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Brown unlikely to call early election as Cameron narrows gap in the polls

By IAN "Droopy Drawers" DRURY -
Last updated at 10:15am on 27th August 2007
End of his honeymoon period: It's unlikely Brown will call an election as his lead in the polls has slipped
The chances of Gordon Brown calling a snap General Election have diminished after his lead in the polls slipped.
The gap between Labour and the Conservatives narrowed to just five points - suggesting the Prime Minister's honeymoon period was coming to an end...../
But voters think Labour is more likely to deliver rising house prices
, better educational standards, tackle climate change and share income more fairly.

With his heroic handling of the floods, F&M and the terrorist attacks behind us its back to business as usual and the impending collapse of the miracle economy.

Edit: the bit about HPI. Champagne Socialism anyone.

Edited by Realistbear

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I was saying this last week, he'd be mad to do it now.

Brown to me is starting to look like Hitler in the bunker in the last days of the Third Reich, surrounded by yes men while, the brits, americans and russian began battering down the walls of berlin on all fronts.

A sperfect storm on all fronts will be quite something to watch.

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Edit: the bit about HPI. Champagne Socialism anyone.

Hmm, from 6% to 5%, with no actual change in the Labour share (39%) - doesn't tell you much given the margin of error. As for the HPI bit, it's just wrong isn't it? The next wave of HPI will be driven by the Tory abolition of inheritance tax creating a glut of huge deposits and new amateur BTLers. "Oh well, yah, we could sell grandmama's house now, but if we let it out yah, we have an income and we can sell it for more to retire, haha". This is especially true given Conservative policy on houses (which nationally seems to be not to build any, anywhere).

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I was saying this last week, he'd be mad to do it now.

Brown to me is starting to look like Hitler in the bunker in the last days of the Third Reich, surrounded by yes men while, the brits, americans and russian began battering down the walls of berlin on all fronts.

A sperfect storm on all fronts will be quite something to watch.

ha ha - I think you are right - bo bo the clown will be in the bunker (still trying to learn how to count) and wondering where the bust came from.

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Hmm, from 6% to 5%, with no actual change in the Labour share (39%) - doesn't tell you much given the margin of error. As for the HPI bit, it's just wrong isn't it? The next wave of HPI will be driven by the Tory abolition of inheritance tax creating a glut of huge deposits and new amateur BTLers. "Oh well, yah, we could sell grandmama's house now, but if we let it out yah, we have an income and we can sell it for more to retire, haha". This is especially true given Conservative policy on houses (which nationally seems to be not to build any, anywhere).

The poll seems to confirm Gordon's unshakeable connection to the "miracle" of HPI-MEW-BTL. His future and his legacy depends upon whether or not he can sustain HPI over the long term. Basically, Gordon is DIW.

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The poll seems to confirm Gordon's unshakeable connection to the "miracle" of HPI-MEW-BTL. His future and his legacy depends upon whether or not he can sustain HPI over the long term. Basically, Gordon is DIW.

If GB calls an Election this year or next year he will win. Remember JM won an Election after a HPC and with a recession, why, because the electorate did not like Kinnock. Unless the Tories get rid of their six form schoolboy leader they have no chance of winning an Election. ;)

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If GB calls an Election this year or next year he will win. Remember JM won an Election after a HPC and with a recession, why, because the electorate did not like Kinnock. Unless the Tories get rid of their six form schoolboy leader they have no chance of winning an Election. ;)

However in 1992, JM didnt have to contend with a really severe law and order problem, and general p£ssed off unhappiness in the country. People are thoroughly miserable at this point. I think the country looks in a way worse position than it did in 1992 and Cameron is not in the league of Kinnock yet, christ that really was an awful man.

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so let me get this straight; the British public want:

'rising house prices, better educational standards, tackle climate change and share income more fairly.'

Fantastic - perpetuation of the House of Cards economy is more important than kids learning to read and write, not burning to death, and stopping the financial elite from asset stripping the rest of us.

speechless. f**k this House price bubble - the damage done has been immense.

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so let me get this straight; the British public want:

'rising house prices, better educational standards, tackle climate change and share income more fairly.'

