his parents - he is 35 and wondering which way to turn. If people like this are unable to buy housing, the current situation strikes me as crazy.

Furby and Deny - your posts are brilliant - thank you!

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Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry he would have had more of a choice of professions... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension, accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

His story is a load of rubbish and is very dated. The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

If he is looking at earning ~30k to get a 100k property on 3x mortgage by the time he's 40, he must be seriously swinging the lead.

Nice bit of snobbery at the end, too. I live in a terraced house in the north at the moment- who should I blame for my abject life?

Sorry for the rant, but wingeing public sector types with their unacknowledged hidden and not-so-hidden perks and their dubiously over rated contributions to the world sometimes annoy.

You sir are a fecking moron.

Lets hope you never burn in the fire....resulting in 1st degree burns....coupled with with hypercarbia of the respiratory system....thus needing reeducating at basic level due to the cerebral hypoxia brain damage.....public sector ain't worth jot to you buddy .

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Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry he would have had more of a choice of professions... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension, accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

His story is a load of rubbish and is very dated. The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

If he is looking at earning ~30k to get a 100k property on 3x mortgage by the time he's 40, he must be seriously swinging the lead.

Nice bit of snobbery at the end, too. I live in a terraced house in the north at the moment- who should I blame for my abject life?

Sorry for the rant, but whinging public sector types with their unacknowledged hidden and not-so-hidden perks and their dubiously over rated contributions to the world sometimes annoy.

Er IMO this country needs decent teachers to stay not leave!!!

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Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry he would have had more of a choice of professions... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension, accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

His story is a load of rubbish and is very dated. The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

If he is looking at earning ~30k to get a 100k property on 3x mortgage by the time he's 40, he must be seriously swinging the lead.

Nice bit of snobbery at the end, too. I live in a terraced house in the north at the moment- who should I blame for my abject life?

Sorry for the rant, but whinging public sector types with their unacknowledged hidden and not-so-hidden perks and their dubiously over rated contributions to the world sometimes annoy.

Absolute guff from start to finish. You been on the XXXX again mate?

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Should have got a proper job in an estate agents or selling mortgages. Much more worthwhile.

Lucky really that you don't need a teacher to get such a job! :)

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Or perhaps he actually WANTED to become a teacher.

Teachers have to make contributions to their pension, 5% of salary to be exact. On the face of it, teachers have a lot of time off. Believe me, they don't - it isn't just a job, it's a life. I don't know a single teacher who isn't crushed under the weight of their work.

Show me a teacher on £100k, and I'll show you a liar.

A 'Cost centre'? They're actually human beings, teaching the next generation of human beings. You sound like you know the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

Unless you're in a particular industry (money-skimming financial 'services' parasite) in a particular area (big city), then £30k is a shed-load of money. Many teachers DO work all their lives to earn that by the time they're sixty. Why shouldn't a way above average salary of £30k buy a decent house on 3x?

"I'm ever so 'umble!" You are Uriah Heep and I claim my five pounds.

Sorry to set you straight on a few matters, but ignorant whinging fools like yourself who think teachers have it easy and those who perform public services rather than making money are somehow beneath them really get my goat. Your troll post didn't really deserve the dignity of a response, but I'm on my tea-break, so you got one!

Deny,

Your response did deserve a reply............"WELL SAID"

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Perhaps if this hero teacher actually had 'worked and studied hard' at university to have achieved more that the typical 2:2 for PGCE entry he would have had more of a choice of professions... but then again, perhaps he would have had to have made contributions to his pension, accepted a degree of redundancy risk, only had 20 days holiday a year etc etc.

His story is a load of rubbish and is very dated. The pay scales for teachers are non too shabby these days. 100k potential plus all the above benefits. Not bad for a cost centre.

lol meanwhile back in the real world....!

Lets recognise the now well established link between human capital and a country's productivity. Lets recognise that teachers are of incredible importance.

Lets look at the reality. My teacher friend works 100hrs a week. It says so on his payslip. He actually gets paid per hour less than the minimum wage. The government made this legal!

Job security? HELLLOOOOOOO? have you heard of league tables? Do you know what happens if you dont get the statistics your head demands? Thats right - you lose your job. Whether you work next year of not depends on whether the little angels one teaches actually bother to work and get the grades. A teacher is judged on everything from A-C grades to the new fangled value added stuff.

Holidays? HEEEEEEEEEELLLLLOOOOOOOOO? When exactly do you think teachers mark the insane amount of coursework they have? When do you think they develop a scheme of work? Do you think they actually have time set aside at school to do such work? My close friend had one week off over summer. He is lucky to get 20 days.

Pay scales? You have a clue? 100k? Maybe for a head. Yeah pay isnt as bad as it was. As mentioned above, its still below min wage on an hours worked basis. On the lower scale, you can make, what 30k? You can then break through to the upper scale and assuming you actually teach rather than go on to management you quickly hit a ceiling. The criticism I have is that the plodding lazy teacher can achieve these higher scales, so its a great job for the plodders. The dynamic people realise they can earn more elsewhere - this is not good for our economy because of the close link between education and success.

Pension? My mate showed me how much they take each month out of his "amazing" pay. It was about £300 - thats quite a big wack. He better get a good pension at the end. But by then he'll have to work at 70 to get the full amount. Can you teach at 70? lol imagine that! So not that good really!

To spell it out, education of our citizens benefits us all immensly. If you dont get it, give up now lol! Perhaps you are thinking that all teachers teach PE. In which case you'd have a point ;)!

Teachers are still very undervalued, and totally misunderstood.

What a joker. I dont blame you, you just aint educated in what really happens ;)!

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I was going to make a comment & post this article about why Brown has never been an economic wizard but after reading the comments, imo, what the teacher says is more remarkable than the article itself.

How unfair is that? Teachers work & study hard to give something back to society but end up moving abroad just because they can't afford a 'horrible terraced' house in Brown's debt-ridden & corrupted economy.

So sad & annoying! I don't usually vote but come election day, if there was an alternative and any chance to get rid of Brown, I would be more than happy to go out & vote for whatever party out there to wipe the smug smile off Brown's face to put a smile back on this teacher's face...

That original comment from the teacher very much fits the profile of my teacher friend in Hull. I'm gonna call him up tonight and ask if its him.

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