Fantastic - perpetuation of the House of Cards economy is more important than kids learning to read and write, not burning to death, and stopping the financial elite from asset stripping the rest of us.

speechless. f**k this House price bubble - the damage done has been immense.

I agree. Gordon's miracle of HPI-MEW-BTL has done far more damage to the fabric of this country than just financial damage. Chavalierism, workaholism, alcoholism, debt culture will all be seen as the legacy of NuLabour.

I look forward to the day when HPI is recognised as a disease rather than some kind of economic miracle.

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However in 1992, JM didnt have to contend with a really severe law and order problem, and general p£ssed off unhappiness in the country.

No, he had to deal with nearly 250,000 repossessions and high unemployment, remember the newsreels at the time of families on the streets and he and his Government did sweet FA. I can tell you I knew many Businessmen at the time who were totally pissed off as they saw their businesses go under with hundreds of their long serving employees thrown on the scrap heap. Don`t get the impression that during that time in comparison with today it was a walk in the park, it was hell for many thousands.

I have no time for this Government but have learnt over many years how fickle voters are. I know many die hard Tory voters whose reaction when Cameron was elected leader said they`ve blown their bloody chances once again.

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If GB calls an Election this year or next year he will win.

I agree with this part of what you say.

GB is increasingly reliant upon property taxes to fund (bribe, employ, support, subsidise) his northern, Scottish and Welsh supporters.

He plans to re-evaluate all council taxes (raise them) judging by the new valuation techniques they are sneaking through so even he realises and is planning for an increased dependence on property prices. He's got to soak someone and something and property IS IT. The great (for him) thing about re-valuations is that they tend to last for years as they cause so much upset they do not get revisited. Best to arrange them immediately after an election. Nice, then, if he was able to revalue the whole lot asap while prices are high. New bands, say, at 750k, 1m, 1.5m, 2m, 2.5m etc as these houses will, % wise, lose most value if there is a large drop. ie a 25% drop on Dunroamin at 350,000 won't move it down a band but a hit like that on £2m would.

How you get from this to thinking that New Socialism will be good for property is a bit of a leap. Folk seemed to have maxed out on re-mortgaging and credit cards so the creation of yet further BOOM BOOM does not seem possible (let alone desirable) on the back of Donroamin, West Winds, Acacia Drive and Bin Laden Cul-de-sac.

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If GB calls an Election this year or next year he will win. Remember JM won an Election after a HPC and with a recession, why, because the electorate did not like Kinnock. Unless the Tories get rid of their six form schoolboy leader they have no chance of winning an Election. ;)

Well Charlie who do you think should replace him ? William Hague ? Liam Fox ?

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However in 1992, JM didnt have to contend with a really severe law and order problem, and general p£ssed off unhappiness in the country. People are thoroughly miserable at this point. I think the country looks in a way worse position than it did in 1992 and Cameron is not in the league of Kinnock yet, christ that really was an awful man.

Do you actually remember 1992?

We were in the middle of a recession. The streets were far more dangerous than now in terms of muggings and general street hassle. There was indeed an air of general pissed-offness and poverty about. The area of London I was in was full of boarded up houses and squats, as was also true of whole areas of cities like Liverpool and Sunderland that have since become slightly rejuvenated. It wasn't as bad as the 1970s for malaise, but it certainly wasn't a bed of roses.

Yes, there are problems now, but don't get too rose-tinted about the past.

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Quite frankly nobody knows what will happen, as they say "a week is a long time in politics" and things could turn very nasty for Mr Brown if he called an election and then some major nasty stuff came tumbling down between announcing and voting.

Never underestimate the fickleness of the british voting public. They would hang you as quick as vote for you.

I can't see Brown taking that chance now, he'll wait out.

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Well Charlie who do you think should replace him ? William Hague ? Liam Fox ?

William Hague had his chance, I like Liam Fox but he's no where near David Davis in terms of connecting with people, having common sense and a strong personality.

There's one thing the Conservatives have that all the other parties don't have and that is, in general, they are a tiny bit more intelligent. Although I think the Conservatives are their own worst enemy at the moment, I'd much rather they were in power than the present bunch of unintelligent goons!

Did anyone see those too sad Labour activists on wife swap the other day? They were a classic example of the retardedness of Labour.

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William Hague had his chance, I like Liam Fox but he's no where near David Davis in terms of connecting with people, having common sense and a strong personality.

There's one thing the Conservatives have that all the other parties don't have and that is, in general, they are a tiny bit more intelligent. Although I think the Conservatives are their own worst enemy at the moment, I'd much rather they were in power than the present bunch of unintelligent goons!

Did anyone see those too sad Labour activists on wife swap the other day? They were a classic example of the retardedness of Labour.

I do think that if Ken Clark had been leading the Tory party in the 1997 election they may well have got back in on a slim margin. All the parties at the moment do seem to have a self destruct button and i wonder if its a game of pass the parcel where no one wants to inherit the present economy.

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I do think that if Ken Clark had been leading the Tory party in the 1997 election they may well have got back in on a slim margin. All the parties at the moment do seem to have a self destruct button and i wonder if its a game of pass the parcel where no one wants to inherit the present economy.

It's not the parcel they want, it's the car, the perks and the power.

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There was an interesting feature on The Westminster Hour yesterday evening about constituency boundaries and how they inherently favour Labour, because there's been a significant population movement from Labour stronghold constituencies to Tory ones in the last few years (hence, fewer votes are needed to win a Labour seat than a Tory one). One political scientist who was interviewed suggested that even if the Tories had a 10-point lead, they'd struggle to win a Parliamentary majority. If true, then Brown's slight poll dip shouldn't deter him from calling an election soon.

What I find puzzling is the extent of the hostility to Cameron on this forum. This seems to be based on (i) the fact that he comes from a wealthy background and went to Eton, and (ii) his emphasis on the environment and social policy thus far. On point 1, I think it's worth pointing out that because he is very wealthy in his own right, Cameron is less likely to be motivated by money and power than someone who's worked their way up from the bottom or the middle. He's very rich and has connections to the levers of power anyway. I'm not trying to suggest that he's in politics for purely altruistic reasons, but I do know that I'd prefer someone like him to someone like Brown, who loathes self-sufficiency with all chips in McDonald's on his shoulder, and wants to make us all obedient supplicants to the state, or someone like Prescott who sees politics as nothing more than an excuse to enjoy perks and freebies. On the second, Cameron knows that there are a large number of swing voters who believe the crap about global warming, receive significant income from tax credits, subconsciously regard the welfare state as a holy grail and have been subjected to a decade of propaganda to the effect that everything Thatcher did was pure evil. So he's GOT to tread very carefully if he's going to have any hope of winning an election. In an ideal world, I'd like to see public sector waste slimmed down, taxes reduced, the political power of the EU and Scotland reduced, immigration brought within sensible limits, violent criminals locked up for a very long time and murderers strung up. Cameron knows what the Labour spin machine would do to him if he supported any of these publicly ... which is NOT to say that a future Conservative government won't start moving in that direction. He also knows that campaigning this way lost the Tories the '01 and '05 elections.

The bottom line: Labour is 90% responsible for HPI and 100% responsible for a hell of a lot of other problems. Even if you believe all the anti-Thatcher '18 wasted years' propaganda, the fact remains that none of the present generation of senior Tories played any major role in the 79-97 governments. The fact also remains that they are our only chance of getting Labour out.

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Well Charlie who do you think should replace him ? William Hague ? Liam Fox ?

No, they really have no one of any substance and GB knows it. The way they are at the moment they would have more chance digging up old Supermac. :D

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I do think that if Ken Clark had been leading the Tory party in the 1997 election they may well have got back in on a slim margin. All the parties at the moment do seem to have a self destruct button and i wonder if its a game of pass the parcel where no one wants to inherit the present economy.

The problem with a Clarke leadership would have been euro-sceptic Tories staying away from the polling booths in droves. This rift within the party is their biggest problem, and the biggest headache for any Tory leader.

I suspect this won't be a popular view but I believe that Michael Portillo, chastened and re-invented after his 1997 humiliation, was their last best chance. If we'd had his intellectual commitment to sound money combined with a more humanitarian approach than Thatcher's, the UK would now be in a much stronger position. Sadly, his chances were scuppered by those admissions of 'youthful indiscretions' and so we've had Labour control-freakery, easy money and 'no more boom and bust' sound-bites. Oops.

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